Rand vs Trump Poll. Who do these forums support?

[LibertyEagle]

Considering that the media is reporting Ron Paul's supporters are flooding to Donald Trump, and then using that to attack Rand, yes, the elimination of a primary avenue of attack that the media is using against Rand is helping Rand.

You know the media will say any 'ol crap. Especially anything they can do to divide us. And you are falling for it. For shame.

You people want to discuss Trump in peace, go find a Donald Trump forum and leave Rand's and Ron's forums aloneI promise you that I have no interest in darkening the login prompt of a Trump forum so you will not have to deal with me there.

The only person I have seen saying they plan on voting for Trump instead of Rand is AuH20.

Oh, and no one has to deal with you here, either. You don't have carte blanche to do whatever you want. There are forum guidelines.

The media is using the lunatic fringe from this very site to attack Rand Paul by claiming that Ron Paul's base has abandoned Rand for Trump. By refuting that nonsense, I am denying the media ammunition to use against Rand.

Again, the media will say any 'ol crap and you posting ad nauseum about it, makes it appear much worse to onlookers than it actually is.

 

[erowe1]

That reduces immigration because some foreigners don't like being in the country illegally.

Because being here illegally severely hampers employment opportunities under current law. But when you get rid of the means of enforcing the law by making employers report information about whom they hire to the government, you effectively get rid of the law. It just becomes a symbolic gesture. Sure, some people will respect it, such as many Christians who have been indoctrinated with the heresy that God commands them to obey whatever the government says, just like some people do that already. But the government would have no teeth for such a law. Note again the phrase I used, "for all intents and purposes," without tracking employment and renting, the border would be open.

 

[acptulsa]

A year later I come back and a number of those that giving Cocco cajan hell are bashing Rand and waving Trump banners.

DonaldTrumpforums.com I believe is open to anyone that wants to start a support forum for him.

+rep

I'm glad Trump is sharing his wealth with you people. But to see people shilling for him while claiming not to support him is kind of disgusting. And a rather interesting definition of the word 'support', too.

 

[LibertyEagle]

And when they don't come for benefits, then what?

"Some other manner" such as what? Ron Paul wants to get rid of all the means the government has for knowing who the illegal immigrants are, where they are, or that they're in the USA at all. Like I said, I'm all for not giving them welfare benefits too. But that won't do anything to stop illegal immigration by anyone who comes here and works without getting welfare. For these people, for all intents and purposes, the border would be open.

Nope. He said he wants more visas.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I really can't believe you of all people are missing the point. Nobody cares what your second choice is. If Rand doesn't make it I will never vote for trump but I might vote for Carson, Cruz of Kasich. As long as Rand is running I will support him and shout down people trying to promote ANY other candidate over Rand. If I quit supporting Rand I will do the honorable thing and leave and find a place that supports the candidate I pick. I won't try and stay at a place that started in support of the Pauls and still supports the Pauls by 96 percent and pick fights and try and destroy the efforts of the 96% that are trying to help Paul.
Last year a number of us and I believe you were in with us gave Cocco cajan and others a lot of hell for having major disagreements with Rand on his and these forums. A year later I come back and a number of those that giving Cocco cajan hell are bashing Rand and waving Trump banners.
DonaldTrumpforums.com I believe is open to anyone that wants to start a support forum for him.

Have you seen me bashing Rand? No.

 

[LibertyEagle]

+rep

I'm glad Trump is sharing his wealth with you people. But to see people shilling for him while claiming not to support him is kind of disgusting. And a rather interesting definition of the word 'support', too.

How so? I have not attacked Rand. In fact, I said I was going to vote for him. I even said that those who have totally thrown in the towel on Rand should go find another forum.

What is your problem?

Meanwhile, erowe is still here misrepresenting Ron and Rand's positions and you apparently are just fine and dandy with that. Amazing.

 

[kahless]

Considering that the media is reporting Ron Paul's supporters are flooding to Donald Trump, and then using that to attack Rand, yes, the elimination of a primary avenue of attack that the media is using against Rand is helping Rand.

You people want to discuss Trump in peace, go find a Donald Trump forum and leave Rand's and Ron's forums alone I promise you that I have no interest in darkening the login prompt of a Trump forum so you will not have to deal with me there.

The media is using the lunatic fringe from this very site to attack Rand Paul by claiming that Ron Paul's base has abandoned Rand for Trump. By refuting that nonsense, I am denying the media ammunition to use against Rand.

There is a 2016 Presidential Election forum for the purpose of discussing all the candidates. Allowing forum members to discuss candidate positions is no different from past cycles so what is so special about this cycle that we are not supposed to discuss other candidates?

There is no evidence the media is using this site to attack Rand. I saw that other thread where you make that claim and visited the referring links and there was no mention of RPF, your claim is basically conjecture.

If anything it is this sense of desperation taking place here with this Trump witch hunt that will drive curious voters away.

 

[erowe1]

I really can't believe you of all people are missing the point. Nobody cares what your second choice is. If Rand doesn't make it I will never vote for trump but I might vote for Carson, Cruz of Kasich.

Kasich is a weird one to have in that list. But with Cruz and especially Carson, I at least get where you're coming from. I can see the issues where a Ron Paul supporter would agree with them, or think they're noticeably better than the rest of the pack. And some people care more about some issues than others. I've always appreciated the diversity of Ron Paul's support, and it's always been clear that without him, they'd diverge in different directions.

