Rand Paul on The Laura Ingraham Show 4/28

[idiom]

If a 'protester' trashed idiom's car and burned his house he would spend exactly zero time justifying the people violating his property rights.

If they were people I had been paying my local government to shit on for generations, I would know I had it coming. Its a large part of why I put in so much effort to change the system as I do. If the local underclass here went nuts, that's on me. I pay the cops, I pay the courts, I pay the jails. I pay the politicians who have a bogus war on drugs. I pay the zoning boards who make or break integration efforts.

Same as if I was playing the stock market bubble right now and it crashed under me. Obvious abuse of the system is obvious.

Turns out, if you violate people for decades and decades and they spend a week doing it to you, a reasonable person can see where it came from.

Or does everyone here think that the Rioters are average hard-working citizens living a life comparable to yours who just woke up one day and completely freaked out en masse?

 

[idiom]

Wow, this is incredible. People here are actually defending gangs of thugs who are destroying the private property of their neighbors

For a second there that reads like you are talking about the cops, and the people who pay them.

 

[Krugminator2]

Who has funded the police department and the war on drugs and the war on poverty and the local zoning boards for the last 40 years?

Oh right, those private property owners.

Or does responsibility for your actions not apply to taxpayers?

Every terrible policy that afflicts major cities, except the war on drugs, has arisen from liberal Democrats. The blacks in these big cities vote 95% Democrat. How many city council members in Balitmore are Republicans. The tax bill that business and property owners pay largely comes about because that underclass you talk of votes to steal it for themselves.

How many of those rioters oppose welfare? Minimum wage laws? How many support school choice?

They are in no position to complain about anything. The people who should be standing up and rebelling are the producers in society not these savages.

 

[jj-]

If they were people I had been paying my local government to shit on for generations, I would know I had it coming.

How does it make sense for someone to punish you because you paid taxes when that same person paid sales taxes when he bought food? If that's the rationale, the protesters should be setting themselves on fire.

 

[AuH20]

Every terrible policy that afflicts major cities, except the war on drugs, has arisen from liberal Democrats. The blacks in these big cities vote 95% Democrat. How many city council members in Balitmore are Republicans. The tax bill that business and property owners pay largely comes about because that underclass you talk of votes to steal it for themselves.

How many of those rioters oppose welfare? Minimum wage laws? How many support school choice?

They are in no position to complain about anything. The people who should be standing up and rebelling are the producers in society not these savages.

They have been lied to and are being exploited. Yet they still haven't put the pieces together.

 

[JohnGalt1225]

Well, dang. I didn't want to sound like McCain.
On the bright side though, I don't think I sound at all like Karl Marx. The bourgeoisie is the problem, right? The victorious peasants will make everything equatable again. It always works that way, doesn't it? Just look at China and Soviet Russia!

Wish I could rep you again.

If you want to talk about cognitive dissonance, try taking a little stroll down into Baltimore and voice your support for the people acting themselves a fool right now, and let's see how long it is before somebody beats your face to a pulp for being the wrong color in the wrong neighborhood.

What? They would clearly recognize him as one of those "good whites" and a fellow comrade of the proletariat. After all they're anti-state modern day Sons of Liberty, so they have to be good folks who have just been "oppressed" for too long. By god it's like they're fighting for Marx AND Rothbard.

Who has funded the police department and the war on drugs and the war on poverty and the local zoning boards for the last 40 years?

Oh right, those private property owners.

Or does responsibility for your actions not apply to taxpayers?

If you pay your local government to maintain an underclass, you are to blame when the underclass has a tantrum.

If they were people I had been paying my local government to shit on for generations, I would know I had it coming. Its a large part of why I put in so much effort to change the system as I do. If the local underclass here went nuts, that's on me. I pay the cops, I pay the courts, I pay the jails. I pay the politicians who have a bogus war on drugs. I pay the zoning boards who make or break integration efforts.

Same as if I was playing the stock market bubble right now and it crashed under me. Obvious abuse of the system is obvious.

Turns out, if you violate people for decades and decades and they spend a week doing it to you, a reasonable person can see where it came from.

Or does everyone here think that the Rioters are average hard-working citizens living a life comparable to yours who just woke up one day and completely freaked out en masse?

I always thought that leftist thought and Marxist ideology was grounded in self-loathing and white guilt and wouldn't you know these two posts completely prove it. You are so infested with self-hatred you will stand around and watch your property burn down like a cuck because you "had it coming."

