*READ THIS* The Whole Story So Far

[liberty_Forever]

I would like some official confirmation as well; Fox must be stuck in a bind now. Their silence is completely irresponsible in either case. An AP wire was issued claiming they are holding a debate. Many phone calls to the network have confirmed there was a forum which was planned. Fox needs to issue a statement. Furthermore, the AP needs to verify their Dec 27th wire, or else they must retract it and apologize.

 

[parke]

I see it like this..

Everyone prepare for battle with FOX. If we prepare while we are pissed.. imagine what we can do if FOX starts getting loopy.

I dont trust FOX. I dont like FOX. We need to stay on our toes and prepare a battle plan in case FOX tries to screw us.

We can:

1. At our local levels, ask our meetups to get contacts at local FOX stations.

2. Find your local advertisers with FOX television and radio.
a. Tell them what FOX is up to and ask for support.

If Fox lies, is unfair or slanders RP..

We fire.

 

[jenninlouisiana]

Yeah, I mean that's the problem. There still is no *official* word either way. We have people cancelling their directv service, etc, lol... and I mean.. what is the chance this is mostly a huge misunerstanding?

I'm inclined to believe Fox is the spawn of the devil, but with all the lack of information, ESPECIALLY by NH GOP, this is all still confusing.

 

[sillvergirl]

I just found this.... I don't know if it is true or not , but someone needs to find out soon , one way or the other....


ELECTION 2008
Ron Paul excluded from debate? Not exactly
Candidate claims Fox is afraid of him, but forum canceled

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Posted: December 30, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern



© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com



Ron Paul
WASHINGTON – Ron Paul is steamed about being excluded from a New Hampshire debate scheduled to be televised by Fox News.

"They are scared of me and don't want my message to get out, but it will," Paul said of Fox News Network. "They are propagandists for this war and I challenge them on the notion that they are conservative."

The challenge got some attention on a slow Internet news day yesterday, with many websites still carrying the story. However, not all is what it appears.

There is no debate.

No one is invited.

It was canceled.

Somehow, Ron Paul missed the memo.


There is no New Hampshire GOP presidential debate scheduled for Jan. 6. The event was officially canceled three weeks ago. Ron Paul was, indeed, invited, but never committed to attending before the event was canceled because of the close proximity with the ABC event.

 

[GR4RonPaul]

Does it really matter?

Every debate Paul has been in sponsored by Fox, they have treated him terribly. We, the supporters, have managed to build the support REGARDLESS of the media for months and months now. In some states, even REGARDLESS of official campaign support.

Ron Paul has been "excluded" all along, even when he was there. We have 4 days until the Iowa Caucus, 9 days till the NH primaries...

Isn't there a whole slew of more important things to worry about than whether Fox News is going to make a fool of themselves? Because that is exactly what will happen if they exclude Ron Paul from a televised forum. Spend a little bit of effort making sure that people are aware of what Fox is doing, but if you have the time and energy to spare on something like this, please spend it on getting votes for Ron Paul.

A 'debate' only offers an unmeasurable effect on voters.

At this point we don't need Fox and we never had them to begin with.

Please, I implore people to keep themselves from being distracted by this. I keep seeing people that are hardly even active in their meetup groups jumping up and down and chomping at the bit over stuff like this, but ask them to come out and help put literature in people's hands and they are silent.

I know some are more attracted to the negative 'fight' part of this, but I argue that it is BECAUSE of the negativity of the other campaigns that Ron Paul is gaining votes. We MUST remain positive and do what we have been doing all along. And that is make lemonade when handed lemons.

 

[brunner]

Yeah, I mean that's the problem. There still is no *official* word either way. We have people cancelling their directv service, etc, lol... and I mean.. what is the chance this is mostly a huge misunerstanding?

I'm inclined to believe Fox is the spawn of the devil, but with all the lack of information, ESPECIALLY by NH GOP, this is all still confusing.

There are few details because plans to hold the debate were made so recently. The details are still being hammered out, and I don't want to post any rumors about details until I have official confirmation for them. I'm waiting on calls from the campaign right now, and I'll pass along any official information I receive.

 

[Maria]

Every debate Paul has been in sponsored by Fox, they have treated him terribly. We, the supporters, have managed to build the support REGARDLESS of the media for months and months now. In some states, even REGARDLESS of official campaign support.

Ron Paul has been "excluded" all along, even when he was there. We have 4 days until the Iowa Caucus, 9 days till the NH primaries...

Isn't there a whole slew of more important things to worry about than whether Fox News is going to make a fool of themselves? Because that is exactly what will happen if they exclude Ron Paul from a televised forum. Spend a little bit of effort making sure that people are aware of what Fox is doing, but if you have the time and energy to spare on something like this, please spend it on getting votes for Ron Paul.

A 'debate' only offers an unmeasurable effect on voters.

At this point we don't need Fox and we never had them to begin with.

Please, I implore people to keep themselves from being distracted by this. I keep seeing people that are hardly even active in their meetup groups jumping up and down and chomping at the bit over stuff like this, but ask them to come out and help put literature in people's hands and they are silent.

I know some are more attracted to the negative 'fight' part of this, but I argue that it is BECAUSE of the negativity of the other campaigns that Ron Paul is gaining votes. We MUST remain positive and do what we have been doing all along. And that is make lemonade when handed lemons.

I second that!

 

[liberty_Forever]

Please listen close: the WorldNetDaily article references no sources. You don't have to be a journalist to detect the shrill and mocking tone. Apparently, WorldNet got their queue from the Nolan Chart article by William Westmiller, and so claimed Ron Paul "didn't get the memo." Well, I hate to break it to you WorldNetDaily, but the memo was an AP NEWS RELEASE, yet to be retracted.

