Rand vs Trump Poll. Who do these forums support?

[GunnyFreedom]

I have seen one major person doing that. AuH20. And your hissy fit is drawing attention to it. Is that your goal?

My goal is to deny the media ammunition against Paul by refuting their impression that Ron Paul supporters have gone en masse over to Trump and rejected Rand. By continuing to harp on Trump, you are lending credibility to that impression and handing the media more ammunition to use against Rand. Why are you okay with giving the media ammunition to use against Rand?

 

[LibertyEagle]

My goal is to deny the media ammunition against Paul by refuting their impression that Ron Paul supporters have gone en masse over to Trump and rejected Rand. By continuing to harp on Trump, you are lending credibility to that impression and handing the media more ammunition to use against Rand. Why are you okay with giving the media ammunition to use against Rand?

All you are doing is making it seem worse than it is. If someone was constantly misrepresenting Rand's positions, I would be far more concerned about that. But, I don't see that happening to any extent.

Bryan owns the forums now. If you have a concern, perhaps you should send him a message or post in the Site Feedback subforum. I am sure he will take it into consideration.

 

[klamath]

There is a 2016 Presidential Election forum for the purpose of discussing all the candidates. Allowing forum members to discuss candidate positions is no different from past cycles so what is so special about this cycle that we are not supposed to discuss other candidates?

There is no evidence the media is using this site to attack Rand. I saw that other thread where you make that claim and visited the referring links and there was no mention of RPF, your claim is basically conjecture.

If anything it is this sense of desperation taking place here with this Trump witch hunt that will drive curious voters away.

Oh you can discuss support those others but you sure aren't immune from being challenged and that is exactly what you are getting.

 

[AuH20]

My goal is to deny the media ammunition against Paul by refuting their impression that Ron Paul supporters have gone en masse over to Trump and rejected Rand. By continuing to harp on Trump, you are lending credibility to that impression and handing the media more ammunition to use against Rand. Why are you okay with giving the media ammunition to use against Rand?

Rand Paul's glaring mistakes have led to the Trump phenomenon. Rand is one of the chief architects for the Trump surge. You would think Rand Paul has never been at the ground level with the actual people who reside in the country. Rand Paul didn't even mention illegal immigration once during his campaign introduction speech. He's completely tone deaf and got blown to the wayside by a non-Republican.

 

[klamath]

Klamath, back then, Josh was still the owner and allowed a select few to go into Rand's own forum, ad nauseum, and flat out lie and twist Rand's positions. They repeated their BS in nearly every thread they could find all over the forums. Even those where Rand's name hadn't even been mentioned.

That stopped when Bryan bought the forums.

I never took issue with people stating their grievances outside of Rand's forum the first 10 or 50 times. Especially, if they are telling the truth and not twisting it all to hell. But, there is a limit ya know, when it becomes clear that is an agenda.

That is happening now, but you are not seeing it because you kinda like Trump.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Oh you can discuss support those others but you sure aren't immune from being challenged and that is exactly what you are getting.

See, not only do they want to spam Trump, they want everyone else to leave them alone and let the spam Trump in peace. And when we call them on their BS they whine and cry and lie about us to try and make us stop holding them accountable.

 

[Rad]

I posted something in vents after thinking about this forum. I think you guys should go watch it. It was made by a psychiatrist.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

All you are doing is making it seem worse than it is. If someone was constantly misrepresenting Rand's positions, I would be far more concerned about that. But, I don't see that happening to any extent.

Bryan owns the forums now. If you have a concern, perhaps you should send him a message or post in the Site Feedback subforum. I am sure he will take it into consideration.

No, I'm just paying attention. I've seen the news reports on how Ron Paul's supporters have gone gaga over Trump, when the reality is it's 96% to 4% Rand. The media thinks that because of 4 or 5 lunatics running around spamming Trump. I do not believe that it's okay to use Ron Paul Forums as a weapon to attack Rand Paul. You used to agree with that until Trump tickled your ears and told you whatever you wanted to hear.

