Rand vs Trump Poll. Who do these forums support?

[H. E. Panqui]

....hopefully the results of this poll calm any nazi republicrat goose-steppers here at RPF...

 

[erowe1]

It's not the forums who like Trump, it's only about 5 (out of thousands) of posters. Problem is those 5 are VERY vocal about it, and the mods/admins are turning a blind eye to the effect it is having for the Big6 Media reporting that Ron Paul fans have abandoned Rand in favor of Trump.

This.

FeS2H2O, Kahkless, and -jaja have made Trump pumping here their full-time jobs of late. Then there's DavidSaddest and FudgePacqui picking up some slack here and there.

 

[erowe1]

Question. Has anything been done to change the new rules that the RNC put in effect during the last convention that as I recall basically says that the RNC itself can choose the delegates? Because while those are in place, please explain to me how any grassroots candidate without overwhelming support will be able to win the Republican nomination. Thanks.

How could anyone ever win the nomination without overwhelming support anyway?

The way you win the nomination is by winning at the primaries and caucuses.

 

[LibertyEagle]

How could anyone ever win the nomination without overwhelming support anyway?

The way you win the nomination is by winning at the primaries and caucuses.

The rules were changed. Did you forget?

 

[erowe1]

The rules were changed. Did you forget?

So? Are you imagining that they changed so that someone other than the person who wins the most delegates in primaries and caucuses can get the nomination?

"Overwhelming support" (your own words), is always how a candidate got the nomination, and, as you said, it still is.

 

[LibertyEagle]

So? Are you imagining that they changed so that someone other than the person who wins the most delegates in primaries and caucuses can get the nomination?

"Overwhelming support" (your own words), is always how a candidate got the nomination, and, as you said, it still is.

The way I remember it is that the RNC can now choose the delegates, regardless of what the individual states decide.

 

[erowe1]

The way I remember it is that the RNC can now choose the delegates, regardless of what the individual states decide.

I don't know if that's true. But even if so, that won't affect who those delegates have to vote for at the convention.

 

[VegasPatriot]

I don't know if that's true. But even if so, that won't affect who those delegates have to vote for at the convention.

Right, the delegates will still be able to vote their conscious, however the RNC will simply ignore that vote and not announce it. I know, because that's exactly what they did at the 2012 RNC when I was a delegate from Nevada. https://youtu.be/Mc37TvhJ5Ko

 

[erowe1]

Right, the delegates will still be able to vote their conscious, however the RNC will simply ignore that vote and not announce it. I know, because that's exactly what they did at the 2012 RNC when I was a delegate from Nevada. https://youtu.be/Mc37TvhJ5Ko

I doubt this. Delegates will have to vote for the candidates they're sent to the convention to vote for according to the results of their states' primaries and caucuses, just like it's always been. We're not going to have a situation where one candidate wins at the primaries and caucuses and then the delegates go to the convention and nominate someone else.

Your experience in 2012 has to do with delegates supporting a candidate other than the one who decisively won nationwide at the primaries and caucuses. That's not the same thing.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I don't remember all the details, but I am sure someone here does. During the last RNC, Mitt Romney's folks were able to change some of the rules. People here were up in arms about it. I recall it being that the RNC could override what the states decided regarding delegates, so as to stop any grassroots candidate from ever winning.

 

[JK/SEA]

I don't remember all the details, but I am sure someone here does. During the last RNC, Mitt Romney's folks were able to change some of the rules. People here were up in arms about it. I recall it being that the RNC could override what the states decided regarding delegates, so as to stop any grassroots candidate from ever winning.

yep, and lets not forget the violence, the changing of rules mid-stream (cheating), and just flat out using Roberts Rules to quash Ron Paul Delegates....i was there. I saw it happen...

not too many people realize how close we were to getting Ron nominated.....fact.

 

[LibertyEagle]

yep, and lets not forget the violence, the changing of rules mid-stream (cheating), and just flat out using Roberts Rules to quash Ron Paul Delegates....i was there. I saw it happen...

Yup, but what exactly were the rule changes that will be applicable for this upcoming election?

 

[CPUd]

One of the new rules is the individual campaigns can disavow delegates and replace with ones they choose. This is due to the Mitt campaign freaking out about delegates bound for Mitt that they thought might vote Ron Paul at the convention.

 

[JK/SEA]

Yup, but what exactly were the rule changes that will be applicable for this upcoming election?

can't say. I never get invited to any back room meetings in my local party...

 

[erowe1]

One of the new rules is the individual campaigns can disavow delegates and replace with ones they choose. This is due to the Mitt campaign freaking out about delegates bound for Mitt that they thought might vote Ron Paul at the convention.

If this is the case, then this would make Rand's nomination more secure, rather than less secure, provided he wins at the primaries and caucuses.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Dramatic, Little Known GOP Rule Change Takes Choice Of Presidential Candidate Away From Rank And File Republicans And Hands It To Party Elite

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung...file-republicans-and-hands-it-to-party-elite/

 

[JK/SEA]

Dramatic, Little Known GOP Rule Change Takes Choice Of Presidential Candidate Away From Rank And File Republicans And Hands It To Party Elite

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung...file-republicans-and-hands-it-to-party-elite/

thanks LE...nice find. plus rep.

 

[erowe1]

Dramatic, Little Known GOP Rule Change Takes Choice Of Presidential Candidate Away From Rank And File Republicans And Hands It To Party Elite

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung...file-republicans-and-hands-it-to-party-elite/

As I understand that article, it doesn't look at all bad for Rand in particular, or grassroots candidates in general. At least the way that author describes it, the establishment may have shot itself in the foot. If anti-establishment candidates play defense (as he calls it), and prevent Bush from getting over 50% of the vote in more than 8 states, they can throw a bigger wrench in the establishment's gears than we were able to do in 2012. As he asks towards the end:

What will one candidate offer another to entice a competitor to back out of the race in order to create a majority opportunity in a state? How many candidates will hang on to the bitter end, just for the chance to blow up the convention and, thereby, create a chance to become the nominee even when the primary votes of the public say otherwise?

 

[pmbug]

... The mods aren't turning a blind eye, there hasn't been this much discussion here for quite some time.

Sorry folks. I've been busy.

Rand is not perfect, but I trust him more than any other candidate in the field. I just wish he understood the social game a bit better. Saying all the right things isn't enough. How you say it is important.

Trump? I don't consider him to be a serious candidate. I like that his candidacy is a big middle finger to the GOP brass, but this country needs someone with some gravitas in charge. I just hope Rand is still in the picture when the rest of America finally wakes up and gets serious.

 

[klamath]

Please keep it on topic. RP was never about to win the nomination with or without Rule changes.