Rand vs Trump Poll. Who do these forums support?

[GunnyFreedom]

I'll be waiting for that apology which I am sure is soon to come...

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I am sure that the apologies for intentionally misrepresenting my position and lying about what I have said/posted will be forthcoming, any minute now.

 

[kahless]

I said endorsements do not matter. That's all I've ever said, and I said it again here. I even said it in plain English. What part of "endorsements are irrelevant" do you not understand?

That was not the hypothetical scenario that DevilsAdvocate posted.

Rand should pledge to support the Republican nominee...unless it's Donald Trump! That'll make some news right there!

If Rand was going to make it an issue then it would matter, you say it does not....

The only values involved in political endorsements, is the value of political capital.

But of course it does by your own quote for the value of "political capital" for which Rand would have "none" if Trump won the election.

 

[klamath]

The entire context of the discussion is if Rand made it an issue by endorsing Bush. You are saying "seriously people" it does not matter and then follow-up that it's value is in political capital. So which is it, since Rand would not have any political capital if Trump won the election.

Gunny never said Rand should endorse anybody but Trump that you attributed to him. DevilAdvacate did. You flat out made a misquote by mistake or you are a flat out liar. The context discussion is about whether you support Rand or Trump not endorsements. Gunny just gave his opinion on endorsements after multiple people derailed the thread in multiple different directions.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

That was not the hypothetical scenario that DevilsAdvocate posted.

You seem to be confused. My name is GunnyFreedom. That is spelled g u n n y f r e e d o m. The poster DevilsAdvocate is a different person altogether, he spells his name d e v i l s a d v o c a t e. These two screen names do not even share a single pair of letters.

If Rand was going to make it an issue then it would matter, you say it does not....

But of course it does by your own quote for the value of "political capital" for which Rand would have "none" if Trump won the election.

You seem to be under the impression that Rand would like to curry favor with Trump. What on earth is giving you that impression, and what in the world yo you think that has to do with me?

You accused me of saying/believing something that I do not. I demanded a quote, and all you've got is a different poster saying one thing, and then me saying endorsements don't matter.

You lied about me in a desperate attempt to disparage my name and character.

I am still waiting for that apology.

Of course by doubling down on your lies about me you are really just demonstrating the type of character which gets led off into Trumpland by the Pied Trumpster.

 

[kahless]

Apparently some Rand supporters when they think about Trump it degrades the language centers of the brain along with the reason. I wonder if motor skills are impaired too? Maybe Trump is like that brain eating amoeba they keep finding in New Orleans?

I fixed that quote for you. The name for your condition I believe is "Trump Paranoid Delusional Disorder Syndrome" or TPDDS.

Your hypocrisy really surprises me. This forum has members blatantly intentionally misrepresenting many of Rand and Ron's political positions. Yet not a peep from you.
There are members here daily that have issues with some of Rand's policies or mention something they like about another candidates policies that is similar to Rands and you add to the discussion.

But someone mentions something they like about Trump's immigration policy you lose all sense of proportion and reality.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I fixed that quote for you. The name for your condition I believe is "Trump Paranoid Delusional Disorder Syndrome" or TPDDS.

Your hypocrisy really surprises me. This forum has members blatantly intentionally misrepresenting many of Rand and Ron's political positions. Yet not a peep from you.
There are members here daily that have issues with some of Rand's policies or mention something they like about another candidates policies that is similar to Rands and you add to the discussion.

But someone mentions something they like about Trump's immigration policy you lose all sense of proportion and reality.

I'm not the one just making crap up and lying about people to justify my own twisted accusations, that would be you. If supporting trump turns people into liars and deceivers who bear false witness against others to try and make themselves look good, then I want none of it.

So are you going to apologize for lying about me? Yes or no?

 

[klamath]

Actually Gunny the mucho mucho man Trump appealed to the primitive brain centers of tribal units and cerebral cortexes switched off. Did you read about the people at the Iowa state fair fawning over him when he got off of his helicopter, begging him to save them!

