Rand Paul on The Laura Ingraham Show 4/28

[Sola_Fide]

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of privately owned cars and liquor stores.

That got a belly laugh from me. +rep

 

[hells_unicorn]

Root causes do NOT get discussed. That is why we are here.

It has taken generations of lawlessness to create these situations.

Rand coming out on the side of using all necessary force to put down riots is analogous to the Neocons using whatever force to quell violence in the Middle East.

He should be demanding answers from the President, and the state governor, and the mayor about root causes.

Everybody here is always on about how votings not going to work its going to take revolution to fix the system, until its blacks rioting about the system, then all of a sudden, FUCK THEM! USE FORCE TO UPHOLD THE SYSTEM!

What is wrong with you people.

The rioters are anti-state. They are on our side. They have far greater grievances against the government than any of us have.

And...this is why I've become a bit wary of associating myself with anarchists and people who think that mindless destruction is a remedy to our problems. This sort of insanity is a liability to the Liberty Movement and needs to be called for what it is.

To be fully clear, I have some massive problems with the way the police and the court system conduct themselves, lashing out at people like ravenous bears and asserting illegitimate authority over the lives of all in sight. The problem is, the proposed cure that is on display right now is worse than the disease itself. The only thing worse than the injustices inflicted on individuals is the wanton destruction of entire communities.

I have nothing but contempt for the people out there acting like idiotic fools right now. The solution to the problem Baltimore is having right now with armed riot police could have been solved if the mayor of Baltimore had balls like this guy.

 

[anaconda]

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of privately owned cars and liquor stores.

"How a fifth of Grey Goose and a case of Olde English watered the tree of liberty...."

 

[anaconda]

I get the feeling that Laura has overcome her guilt over the Iraq war "mistake" and is now once again hoping for more godless enemies for the U.S. to terrorize in the name of the red, white, and blue.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I get the feeling that Laura has overcome her guilt over the Iraq war "mistake" and is now once again hoping for more godless enemies for the U.S. to terrorize in the name of the red, white, and blue.

Oh you can be sure of that.

 

[Brett85]

I get the feeling that Laura has overcome her guilt over the Iraq war "mistake" and is now once again hoping for more godless enemies for the U.S. to terrorize in the name of the red, white, and blue.

I didn't hear that at all. In the interview it sounded like she was agreeing with Rand's positions on foreign policy issues.

 

[nayjevin]

As long as you think of the people voluntarily on the streets of Baltimore as 'they,' you will not understand.

As long as you think of cops as 'they,' you will not understand.

There are people destroying private property. There are people protesting peacefully. They are not the same people.

There are cops using the situation as an excuse to be more aggressive. There are cops who would never do any such thing. They are not the same people.

 

[idiom]

The solution to the slave classes destroying private property is apparently not to disassemble the system that keeps the slave class, but to repress them with state violence.

Which forum am I even on?

I mean its not like the calls are for store owners to hire private security to protect the private property. No people want to use the full and unbridled power of the state to crush these 'animals' and put them back 'where they belong'.

Just speechless.

The problem is, the proposed cure that is on display right now is worse than the disease itself. The only thing worse than the injustices inflicted on individuals is the wanton destruction of entire communities.

What is happening now isn't the cure, its the result. The cure is apparently more heavy handed repression via state agencies. You can't get results like this without generations of injustice to build a community capable of this. The community was destroyed decades ago.

But fine, role out the Tanks. Its truly justified by the looting of a few stores.

Hell maybe FEMA can look after them once they are all rounded up. This forum would really go for that as long as its the right people getting the statist treatment.

 

[afwjam]

Must be some poison in the well somewhere, Ron Paul forums is in strange territory indeed. God help us.

 

[dannno]

As long as you think of the people voluntarily on the streets of Baltimore as 'they,' you will not understand.

As long as you think of cops as 'they,' you will not understand.

There are people destroying private property. There are people protesting peacefully. They are not the same people.

There are cops using the situation as an excuse to be more aggressive. There are cops who would never do any such thing. They are not the same people.

Yep, that's a good point - and some of the ones engaged in violence aren't going after the private property owners, they are going directly after the people they have grievances with. I don't know if that is the best solution, and it looks like this whole thing is shaping up to be a false flag to implement more federal control over the police.. but I don't live in their community with their color of skin and I don't know how bad it really is. All I can see is what the media portrays.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The solution to the slave classes destroying private property is apparently not to disassemble the system that keeps the slave class, but to repress them with state violence.

Which forum am I even on?

I mean its not like the calls are for store owners to hire private security to protect the private property. No people want to use the full and unbridled power of the state to crush these 'animals' and put them back 'where they belong'.

Just speechless.



