Revising the Pledge of Allegiance: From Socialist to Libertarian

[Weston White]

Regarding the recent Pledge of Allegiance thread, I thought it would be an interesting exercise to see if we could conceive a new non-socialistic variation of the pledge that would be more appealing. The current version is included below along with my own revisions:


Original: “I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”


Revision #1: I pledge allegiance to the unalienable fundaments of the United States of America and to the Republic upon which we stand, one Nation under virtuous Divinity, with liberty and justice for all humankind.

Revision #2: I pledge allegiance to the unalienable fundaments of the United States of America and to the Republic upon which we stand, one Nation under Divinity and virtue, with liberty and justice for all humankind.

Revision #3: I pledge allegiance to the original intent of the United States of America and to the Republic upon which we stand, one Nation under Divinity and virtue, with liberty and justice for all humankind.

Revision #4: I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America and to the Republic upon which it stands, one Nation under Divinity and virtue, with liberty and justice for all humankind.

Revision #5: I pledge allegiance to the unalienable principles of the United States of America and to the strict Republic upon which we veraciously stand, one Nation under virtuous Divinity, with indissoluble liberty and justice in equality for all humankind.

 

[TruckinMike]

No fed pledge for me -- of any kind. However, I might consider a statement of individual liberty.

" I hereby acknowledge the death. suffering, and horror unleashed on mankind by all governments of the world, understanding this to be a fundamental truth, I will fight all government scum for the rest of my days in order to bring about individual liberty to me, my family, and my friends. And Bellamy, you can kiss my hairy ass from your stinkin' grave!"

TMike

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

You're just replacing "flag" with buzzwords and platitudes. The fundamental issue with the Pledge, the call to collectivism and fealty to the State, is completely intact in your "revisions."

 

[PSYOP]

You're just replacing "flag" with buzzwords and platitudes. The fundamental issue with the Pledge, the call to collectivism and fealty to the State, is completely intact in your "revisions."

Well not everyone is an anarchist like you.

 

[pcosmar]

No need to revise it.. simply reject it. On principle.

I pledge no allegiance but to God.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Well not everyone is an anarchist like you.

Peter Joseph type anarchists seem pretty culty to me.

 

[PSYOP]

Peter Joseph type anarchists seem pretty culty to me.

I will say his idea of a resource-based economy has merit. At least, in my opinion.

 

[SkepticalMetal]

Sorry, but whenever you pledge yourself "to the republic upon which it stands, one Nation under Divinity and virtue" than that's collectivism, plain and simple.

Honestly, why is it that so many people here are crazy for "republics?" Fascist Italy = Italian Social Republic. USSR = Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The Roman Republic went on the high road to becoming the Roman Empire, which it easily did.

You can chant in unison that these weren't real republics all day long, and it still won't change the fact that they were indeed republics that taxed their people (theft) and waged numerous wars (slavery through "conscription" and mass murder). This is why I see no difference in "restore the republic" and "restore the democracy," or whatever. Both of them suck by default as both of them are statist.

 

[SkepticalMetal]

Peter Joseph type anarchists seem pretty culty to me.

Peter Joseph = NOT an anarchist.

 

[fisharmor]

Revision #4: I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America and to the Republic upon which it stands, one Nation under Divinity and virtue, with liberty and justice for all humankind.

I'd prefer
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it defines, a federation of sovereign states, with true liberty and justice for all, irrespective of citizenship.

 

[asurfaholic]

On the subject of pledging allegiance, when you are making your vows at your wedding, that in essence is pledging allegiance to your wife, right?

So why is the divorce rate so high? If we (collectivism at its finest) as a nation can't keep our vows to our own wives, then what is the point of a pledge to the govt, or some form of government?

Why don't (we) stop worrying with this nonsense and start fixing our individual homes, and fireproofing our marriages?

This is a bit of an off topic rant, but this whole pledging issue just triggers the above ranting....

 

[mczerone]

I pledge allegiance to living my best life, to encouraging all people to live theirs, to refraining from aggression against all, and to the philosophy from which these ideals derive, for liberty, prosperity, and justice for all.

 

[Sola_Fide]

No one should pledge allegiance to any government. Allegiance is an act of worship, and no one should worship the idol of government.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Ah...hem...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government.

Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; all experience has shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, evinces a design to reduce the people to absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

 

[osan]

Well not everyone is an anarchist like you.

Autodiathist. see: http://freedomisobvious.blogspot.com/2012/12/autodiathism.html

 

[osan]

Peter Joseph type anarchists seem pretty culty to me.

An ANARCHIST? He's a repackaged communist. Pig with new lipstick.

Sorry to burst the bubble.

 

[SkepticalMetal]

An ANARCHIST? He's a repackaged communist. Pig with new lipstick.

Sorry to burst the bubble.

No kidding. I guess these resources he talks about that the economy will be based on will just drop out of the sky like the monolith from 2001: A Space Odyssey, in the same league as Karl Marx's "productive forces."

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Sorry, but whenever you pledge yourself "to the republic upon which it stands, one Nation under Divinity and virtue" than that's collectivism, plain and simple.

Honestly, why is it that so many people here are crazy for "republics?" Fascist Italy = Italian Social Republic. USSR = Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The Roman Republic went on the high road to becoming the Roman Empire, which it easily did.

You can chant in unison that these weren't real republics all day long, and it still won't change the fact that they were indeed republics that taxed their people (theft) and waged numerous wars (slavery through "conscription" and mass murder). This is why I see no difference in "restore the republic" and "restore the democracy," or whatever. Both of them suck by default as both of them are statist.

+mega rep

 

[Weston White]

Well, this thread really wasn’t intended for a debate over the various forms of government or to wage a supportive debate for the cause of anarchism. It is intended for what we are as a nation, as fact, and to be proudly supportive of that.

China, USSR, etc. those are not strict republics, they are communist regimes or oligarchs, existing as police states that function purely by their military rule. Rome did well under its republic that is until it killed itself off by spreading throughout as an empire under despotism.

Unlike those nations former, America upholds core values. Its citizens possess indissoluble rights that are and remain unfixed to the conveniences or motivations of our own system of government or its appendages. American’s individually possess their natural right of self-preservation, to resist oppression and tyranny in all of its degrees, to vindicate themselves through judicial due process or by seeking to redress their grievances, and lastly to use arms in the defense of their rights.

 

[Weston White]

Here is a more peppy revision: I pledge allegiance to the unalienable principles of the United States of America and to the strict Republic upon which we veraciously stand, one Nation under virtuous Divinity, with indissoluble liberty and justice in equality for all humankind.