 

[dannno]

What? They would clearly recognize him as one of those "good whites" and a fellow comrade of the proletariat. After all they're anti-state modern day Sons of Liberty, so they have to be good folks who have just been "oppressed" for too long. By god it's like they're fighting for Marx AND Rothbard.

I always thought that leftist thought and Marxist ideology was grounded in self-loathing and white guilt and wouldn't you know these two posts completely prove it. You are so infested with self-hatred you will stand around and watch your property burn down like a cuck because you "had it coming."

You sound like somebody attacking Ron Paul for talking about blowback. People in the middle east whose families are blown up by US drones and turn around and attack us are not fighting for Rothbard or Marx either. They are fighting because they are being oppressed.

All he is saying is that business owners should be part of the movement to stand up against oppressive government so that the society that purchases goods from them is not being oppressed - it will net a better result.

Of course, you can't blame individual business owners- maybe some of them support free markets and are against the war on drugs. I'm not justifying the actions of the looters. But largely business owners have supported our government and this is merely a predictable reaction to that.

 

[idiom]

You sound like somebody attacking Ron Paul for talking about blowback. People in the middle east whose families are blown up by US drones and turn around and attack us are not fighting for Rothbard or Marx either. They are fighting because they are being oppressed.

All he is saying is that business owners should be part of the movement to stand up against oppressive government so that the society that purchases goods from them is not being oppressed - it will net a better result.

Of course, you can't blame individual business owners- maybe some of them support free markets and are against the war on drugs. I'm not justifying the actions of the looters. But largely business owners have supported our government and this is merely a predictable reaction to that.

This, its just like people saying that Ron Paul was arguing that 9/11 was justified. He was merely arguing that we shouldn't be surprised.

Domestic Policy is to foreign policy

as

"They are looting because they hate private property " is to "They attacked us for our freedoms"

as

"You are supporting thugs" is to "You hate America"

as

"Looting is not a peaceful or rational protest" is to "9/11 and Pearl Harbor occurred for no reason, out of the blue"

Is not blowback. Blowback is a specific massively misused term.

Its logical inevitable consequences of the current domestic policy, just as surely as ISIS is the inevitable result of the current foreign policy.

 

[idiom]

I always thought that leftist thought and Marxist ideology was grounded in self-loathing and white guilt and wouldn't you know these two posts completely prove it. You are so infested with self-hatred you will stand around and watch your property burn down like a cuck because you "had it coming."

Or I can try an imagine that people are not genetically pre-dis-positioned to riot, that it takes a lot to get a population to that point.

I can try and think back more than a week when trying to understand the world around me.

 

[twomp]

Cops kill someone. Peaceful protests occur and none of you INCLUDING Rand Paul even bat an eye. Buildings burn and you all are OUTRAGED! The cops will never face justice because you guys ignore the fact that someone was just murdered and focus on what the media demands you focus on. You all fall for it hook, line and sinker and your best defense is "ALL YOU GUYS SUPPORT THE RIOTERS" when it has been said, " A MILLION TIMES." Nobody supports the destruction of private property.

It is the same thing with our foreign policy. Our government goes around killing Muslims. Those people retaliate and you guys all swarm on the Muslims while totally disregarding the cause of ALL THIS.

If the cops were treated like the common criminal they are, there would be a lot less riots. But no they won't be treated like the criminals they are, they have learned they can do this shit and get away with it. So they will do it again and another town in America will burn again. And again you folks will be focused on the rioters while totally dismissing the fact that most of this could be prevented had the cops been treated like any other criminal.

ROUND AND AROUND WE GO! Let's not go with the simple solution of treating criminals how they should be treated, let's go into a psychological evaluation of the African American community while patting ourselves on the back about how "Libertarian" we are.

 

[Brett85]

Cops kill someone. Peaceful protests occur and none of you INCLUDING Rand Paul even bat an eye. Buildings burn and you all are OUTRAGED! The cops will never face justice because you guys ignore the fact that someone was just murdered and focus on what the media demands you focus on.

Believe it or not, you can be opposed to both police brutality and rioting. I speak out against both police brutality and the destruction of private property in riots. I would imagine that's the position that most Americans take. It's common sense.

 

[twomp]

Believe it or not, you can be opposed to both police brutality and rioting. I speak out against both police brutality and the destruction of private property in riots. I would imagine that's the position that most Americans take. It's common sense.