 

[AuH20]

No, I'm just paying attention. I've seen the news reports on how Ron Paul's supporters have gone gaga over Trump, when the reality is it's 96% to 4% Rand. The media thinks that because of 4 or 5 lunatics running around spamming Trump. I do not believe that it's okay to use Ron Paul Forums as a weapon to attack Rand Paul. You used to agree with that until Trump tickled your ears and told you whatever you wanted to hear.

What about this?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...e-daily-202-cruz-trying-to-poach-paul-voters/

 

[kahless]

Rand has run a horrible campaign though. Brutal. It's like watching a natural right handed batter try to hit left handed with a blind fold on.

Rand Paul's glaring mistakes have led to the Trump phenomenon. Rand is one of the chief architects for the Trump surge. You would think Rand Paul has never been at the ground level with the actual people who reside in the country. Rand Paul didn't even mention illegal immigration once during his campaign introduction speech. He's completely tone deaf and got blown to the wayside by a non-Republican.

^This about sums up my frustration right here.

I would not go on to ************s bashing Cruz and praising Rand. Why are you on Ron/Rand Paul forums bashing Rand and promoting Trump?

The media is already using this to attack Rand Paul, claiming that Ron Paul's supporters are deserting Rand en masse and taking up the Trump banner. You and your ilk are responsible for this attack on Rand and you just don't GAF.

I may disagree with Rand on language used for his immigration policy and H-1b but I do not see it as bashing Rand. I may agree with Trump's immigration plan but that does not mean I am promoting Trump.

I have been a pretty hardcore Rand/Ron supporter up until recently. I think if you ask most people here not everyone is going to agree with Rand %100 on everything. No candidate is perfect and sometimes we have to decide whether some issues are a deal killer.

There have been some cumulative issues going on with Rand which I won't get into since they have been repeated here in these forums ad nauseum. Immigration is one of those issues I thought Rand was weak on and it is always a decision whether it is worth over looking for the greater good. But then you have him coming out talking about increasing H1-B immigration and I think who the hell is Rand serving by doing so. This goes exactly to what AuH20 wrote in that 2nd quote.

So I have one post praising Trump which was specifically for his H1-B immigration plan which favors American citizens first. Rand's policy favors foreigners over American citizens. That is a tough thing to get past and I do have a huge problem with that. The media and I are still waiting for Rand to clarify what they are calling his "vague" H-1B position but regardless he has stated he will increase H-1B immigration.

I am undecided whether I will continue to support Rand or support Trump over Rand. I think I am leaning towards Trump and I am aware of the risks. There are so many issues at play I am undecided.

 

[klamath]

Rand Paul's mistakes have led to the Trump phenomenon. Rand is one of the chief architects for the Trump surge. You would think Rand Paul has never been at the ground level with the actual people who reside in the country. Rand Paul didn't even mention illegal immigration once during his campaign introduction speech. He's completely tone deaf and got blown to the wayside by a non-Republican.

Rand is making some mistakes in my opinion, however I still support him. Trump is getting the full on support of the anti Hispanic wing of the republican party which is putting him ahead in a 17 candidate race but in doing so it is solidly alienating the other parts of the GOP, the independents and any possible democrat crossovers in the fall. Sure rand could have jumped out ahead and then be squashed and ruined forever in the fall. In just the last 4 years the Hispanic voter block has grown 16%. They are going to organize in mass against trump in the fall if he gets that far, especially when it gets around that he will deport Hispanic citizens as well.
Rand's biggest problem with gop right now is that republicans are back in the mood to kick some issus ass for raping and beheading people.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Rand Paul's glaring mistakes have led to the Trump phenomenon. Rand is one of the chief architects for the Trump surge. You would think Rand Paul has never been at the ground level with the actual people who reside in the country. Rand Paul didn't even mention illegal immigration once during his campaign introduction speech. He's completely tone deaf and got blown to the wayside by a non-Republican.

