Rand vs Trump Poll. Who do these forums support?

[GunnyFreedom]

1. What position did I misrepresent? Your freaking out just because I said you contradicted yourself over endorsements. It is the way I see it since you say on one hand endorsements do not matter and on the other they matter for political capital. That is a contradiction.

I despise liars, and people who lie about me in an effort to discredit me I consider worth less than the dog shyt I scrape off my shoe before coming into the house.

2. How have you come to the conclusion I am a Trump supporter when I have made no statement of such in any of my posts?

3. Where is my apology?

I have accused you of being a Trump supporter.

I said what I meant and I meant what I said.

^^ See it's really not that hard.

I am perfectly fine with the forums knowing that I have called you a Trump supporter and I will not apologize for it.

Are you okay with telling the forums that I give a shit about Rand's endorsements insinuating that I am a hypocrite, and not apologizing for it?

You see, I did not hesitate to confirm that I consider you a Trump supporter, and I did not hesitate to confirm that I will not apologize for holding that opinion. I am perfectly fine with the judgement of the forums on that matter.

Why are still dancing around the question? Don't you have the guts to answer?

1) Yes, I misrepresented your position, and I apologize; or

2) No, fuck you, I said what I said and I meant it.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I'll be waiting for that apology which I am sure is soon to come...

Probably about the time that you apologize for this.

Apparently liking Trump also degrades the language centers of the brain along with the reason. I wonder if motor skills are impaired too? Maybe Trump is like that brain eating amoeba they keep finding in New Orleans?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Somebody mentioned the word endorsements and Gunny gave his opinion on political endorsements. Gunny's comments don't necessarily have to be following the already derailed topic. You can't try and claim "Context of the discussion" when the real context of the discussion has been derailed multiple different times in multiple different directions. Gunny's comments would have been a derail of a derail.

This x 1000. But I think you are wasting your breath. He knows durn good and well that he misrepresented my position, he just doesn't care. He would rather be a liar and try to discredit anybody who opposes Trump, than to tell the truth and be secure in his own integrity. If he thought he was telling the truth then it wouldn't have been like trying to pull teeth to make him pick yes or no as to whether he would apologize to me. It would have been "no" and this whole rodeo would have ended. But he couldn't say no because he knows he's lying.

 

[jj-]

"the judgement of the forums" lol

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Probably about the time that you apologize for this.

I stand by that remark. Therefore I have no need to apologize for it. It is not possible to be rational, principled and support Trump. In order to support Trump, you must be irrational, unprincipled, or both.

 

[erowe1]

I despise liars, and people who lie about me in an effort to discredit me I consider worth less than the dog shyt I scrape off my shoe before coming into the house.



I have accused you of being a Trump supporter.

I said what I meant and I meant what I said.

^^ See it's really not that hard.

I am perfectly fine with the forums knowing that I have called you a Trump supporter and I will not apologize for it.

Are you okay with telling the forums that I give a shit about Rand's endorsements insinuating that I am a hypocrite, and not apologizing for it?

You see, I did not hesitate to confirm that I consider you a Trump supporter, and I did not hesitate to confirm that I will not apologize for holding that opinion. I am perfectly fine with the judgement of the forums on that matter.

Why are still dancing around the question? Don't you have the guts to answer?

1) Yes, I misrepresented your position, and I apologize; or

2) No, fuck you, I said what I said and I meant it.

Kahkless has done the same thing to me repeatedly. He clearly deliberately misrepresents my positions to the point that it's not possible to pretend it's a simple mistake, such as claiming I support La Raza. Correcting him won't matter. Even after you explicitly say that's not your position, he'll keep saying it is.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Kahkless has done the same thing to me repeatedly. He clearly deliberately misrepresents my positions to the point that it's not possible to pretend it's a simple mistake, such as claiming I support La Raza. Correcting him won't matter. Even after you explicitly say that's not your position, he'll keep saying it is.

Not surprised, I've dealt with this kind of sophistry before. I never expected him to actually admit that he was lying about me in an attempt to advance his own position, my main effort was make the mask slip a little more so nobody gets taken in by his dishonesty. Also, I wanted to see for myself if he genuinely believed the lies he was telling on me, or if he knew they were lies. If he was being honest, then he would have jumped on #2 "No I will not apologize" immediately instead of trying to spin up a justification for his lies. That tells me that he is fully aware that he is lying about me and he does not believe what he is saying.

