Rand vs Trump Poll. Who do these forums support?

[GunnyFreedom]

In the context we are discussing, it IS an endorsement of values if Rand refuses to endorse the nominee if it is Trump but will endorse if it is Jeb Bush.

The only values involved in political endorsements, is the value of political capital.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

A lot of people criticized Alex Jones, yet this election season revealed that he is a lot more connected to political reality than many of his critics here.

Sometimes, I too wonder what it would be like to live in a meticulously constructed fantasy world. It must be a lot less stressful, having the ability to just warp your perception or reality to whatever pleases you. And then I remember, I will always prefer hard truths over pleasant lies and then I no longer want to live in your world.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Other-Vermin Supreme FTW!!

 

[kahless]

The only values involved in political endorsements, is the value of political capital.

You have now completely contradicted yourself since Rand would have less political capital if he refuses to endorse Trump as the nominee.

 

[jj-]

You have now completely contradicted yourself since Rand would have less political capital if he refuses to endorse Trump as the nominee.

Typical of Gunny. Once pointed out, his standard reaction is pretend it didn't happen and change the topic.

 

[Rad]

Wow 3 people are for Trump and all I see is Trump stuff. What is the other 66 out of this 69 doing?

 

[DisneyFan]

A lot of people criticized Alex Jones, yet this election season revealed that he is a lot more connected to political reality than many of his critics here.

Can you be more specific?

How has that been revealed this season?

 

[acptulsa]

Wow 3 people are for Trump and all I see is Trump stuff. What is the other 66 out of this 69 doing?

Earning an honest living and doing something more productive than being the internet version of a telemarketer.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

Can you be more specific?

How has that been revealed this season?

...you read my mind, disney fan!!...

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Interesting, in what way? What happens now if no one goes into the convention with enough delegates to win outright?

That's when the candidates would get together and trade delegates, so it does still allow SOME brokering, but not if there is a clear winner like it could have in the past.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

You have now completely contradicted yourself since Rand would have less political capital if he refuses to endorse Trump as the nominee.

Pretty sure the only thing I have said about endorsements in the last...oohh 8 years or so, is that endorsements don't matter. Quote me where I said Rand should or shouldn't do any thing whatever re endorsements. I'll be waiting.

 

[Dianne]

Rand, obviously.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Typical of Gunny. Once pointed out, his standard reaction is pretend it didn't happen and change the topic.

So, since you think I said that Rand should promise to endorse any nominee except Trump, I am sure you can quote my post where I said it, right?

 

[acptulsa]

So, since you think I said that Rand should promise to endorse any nominee except Trump, I am sure you can quote my post where I said it, right?

You expect him to lose an argument with you when he can just build a straw man and kick the shit out of it?

That definitely doesn't seem to be his style.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

You expect him to lose an argument with you when he can just build a straw man and kick the shit out of it?

That definitely doesn't seem to be his style.

He seems to think that I am a hypocrite because he believes that I recommended that Rand Paul should promise to endorse any nominee except Trump. Honestly I don't GAF whether he thinks he wins or loses, I just want to see what kind of batshirt nonsense he comes up with to try and justify his attack.

 

[Dianne]

Anyone who voted trump should get kicked. After all, this is the Paul forum. I'm sure there are dozens of trump forums somewhere, for trump fans to follow. Leave the Paulites alone.

 

[kahless]

Rand should pledge to support the Republican nominee...unless it's Donald Trump! That'll make some news right there!

If he did that then Rand would be considered just another establishment shill that is intent on supporting the planned coronation of Jeb Bush.

I do not know of any principle-centered member of the liberty movement, anywhere in America, who gives a damn about endorsements. I do not understand all of this angst over Paul endorsements. Establishmentarian voters vote according to endorsements, liberty movement activists do NOT. Establishmentarian voters wouldn't vote for a Paul if hell froze over. There are non-liberty independants who would vote for Rand, but only 5% of THOSE pay attention to endorsements either.

So you end up (doing the math) with something like only 3% of those who support Rand Paul who would even be influenced by an endorsement anyway. If Rand made 20%, that's 3% OF 20%, or roughly six tenths of one percent of the primary electorate, being two tenths of one percent of the general electorate, who would even bother to consider the endorsement, much less actually follow it. If half of those who consider the endorsement followed it, that would make one tenth of one percent of the vote on election day.

Why in the actual fk do people get so bent out of shape over 0.1% of the vote? That translates to one half of one electoral college vote. Seriously people.

In the context we are discussing, it IS an endorsement of values if Rand refuses to endorse the nominee if it is Trump but will endorse if it is Jeb Bush.

The only values involved in political endorsements, is the value of political capital.

You have now completely contradicted yourself since Rand would have less political capital if he refuses to endorse Trump as the nominee.

Pretty sure the only thing I have said about endorsements in the last...oohh 8 years or so, is that endorsements don't matter. Quote me where I said Rand should or shouldn't do any thing whatever re endorsements. I'll be waiting.

The entire context of the discussion is if Rand made it an issue by endorsing Bush. You are saying "seriously people" it does not matter and then follow-up that it's value is in political capital. So which is it, since Rand would not have any political capital if Trump won the election.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

You have now completely contradicted yourself since Rand would have less political capital if he refuses to endorse Trump as the nominee.

The entire context of the discussion is if Rand made it an issue by endorsing Bush. You are saying "seriously people" it does not matter and then follow-up that it's value is in political capital. So which is it, since Rand would not have any political capital if Trump won the election.

I said endorsements do not matter. That's all I've ever said, and I said it again here. I even said it in plain English. What part of "endorsements are irrelevant" do you not understand?

 

[CPUd]

This is one of the guys involved in the delegate challenges in 2012:





And another who was involved in the Rules Committee fights:

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Apparently liking Trump also degrades the language centers of the brain along with the reason. I wonder if motor skills are impaired too? Maybe Trump is like that brain eating amoeba they keep finding in New Orleans?