I am sure you believe in that but "most Americans" don't. That is the reason the cops keep getting away with murder. It is not the first nor will it be the last. Just be sure not to be surprised when the next incident occurs and more buildings start burning. One day when "most Americans" feel like the cops have over stepped their bounds, this will stop.

It won't happen because peaceful protests get ignored while violent protests get amplified and demonized. People watching T.V. end up supporting the cops. Rinse and Repeat until people snap out of it and realize, "hey if the cops would get treated like any other criminal, this would solve a lot of our problems."

But no, you guys rather listen to FOX news talk about the psychology of the Black community and nod your heads in agreement.

 

[hells_unicorn]

Believe it or not, you can be opposed to both police brutality and rioting. I speak out against both police brutality and the destruction of private property in riots. I would imagine that's the position that most Americans take. It's common sense.

I find the angle that twomp and idiom are approaching this from to be a bit ironic. They are comparing people who are skeptical of rioters stealing from and destroying private property with Neocons without even acknowledging all of our shared opposition to police abuse.

It's kind of like "you're either with us, or you're against us", eh?

What? They would clearly recognize him as one of those "good whites" and a fellow comrade of the proletariat. After all they're anti-state modern day Sons of Liberty, so they have to be good folks who have just been "oppressed" for too long. By god it's like they're fighting for Marx AND Rothbard.

Maybe in his own mind they would do that. However, having been someone who has lived in Baltimore and also someone who has been listening to the nonsense these rioters have been spouting, I doubt they'd know how to spell Marx or Rothbard's name properly, let alone know who they are. When you have a race riot going, it doesn't matter if you're a transsexual, left-of-Marx neckbeard with a Malcolm X t-shirt on, if you change colors in a tanning booth, your ass is going to get stomped.

 

[dannno]

I find the angle that twomp and idiom are approaching this from to be a bit ironic. They are comparing people who are skeptical of rioters stealing from and destroying private property with Neocons without even acknowledging all of our shared opposition to police abuse.

It's kind of like "you're either with us, or you're against us", eh?

No, you should probably re-read their posts because they are actually comparing the looters to Muslim terrorists and the police supporters like you to neocons.

 

[JohnGalt1225]

I find the angle that twomp and idiom are approaching this from to be a bit ironic. They are comparing people who are skeptical of rioters stealing from and destroying private property with Neocons without even acknowledging all of our shared opposition to police abuse.

It's kind of like "you're either with us, or you're against us", eh?



Maybe in his own mind they would do that. However, having been someone who has lived in Baltimore and also someone who has been listening to the nonsense these rioters have been spouting, I doubt they'd know how to spell Marx or Rothbard's name properly, let alone know who they are. When you have a race riot going, it doesn't matter if you're a transsexual, left-of-Marx neckbeard with a Malcolm X t-shirt on, if you change colors in a tanning booth, your ass is going to get stomped.

All rational thought goes out the window for rioters and anarchists once "fuck da police" comes into the picture.

This, its just like people saying that Ron Paul was arguing that 9/11 was justified. He was merely arguing that we shouldn't be surprised.

Domestic Policy is to foreign policy

as

"They are looting because they hate private property " is to "They attacked us for our freedoms"

as

"You are supporting thugs" is to "You hate America"

as

"Looting is not a peaceful or rational protest" is to "9/11 and Pearl Harbor occurred for no reason, out of the blue"

Is not blowback. Blowback is a specific massively misused term.

Its logical inevitable consequences of the current domestic policy, just as surely as ISIS is the inevitable result of the current foreign policy.

There's a difference between understanding blow back and giving support to the cause. I may understand the root causes of both the rioters and the "turrists" but that doesn't mean I support their behavior or approve of their methods. Destruction of private property and the murder of 3,000 innocent people is always wrong. Though with the unhinged tone of some your posts you may actually think the riots are justified and there "are no innocent Americans."

 

[Crashland]

No, you should probably re-read their posts because they are actually comparing the looters to Muslim terrorists and the police supporters like you to neocons.

Could you please explain how your position on police is different from hells_unicorn?

 

[JohnGalt1225]

Or I can try an imagine that people are not genetically pre-dis-positioned to riot, that it takes a lot to get a population to that point.

I can try and think back more than a week when trying to understand the world around me.