The Nolan Chart article is AT BEST careless. They did not bother to check any telephone facts until well into their "updates". Westmiller posted comments saying that "Chris Brunner" (of Lew Rockwell Media) had confirmed his story, which IS NOT TRUE. Brunner actually called these Nolan Chart guys, specifically Westmiller, last night, and raised his objections to the article. Not only did Westmiller publish the article with incomplete information late last night, he had the either the carelessness or audacity to post under "Update5" that Chris Brunner had endorsed the article. This is nonsense. Brunner has maintained that the Nolan Chart article was inconsistent. A claim which is validated by the numerous 'updates' which seem to write themselves along the way.

As of late this morning Nolan Chart had removed their outrageous claim of Brunner's endorsement. Luckily, we have screenshots.

http://www.datafilehost.com/download.php?file=84989dbd

We also have screenshots various other information which I will not mention: let this be a warning to the media conglomerates who wish to manipulate the open discourse of the Internet.

I would be wary of trusting Westmiller's Nolan Chart article as a source...the article may have new information, and some tenuous theories, but it does not change the fact the AP Wire that was released has not yet been retracted. Nor does it change the fact Fox has issued no public statement despite a deluge of media inquiries. Or the statements from the NH GOP. So take the Nolan Chart article as you will, but please take it with a grain of salt, and remember we should be asking questions to AP and Fox, who are at the center of this vortex.

The fact of the matter is the AP needs to reassess their Dec 27th wire, and Fox needs to respond to the NUMEROUS inquiries which have been made to them from the media and the public. Both AP and Fox have already lost serious credibility in my view, due to their silence in this ongoing controversy (since last Thursday night at 8PM EST).

 

[animator]

looks like they switched the debate from the 6th to the 10th.

 

[brunner]

looks like they switched the debate from the 6th to the 10th.

Okay, let's not start with new rumors. You have no idea what kind of effort it takes to squelch them, even when they're completely unsubstantiated... I haven't slept more than a few hours in days.

If you want to post a link to something, that's fine, please don't make statements like this without citing specifically what you're talking about.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

I like the Baltimore Sun News coverage...

more information and the multiple calls to FAUX (fox) unansered or returned.

Baltimore Sun picks up the whole story to this point: http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news..._outfoxed.html

GOOD investigative TIMELINE Thread .

Nice job

PS: switching to Jan 10th debate... No Sense

 

[jenninlouisiana]

There are few details because plans to hold the debate were made so recently. The details are still being hammered out, and I don't want to post any rumors about details until I have official confirmation for them. I'm waiting on calls from the campaign right now, and I'll pass along any official information I receive.

Thanks so much. I'll wait anxiously for you to confirm the situation.

 

[jblosser]

Just got through to the Paul family member who I was talking to all weekend who was with them when they were trying to sort this out. He was sitting by Ron while I talked to him. He confirms (again) that they spoke directly to the NH GOP before issuing that press release, and the NH GOP confirmed there was an event scheduled on the 6th that Fox was intending to carry and that 5 invitations went out to candidates, but Ron Paul was excluded.

He's now trying to call those people to get place/time/etc. information and I'll post that if he gets it.

He also reiterates that THEY NEED MORE PEOPLE IN NH REGARDLESS, we need more boots on the ground there if we want to win. If you're waiting to buy a plane ticket on this info, buy the ticket and canvas there regardless.

 

[liberty_Forever]

See you in NH!

Iowa folks, great work!

 

[jenninlouisiana]

Also ask them if this is a fundraiser for the NH GOP, because that would explain (in a bad way) the reluctance of the GOP to denounce or distance themselves from this.

 

[Ara825]

I am EXTREMELY DISTURBED at all the "in the know" posters on this thread. They have JUST joined the forums.

Sandra, I just joined the forum a few weeks ago because that is when I first discovered it was here. I wasn't aware that new people weren't welcome....I apologize for intruding where I'm not welcome.

Perhaps I can find another Ron Paul forum where people who are new supporters feel like they can be a part of the movement. I won't waste anymore bandwidth here posting since a newbie can't be a sincere supporter.

 

[Birdlady]

Sandra, I just joined the forum a few weeks ago because that is when I first discovered it was here. I wasn't aware that new people weren't welcome....I apologize for intruding where I'm not welcome.

Perhaps I can find another Ron Paul forum where people who are new supporters feel like they can be a part of the movement. I won't waste anymore bandwidth here posting since a newbie can't be a sincere supporter.

You are welcomed here. Don't let one person get you upset. I advise just putting them on your ignore list rather than leave the forum.

 

[fedup100]

Sandra, I just joined the forum a few weeks ago because that is when I first discovered it was here. I wasn't aware that new people weren't welcome....I apologize for intruding where I'm not welcome.

Perhaps I can find another Ron Paul forum where people who are new supporters feel like they can be a part of the movement. I won't waste anymore bandwidth here posting since a newbie can't be a sincere supporter.

You know you are welcome. I assume you are here because you love Dr. Paul's message. You must understand we are winning in a big way right now and because of that, the forum is under attack by the enemy.

Please just hang in here ad watch how this lines out. the only thing you need to remember is without Paul, our country is finished.

 

[liberty_Forever]

Amen to that. Let's get him in office before the economy really goes off the rails.

 

[pacelli]

Sandra, I just joined the forum a few weeks ago because that is when I first discovered it was here. I wasn't aware that new people weren't welcome....I apologize for intruding where I'm not welcome.

Perhaps I can find another Ron Paul forum where people who are new supporters feel like they can be a part of the movement. I won't waste anymore bandwidth here posting since a newbie can't be a sincere supporter.

Welcome to the Ron Paul Forums, most of us are glad to have you