 

[kahless]

I despise liars, and people who lie about me in an effort to discredit me I consider worth less than the dog shyt I scrape off my shoe before coming into the house.

Why would you think I would try to discredit you? You are being paranoid.

Face it you are pissed off at me because you think I am a Trump supporter and screwed up trying to discredit what I posted.

Since again, what position did I misrepresent? You say on one hand endorsements do not matter and on the other they matter for political capital. That is a contradiction.
You want to change what you said in your reply to me that you were talking about something different then fine.

I have accused you of being a Trump supporter.

I said what I meant and I meant what I said.

^^ See it's really not that hard.

I am perfectly fine with the forums knowing that I have called you a Trump supporter and I will not apologize for it.

I have not claimed to be a Trump supporter. Why would you believe that?

Are you okay with telling the forums that I give a shit about Rand's endorsements insinuating that I am a hypocrite, and not apologizing for it?

You are being a dick to me and others here at the mention of Trump's name. I and others have been in these forums these last few days defending Rand and Ron's platform from those completely misrepresenting it. You are posting in these same threads but not a peep from you about those claiming Rand and Ron support open borders. Rather you attack me who is in here defending Rand.

You see, I did not hesitate to confirm that I consider you a Trump supporter, and I did not hesitate to confirm that I will not apologize for holding that opinion. I am perfectly fine with the judgement of the forums on that matter.

That says something more about your character than it does mine.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Hey guys, I'll give you another target, to get you off of Kahless' back.

I support Rand first, but if he doesn't make it, the way things stand right now, I will be voting for Trump. Why, you ask? I fully realize he is far from ideal and could be a total POS, but I *know* Bush will be. So, none of that for me. I also have eyes and know that if we don't do squat to stop the illegal invasion of our country and at the very least, swing the sucky trade deals more to our favor post haste, our nation is complete TOAST!! Now, I would prefer to just end all entitlements, first for the illegals and get us out of the UN, the WTO, the IMF and ALL of the trade deals from Nafta on up, but guess what, it ain't gonna happen anytime soon. I don't think we have much time left. So, even if Trump keeps the wars going and all the other crappy stuff, if he even did one positive thing, it would be one helluva lot better than the crap we have been getting for quite some time by both R and D establishment figures.

Attack at your leisure. I have a thick skin. Nor, do I give a shit what you think.

NOTE: All you guys having fits over anyone who doesn't just foam at the mouth about Trump, tell me, what are you doing posting here, when you could be dialing your little fingers off, assisting Rand's campaign? He has a calling program, you know. Don't you think that would be a better way to spend your time?

 

[kahless]

Kahkless has done the same thing to me repeatedly. He clearly deliberately misrepresents my positions to the point that it's not possible to pretend it's a simple mistake, such as claiming I support La Raza. Correcting him won't matter. Even after you explicitly say that's not your position, he'll keep saying it is.

Example of you misrepresenting Rand's policies:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...m-this-forum&p=5964251&viewfull=1#post5964251

For all intent and purposes Ron and Rand are for open borders.

 

[AuH20]

Hey guys, I'll give you another target, to get you off of Kahless' back.

I support Rand first, but if he doesn't make it, the way things stand right now, I will be voting for Trump. Why, you ask? I fully realize he is far from ideal and could be a total POS, but I *know* Bush will be. So, none of that for me. I also have eyes and know that if we don't do squat to stop the illegal invasion of our country and at the very least, swing the sucky trade deals more to our favor post haste, our nation is complete TOAST!! Now, I would prefer to just end all entitlements, first for the illegals and get us out of the UN, the WTO, the IMF and ALL of the trade deals from Nafta on up, but guess what, it ain't gonna happen anytime soon. I don't think we have much time left. So, even if Trump keeps the wars going and all the other crappy stuff, if he even did one positive thing, it would be one helluva lot better than the crap we have been getting for quite some time by both R and D establishment figures.

Attack at your leisure. I have a thick skin. Nor, do I give a shit what you think.

NOTE: All you guys having fits over anyone who doesn't just foam at the mouth about Trump, tell me, what are you doing posting here, when you could be dialing your little fingers off, assisting Rand's campaign? He has a calling program, you know. Don't you think that would be a better way to spend your time?