Your posts betray a severe lack of understanding of the world. In your own words you have blamed the private business owners for the destruction of their own property by looters and rioters! You have a pathological self-hatred and immense white guilt. Your own words show this. You literally said that if you did nothing other than pay taxes(!) (which might I add we are all required by law to pay taxes so these property owners are forced at gun point to pay them!) "had it coming." Law abiding citizens who pay taxes because they HAVE to "had it coming" and deserve what has been brought onto them. You may have hopped fully aboard the crazy train but some of us haven't.
Read what you've wrote for yourself:

If they were people I had been paying my local government to shit on for generations, I would know I had it coming. Its a large part of why I put in so much effort to change the system as I do. If the local underclass here went nuts, that's on me. I pay the cops, I pay the courts, I pay the jails. I pay the politicians who have a bogus war on drugs. I pay the zoning boards who make or break integration efforts.

Same as if I was playing the stock market bubble right now and it crashed under me. Obvious abuse of the system is obvious.

Turns out, if you violate people for decades and decades and they spend a week doing it to you, a reasonable person can see where it came from.

Or does everyone here think that the Rioters are average hard-working citizens living a life comparable to yours who just woke up one day and completely freaked out en masse?

This shit shows a Marxist view of the world.

Who has funded the police department and the war on drugs and the war on poverty and the local zoning boards for the last 40 years?

Oh right, those private property owners.

Or does responsibility for your actions not apply to taxpayers? (Edit:Not when paying taxes is a LAW that is enforced by the point of a gun. Besides, what happened to personal accountability and responsibilty?)

If you pay your local government to maintain an underclass, you are to blame when the underclass has a tantrum.

This is more unhinged suicidal Marxist B.S. Did the innocent people who got assaulted by these proletariat Sons of Liberty have it coming to? Are there "no innocent Americans" or do we all have it coming? This is the kind of talk one expects to read from a self loathing white feminist progressive male on Buzzfeed or Salon.

You sound like somebody attacking Ron Paul for talking about blowback. People in the middle east whose families are blown up by US drones and turn around and attack us are not fighting for Rothbard or Marx either. They are fighting because they are being oppressed.

All he is saying is that business owners should be part of the movement to stand up against oppressive government so that the society that purchases goods from them is not being oppressed - it will net a better result.

Of course, you can't blame individual business owners- maybe some of them support free markets and are against the war on drugs. I'm not justifying the actions of the looters. But largely business owners have supported our government and this is merely a predictable reaction to that.

No one has dropped a single bomb on Baltimore. The people of Baltimore only have themselves to blame for their plight. We're all responsible for our own actions. At least the terrorists are willing to fight soldiers on occasion whereas these rioters are just assaulting innocent people and wantonly destroying property while they loot and cut fire hoses.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Rioters should just scream "Death to the state" its like an anarchist version of "for the children". It makes everything OK. Of course, most of these rioters are almost certainly communists who are just a little ticked at the enforcement arm of the machine they want expanded. But hey, who cares about that?

The enemy of one of your current enemies has to be your friend. We saw how wonderfully this worked out with the french revolution, it was a happy daisy stateless society with liberty and justice for all in a matter of days after they overthrew King Louis. And chopped up his wife and family, and all the other kingsuckers. Oh, wait....

ROFL

Perfect

On that note, may I recommend Nesta Webster's brilliant academic work "The French Revolution: A Study in Democracy."

 

[AuH20]

We need to get Adam Kokesh down there as a man on the street and get the answers from these protesters. I suspect the protesters are very angry that the government left them behind and is not doing enough. Maybe a Department of Racial Grievances is in the works?

 

[hells_unicorn]

No, you should probably re-read their posts because they are actually comparing the looters to Muslim terrorists and the police supporters like you to neocons.

I am not supporting the police, are you reading any of my posts? I am standing in opposition to lawlessness, be it lawless police, or lawless rioters. When you have lawlessness, you have chaos. When you have chaos, you cannot have rational discussion.

I've read Idiom's posts particularly closely, and he somehow thinks that private property getting destroyed is justifiable because the owners of said property pay taxes. Last time I checked, people who are subject to taxation are paying under duress. His line of reasoning is about as logical as Ward Churchill comparing people who died in the World Trade Center to Nazis.

I'm sorry, responding to police brutality by resorting to random brutality sounds pretty freakin' retarded to me, and the inevitable result of it will be more of that government repression that everyone keeps crying about. I'm actually not seeing much of a difference between the police who probably killed Gray and the people burning and breaking stuff apart from their clothing.