 

[kahless]

Gunny never said Rand should endorse anybody but Trump that you attributed to him. DevilAdvacate did. You flat out made a misquote by mistake or you are a flat out liar. The context discussion is about whether you support Rand or Trump not endorsements. Gunny just gave his opinion on endorsements after multiple people derailed the thread in multiple different directions.

The thread history and context is all there for everyone to read and you know it. Gunny brought this on himself by being an ass at any mention of Trump. The question is why do you have your head so far up Gunnys ass?

You seem to be confused. My name is GunnyFreedom. That is spelled g u n n y f r e e d o m. The poster DevilsAdvocate is a different person altogether, he spells his name d e v i l s a d v o c a t e. These two screen names do not even share a single pair of letters.

You need glasses or something? Follow the discussion, DevilsAdvocate = OP in the context of the discussion about endorsements, I replied, you replied. Get a grip.

You seem to be under the impression that Rand would like to curry favor with Trump. What on earth is giving you that impression, and what in the world yo you think that has to do with me?

By your own words endorsements = political capital.

You accused me of saying/believing something that I do not. I demanded a quote, and all you've got is a different poster saying one thing, and then me saying endorsements don't matter.

I pulled your two quotes several times in this discussion. First quote = endorsements don't matter, second quote = endorsements = political capital.

You lied about me in a desperate attempt to disparage my name and character.

I am still waiting for that apology.

wtf take a chill, you are being paranoid. I am still waiting for that apology.

Of course by doubling down on your lies about me you are really just demonstrating the type of character which gets led off into Trumpland by the Pied Trumpster.

If you are behaving like this now how are you going to handle it if Trump wins the nomination.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Actually Gunny the mucho mucho man Trump appealed to the primitive brain centers of tribal units and cerebral cortexes switched off. Did you read about the people at the Iowa state fair fawning over him when he got off of his helicopter, begging him to save them!

LOL I saw where people were fawning over him letting them ride in his helicopter, while criticizing Paul for literally restoring sight to the blind.

I think we are starting to see a pattern here. Ron Paul was booed for citing the Golden Rule, and Rand Paul is criticized for restoring sight to the blind. I wonder how all that's gonna go down at the Bema Seat?

It's pretty clear by now that Trump does not appeal to the rational centers. Given his history with women I guess it makes sense that Trump appeals to the gonads instead of the brain.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

The thread history and context is all there for everyone to read and you know it. Gunny brought this on himself by being an ass at any mention of Trump. The question is why do you have your head so far up Gunnys ass?



You need glasses or something? Follow the discussion, DevilsAdvocate = OP in the context of the discussion about endorsements, I replied, you replied. Get a grip.



By your own words endorsements = political capital.



I pulled your two quotes several times in this discussion. First quote = endorsements don't matter, second quote = endorsements = political capital.



wtf take a chill, you are being paranoid. I am still waiting for that apology.



If you are behaving like this now how are you going to handle it if Trump wins the nomination.

It's not that hard to decide. You have two options.

1) Yes, I misrepresented your position, and I apologize; or

2) No, fuck you, I said what I said and I meant it.

Pick one. And let the world know exactly what kind of people you Trumpsters are.

 

[kahless]

It's not that hard to decide. You have two options.

1) Yes, I misrepresented your position, and I apologize; or

2) No, fuck you, I said what I said and I meant it.

Pick one. And let the world know exactly what kind of people you Trumpsters are.

1. How have you come to the conclusion I am a Trump supporter when I have made no statement of such in any of my posts?

2. What position of yours did I misrepresent? I quoted both of your posts on endorsements in full.

 

[klamath]

The thread history and context is all there for everyone to read and you know it. Gunny brought this on himself by being an ass at any mention of Trump. The question is why do you have your head so far up Gunnys ass?



You need glasses or something? Follow the discussion, DevilsAdvocate = OP in the context of the discussion about endorsements, I replied, you replied. Get a grip.



By your own words endorsements = political capital.



I pulled your two quotes several times in this discussion. First quote = endorsements don't matter, second quote = endorsements = political capital.



wtf take a chill, you are being paranoid. I am still waiting for that apology.



If you are behaving like this now how are you going to handle it if Trump wins the nomination.