But Trump? That makes no sense at all. These people who would vote for him are just hapless victims of some kind of bamboozlement. I can explain it in no other way than that they must be innately susceptible to getting conned.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I really can't believe you of all people are missing the point. Nobody cares what your second choice is. If Rand doesn't make it I will never vote for trump but I might vote for Carson, Cruz of Kasich. As long as Rand is running I will support him and shout down people trying to promote ANY other candidate over Rand. If I quit supporting Rand I will do the honorable thing and leave and find a place that supports the candidate I pick. I won't try and stay at a place that started in support of the Pauls and still supports the Pauls by 96 percent and pick fights and try and destroy the efforts of the 96% that are trying to help Paul.
Last year a number of us and I believe you were in with us gave Cocco cajan and others a lot of hell for having major disagreements with Rand on his and these forums. A year later I come back and a number of those that giving Cocco cajan hell are bashing Rand and waving Trump banners.
DonaldTrumpforums.com I believe is open to anyone that wants to start a support forum for him.

Damn. I'm outta rep for this.

 

[AuH20]

Have you seen me bashing Rand? No.

Rand has run a horrible campaign though. Brutal. It's like watching a natural right handed batter try to hit left handed with a blind fold on.

 

[erowe1]

There is a 2016 Presidential Election forum for the purpose of discussing all the candidates.

Yes. It's for trashing all of them who are not Rand, and mocking, belittling, and shaming anyone who would support them.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

There is a 2016 Presidential Election forum for the purpose of discussing all the candidates. Allowing forum members to discuss candidate positions is no different from past cycles so what is so special about this cycle that we are not supposed to discuss other candidates?

There is no evidence the media is using this site to attack Rand. I saw that other thread where you make that claim and visited the referring links and there was no mention of RPF, your claim is basically conjecture.

If anything it is this sense of desperation taking place here with this Trump witch hunt that will drive curious voters away.

I would not go on to ************s bashing Cruz and praising Rand. Why are you on Ron/Rand Paul forums bashing Rand and promoting Trump?

The media is already using this to attack Rand Paul, claiming that Ron Paul's supporters are deserting Rand en masse and taking up the Trump banner. You and your ilk are responsible for this attack on Rand and you just don't GAF.

 

[klamath]

Have you seen me bashing Rand? No.

I didn't say you do. Other are. As I recall last year you wanted all these disagreeing with Rand banned. I generally don't support bans but I also won't give any quarter to those trying to promote Trump on the forums started for the Pauls.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Rand has run a horrible campaign though. Brutal. It's like watching a natural right handed batter try to hit left handed with a blind fold on.

There are several domain registrars on the Internet, and DonaldTrumpForums.com is still available.

 

[LibertyEagle]

There is a 2016 Presidential Election forum for the purpose of discussing all the candidates. Allowing forum members to discuss candidate positions is no different from past cycles so what is so special about this cycle that we are not supposed to discuss other candidates?

There is no evidence the media is using this site to attack Rand. I saw that other thread where you make that claim and visited the referring links and there was no mention of RPF, your claim is basically conjecture.

If anything it is this sense of desperation taking place here with this Trump witch hunt that will drive curious voters away.

For sure.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I didn't say you do. Other are. As I recall last year you wanted all these disagreeing with Rand banned. I generally don't support bans but I also won't give any quarter to those trying to promote Trump on the forums started for the Pauls.

Klamath, back then, Josh was still the owner and allowed a select few to go into Rand's own forum, ad nauseum, and flat out lie and twist Rand's positions. They repeated their BS in nearly every thread they could find all over the forums. Even those where Rand's name hadn't even been mentioned.

That stopped when Bryan bought the forums.

I never took issue with people stating their grievances outside of Rand's forum the first 10 or 50 times. Especially, if they are telling the truth and not twisting it all to hell. But, there is a limit ya know, when it becomes clear that is an agenda.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

For sure.

Actually, what's driving people away are the grand total of 5 Trumpsters spamming a forum of thousands of Ron Paulers. You should probably stop driving people away.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Klamath, back then, Josh was still the owner and allowed a select few to go into Rand's own forum, ad nauseum, and flat out lie and twist Rand's positions. They repeated their BS in nearly every thread they could find all over the forums. Even those where Rand's name hadn't even been mentioned.

That stopped when Bryan bought the forums.

I never took issue with people stating their grievances outside of Rand's forum the first 10 or 50 times. Especially, if they are telling the truth and not twisting it all to hell. But, there is a limit ya know, when it becomes clear that is an agenda.

You mean like an agenda to disparage Rand Paul and promote Donald Trump?

 

[acptulsa]

You know the media will say any 'ol crap. Especially anything they can do to divide us. And you are falling for it. For shame.


The only person I have seen saying they plan on voting for Trump instead of Rand is AuH20.

Why, yes. Yes, the media will say anything. Like for instance, they'll say the guy who openly admits to buying influence and hosting the Clintons at his wedding could possibly be against the NWO. What I don't get is how someone who has clearly seen how little coverage someone who actually is gets from the media could believe that of someone who gets coverage 24/7.

At least AuH2O admits Trump won't keep any of his promises. He just wants the powers that be to know exactly how many people hate them, and seems to think they can't add up the numbers generated by their controlled opposition (namely Trump and Sanders) and Rand Paul.

 

[LibertyEagle]

You mean like an agenda to disparage Rand Paul and promote Donald Trump?

I have seen one major person doing that. AuH20. And your hissy fit is drawing attention to it. Is that your goal?