It's true. If Rand had owned illegal immigration as a campaign issue early, the Trump surge would be a fraction of what it is now. It's pretty clear why he didn't; he's absolutely terrified of being called racist. He's got to find his backbone, or he has no chance.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

What about this?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...e-daily-202-cruz-trying-to-poach-paul-voters/

They are not spamming RonPaulForums. They have every right to be political activists. If they were spamming RonPaulForums with it, then I'd be telling them to get stuffed too. I would, however, be a bit less annoyed and repulsed considering that at least Cruz has principles where Trump has none. That wouldn't stop me from telling them to go find their own forums to promote their chosen candidate.

 

[AuH20]

It's true. If Rand had owned illegal immigration as a campaign issue early, the Trump surge would be a fraction of what it is now. It's pretty clear why he didn't; he's absolutely terrified of being called racist. He's got to find his backbone, or he has no chance.

And he didn't even have to talk as radical like Trump or King. Just lay it out there. Let people know where you stand. But the deceptive hiding on the subject is near unforgivable in my eyes.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

^This about sums up my frustration right here.



I may disagree with Rand on language used for his immigration policy and H-1b but I do not see it as bashing Rand. I may agree with Trump's immigration plan but that does not mean I am promoting Trump.

I have been a pretty hardcore Rand/Ron supporter up until recently. I think if you ask most people here not everyone is going to agree with Rand %100 on everything. No candidate is perfect and sometimes we have to decide whether some issues are a deal killer.

There have been some cumulative issues going on with Rand which I won't get into since they have been repeated here in these forums ad nauseum. Immigration is one of those issues I thought Rand was weak on and it is always a decision whether it is worth over looking for the greater good. But then you have him coming out talking about increasing H1-B immigration and I think who the hell is Rand serving by doing so. This goes exactly to what AuH20 wrote in that 2nd quote.

So I have one post praising Trump which was specifically for his H1-B immigration plan which favors American citizens first. Rand's policy favors foreigners over American citizens. That is a tough thing to get past and I do have a huge problem with that. The media and I are still waiting for Rand to clarify what they are calling his "vague" H-1B position but regardless he has stated he will increase H-1B immigration.

I am undecided whether I will continue to support Rand or support Trump over Rand. I think I am leaning towards Trump and I am aware of the risks. There are so many issues at play I am undecided.

I don't agree with Rand on 100% everything either. That doesn't mean I'm going to camp out on his forums and promote his opponents. There is a reason the media is claiming that Ron Paul people are abandoning Rand in favor of Trump, and that reason is you. You want to spam Trump? Fine. Do it somewhere other than RonPaulForums.

 

[AuH20]

Rand is making some mistakes in my opinion, however I still support him. Trump is getting the full on support of the anti Hispanic wing of the republican party which is putting him ahead in a 17 candidate race but in doing so it is solidly alienating the other parts of the GOP, the independents and any possible democrat crossovers in the fall. Sure rand could have jumped out ahead and then be squashed and ruined forever in the fall. In just the last 4 years the Hispanic voter block has grown 16%. They are going to organize in mass against trump in the fall if he gets that far, especially when it gets around that he will deport Hispanic citizens as well.
Rand's biggest problem with gop right now is that republicans are back in the mood to kick some issus ass for raping and beheading people.

I think Trump's support is far broader than the experts suspect. Trump is getting major moderate support as well in the 18-45 age bracket. That was supposed to be Rand's bread and butter.

 

[klamath]

What about this?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...e-daily-202-cruz-trying-to-poach-paul-voters/

Start promoting Cruz here and see what you get.

 

[AuH20]

I'll just leave this out there. Stop believing the lies about Trumps' support. It is very broad.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...lling-best-among-liberal-and-modera/?page=all

 

[klamath]

I think Trump's support is far deeper than the experts suspect. Trump is getting major moderate support as well in the 18-45 age bracket. That was supposed to be Rand's bread and butter.

I guarantee it is NOT. A sure way of getting Bernie sanders elected it to run trump.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I think Trump's support is far broader than the experts suspect. Trump is getting major moderate support as well in the 18-45 age bracket. That was supposed to be Rand's bread and butter.