The OP is me, not devilsadvacate. He was just many that were derailing the thread. Yes I read the whole thread since I started it and determined you were wrong. The question about 95% of us want to know why you have you head so far up Trumps ass?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

1. How have you come to the conclusion I am a Trump supporter when I have made no statement of such in any of my posts?

2. What position of yours did I misrepresent? I quoted both of your posts on endorsements in full.

Which did not even remotely resemble your claim about me.

It's not that hard to decide. You have two options.

1) Yes, I misrepresented your position, and I apologize; or

2) No, fuck you, I said what I said and I meant it.

Pick one. And let the world know exactly what kind of people you Trumpsters are.

 

[kahless]

The OP is me, not devilsadvacate. He was just many that were derailing the thread. Yes I read the whole thread since I started it and determined you were wrong. The question about 95% of us want to know why you have you head so far up Trumps ass?

This is the history of the conversation. For the sake of the endorsements conversation the OP IS DevilsAdvocate.

Rand should pledge to support the Republican nominee...unless it's Donald Trump! That'll make some news right there!

If he did that then Rand would be considered just another establishment shill that is intent on supporting the planned coronation of Jeb Bush.

I do not know of any principle-centered member of the liberty movement, anywhere in America, who gives a damn about endorsements. I do not understand all of this angst over Paul endorsements. Establishmentarian voters vote according to endorsements, liberty movement activists do NOT. Establishmentarian voters wouldn't vote for a Paul if hell froze over. There are non-liberty independants who would vote for Rand, but only 5% of THOSE pay attention to endorsements either.

So you end up (doing the math) with something like only 3% of those who support Rand Paul who would even be influenced by an endorsement anyway. If Rand made 20%, that's 3% OF 20%, or roughly six tenths of one percent of the primary electorate, being two tenths of one percent of the general electorate, who would even bother to consider the endorsement, much less actually follow it. If half of those who consider the endorsement followed it, that would make one tenth of one percent of the vote on election day.

Why in the actual fk do people get so bent out of shape over 0.1% of the vote? That translates to one half of one electoral college vote. Seriously people.

In the context we are discussing, it IS an endorsement of values if Rand refuses to endorse the nominee if it is Trump but will endorse if it is Jeb Bush.

The only values involved in political endorsements, is the value of political capital.

You have now completely contradicted yourself since Rand would have less political capital if he refuses to endorse Trump as the nominee.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

This is the history of the conversation. For the sake of the endorsements conversation the OP IS DevilsAdvocate.

It's not that hard to decide. You have two options.

1) Yes, I misrepresented your position, and I apologize; or

2) No, fuck you, I said what I said and I meant it.

Pick one. And let the world know exactly what kind of people you Trumpsters are.

Pick one. Why can't you pick one? Is it because you know you are wrong and therefore committing to #2 will damage your credibility?

 

[kahless]

Which did not even remotely resemble your claim about me.

It's not that hard to decide. You have two options.

1) Yes, I misrepresented your position, and I apologize; or

2) No, fuck you, I said what I said and I meant it.

Pick one. And let the world know exactly what kind of people you Trumpsters are.

1. What position did I misrepresent? Your freaking out just because I said you contradicted yourself over endorsements. It is the way I see it since you say on one hand endorsements do not matter and on the other they matter for political capital. That is a contradiction.

2. How have you come to the conclusion I am a Trump supporter when I have made no statement of such in any of my posts?

3. Where is my apology?

 

[acptulsa]

...will damage your credibility?

LOL

His what?

I thought the whole notion behind autopsies was that you can't damage the dead.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

LOL

His what?

I thought the whole notion behind autopsies was that you can't damage the dead.

LOL good point

 

[klamath]

This is the history of the conversation. For the sake of the endorsements conversation the OP IS DevilsAdvocate.

Somebody mentioned the word endorsements and Gunny gave his opinion on political endorsements. Gunny's comments don't necessarily have to be following the already derailed topic. You can't try and claim "Context of the discussion" when the real context of the discussion has been derailed multiple different times in multiple different directions. Gunny's comments would have been a derail of a derail.