I voted Barr and Baldwin in the prior two elections, but I agree with you. Trump all the way, if Rand continues to flatline. Listening to the piggies on both sides squeal is music to my ears. It's already an established fact that the people will be screwed in some form or fashion, so we may as well as choose the pleasant poison.

 

[erowe1]

Example of you misrepresenting Rand's policies:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...m-this-forum&p=5964251&viewfull=1#post5964251

I don't see where I misrepresent their policies there. It's a true statement. For all intents and purposes they are for open borders (especially Ron). And, while I agree that that's a good example of you misrepresenting something I said, your La Raza claim, which you made repeatedly, even after I corrected you, was an even more obvious example.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Why would you think I would try to discredit you? You are being paranoid.

Face it you are pissed off at me because you think I am a Trump supporter and screwed up trying to discredit what I posted.

Since again, what position did I misrepresent? You say on one hand endorsements do not matter and on the other they matter for political capital. That is a contradiction.
You want to change what you said in your reply to me that you were talking about something different then fine.



I have not claimed to be a Trump supporter. Why would you believe that?



You are being a dick to me and others here at the mention of Trump's name. I and others have been in these forums these last few days defending Rand and Ron's platform from those completely misrepresenting it. You are posting in these same threads but not a peep from you about those claiming Rand and Ron support open borders. Rather you attack me who is in here defending Rand.



That says something more about your character than it does mine.

I'm not the one lying, that would be you. Now either apologize for lying about me or state that you will not apologize. I am holding you to the exact same standard that I am holding myself. I have stated openly without equivocation and without trying to 'justify' it that I consider you a Trump supporter and I make no apology for it. Your turn. Either apologize for lying about me, or state clearly and without equivocation or justification that you will not apologize.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I don't see where I misrepresent their policies there. It's a true statement. For all intents and purposes they are for open borders (especially Ron). And, while I agree that that's a good example of you misrepresenting something I said, your La Raza claim, which you made repeatedly, even after I corrected you, was an even more obvious example.

Liar liar, pants on fire.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I voted Barr and Baldwin in the prior two elections, but I agree with you. Trump all the way, if Rand continues to flatline. Listening to the piggies on both sides squeal is music to my ears. It's already an established fact that the people will be screwed in some form or fashion, so we may as well as choose the pleasant poison.

I am sure that will bring you great comfort when the Trump Squads are putting you on the cattle cars.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I don't see where I misrepresent their policies there. It's a true statement. For all intents and purposes they are for open borders (especially Ron). And, while I agree that that's a good example of you misrepresenting something I said, your La Raza claim, which you made repeatedly, even after I corrected you, was an even more obvious example.

Ron is not for open borders. One of his major talking point in 2012 was to bring the troops home and put them on the border. He only opposed building a monolithic wall across the border as he associated that with a police state ala East Germany.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I'm not the one lying, that would be you. Now either apologize for lying about me or state that you will not apologize. I am holding you to the exact same standard that I am holding myself. I have stated openly without equivocation and without trying to 'justify' it that I consider you a Trump supporter and I make no apology for it. Your turn. Either apologize for lying about me, or state clearly and without equivocation or justification that you will not apologize.

He said he wasn't.

Sounds like to me, you need to back off, at the very least.

Who do you think you are? Judge, jury and executioner?

 

[acptulsa]

I stand by that remark. Therefore I have no need to apologize for it. It is not possible to be rational, principled and support Trump. In order to support Trump, you must be irrational, unprincipled, or both.

You also have to be fine with the Democrat--be it Clinton, the little socialist or whomever--winning the general election.

Of course, that could actually be covered by either 'irrational' or 'unprincipled', couldn't it?

 

[jj-]

Sounds like to me, you need to back off, at the very least.

Once gunny is out of control, he seem to not be able to stop.

 

[erowe1]

Liar liar, pants on fire.

Ron Paul is against laws that prohibit us from employing or renting property to people on account of immigration status. That means that, for all intents and purposes, he's for open borders.

On top of that, he's against deporting illegal immigrants and he's against a wall at the border.

Sure, he opposes birthright citizenship (as do I), and he opposes giving welfare and such things to illegal immigrants (as do I). But these things don't involve sealing the border. Under Ron Paul's policies, anyone from any country who got into this country would be able to stay as long as they wanted, have a job, own or rent a place to live, and never have the federal government have any way of even knowing they're here or what their immigration status is. If that's not open borders, for all intents and purposes, then I don't know what is.