What is happening now isn't the cure, its the result. The cure is apparently more heavy handed repression via state agencies. You can't get results like this without generations of injustice to build a community capable of this. The community was destroyed decades ago.

But fine, role out the Tanks. Its truly justified by the looting of a few stores.

Hell maybe FEMA can look after them once they are all rounded up. This forum would really go for that as long as its the right people getting the statist treatment.

What the hell is wrong with you?

I'm not going to support anyone who is looting and burning someone else's private property. That isn't what our movement is about. Just the damn opposite.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Yep, that's a good point - and some of the ones engaged in violence aren't going after the private property owners, they are going directly after the people they have grievances with. I don't know if that is the best solution, and it looks like this whole thing is shaping up to be a false flag to implement more federal control over the police.. but I don't live in their community with their color of skin and I don't know how bad it really is. All I can see is what the media portrays.

Oh puhleese. False flag, my ass. Did you forget all the looting in Ferguson so soon?

Justice for Michael Brown!! Gimme some of those weaves.

Justice for Michael Brown! Gotta get me some of those rims.

That's some protesting, right there.

 

[Todd]

Yep, that's a good point - and some of the ones engaged in violence aren't going after the private property owners, they are going directly after the people they have grievances with.

that's why they attacked and looted all the government buildings.

 

[hells_unicorn]

Yep, that's a good point - and some of the ones engaged in violence aren't going after the private property owners, they are going directly after the people they have grievances with. I don't know if that is the best solution, and it looks like this whole thing is shaping up to be a false flag to implement more federal control over the police.. but I don't live in their community with their color of skin and I don't know how bad it really is. All I can see is what the media portrays.

My family lived down in the Baltimore area for just over 20 years, and they saw the aftermath of the race riots back in the early 1970s. This is not about false flag operations, this is a community that behaves like a collective bee hive and starts burning and breaking stuff every time the media foments it. The media is most definitely part of the problem, but not for the reasons that you may think.

This is the product of the welfare state, an entire generation of spoiled brats from baby-daddies and baby-mommas who don't even know how to properly react when real injustice occurs, ergo the same ones that whine about not having an education because they've destroyed their own schools. What those cops did to Freddie Gray probably amounted to either murder or manslaughter. I am not a fan of police brutality or the police state, but the stuff that's been going on in Baltimore plays right into the hands of people who want tighter controls on peoples' liberty.

 

[Brett85]

https://www.facebook.com/3467865854...6786585442633/749614508493170/?type=1&theater

 

[dannno]

For those denying the false flag claims:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...in-Obama%92s-Federal-Takeover-of-Local-Police

We have known for years that the government is promoting policies that target minorities unfairly, if you're not a minority then you don't really get to decide when they should be fed up for their treatment. But that is beside the point here, the point is that they obviously had a plan to purposely drive them to this point in order to help federalize the police forces. Then they promoted this in the media and got everybody fired up, and had the police act in a way that would help foment the protests without stopping the looting.

I'm not advocating destruction of private property at all, obviously many of them are going about it wrong. But if you actually read the COMMENT I WAS RESPONDINDING TO above then you would know that it's not a good idea to paint all of these people with the broad brush that you are.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of privately owned cars and liquor stores.

+rep

 

[The Rebel Poet]

The solution to the slave classes destroying private property is apparently not to disassemble the system that keeps the slave class, but to repress them with state violence.

Which forum am I even on?

I mean its not like the calls are for store owners to hire private security to protect the private property. No people want to use the full and unbridled power of the state to crush these 'animals' and put them back 'where they belong'.

Just speechless.



What is happening now isn't the cure, its the result. The cure is apparently more heavy handed repression via state agencies. You can't get results like this without generations of injustice to build a community capable of this. The community was destroyed decades ago.

But fine, role out the Tanks. Its truly justified by the looting of a few stores.

Hell maybe FEMA can look after them once they are all rounded up. This forum would really go for that as long as its the right people getting the statist treatment.

So stopping people from attacking random strangers, destroying other peoples stuff, and stealing is repression now? In what universe does that make sense? Tell you what, post your address here and a few of us will come over and address our anti-state grievances on your property.

 

[RandallFan]

The thugs in Baltimore wish Obama and Federal Agents could kill any libertarian or conservative white person they could get their hands on.

I doubt if any of them care about all the non-white and non-black people killed by Obama's policies.

They'd love a swat raid on anyone who bought the so called Ron Paul Newsletter and anyone accused of using the N-Word ever. Anyone who questions the Civil Rights Act would get a SWAT raid as well.

Also the same type of people were making death threats against the people who did the affirmative action ballot measure in Michigan.

Lorretta Lynch, Eric Holder and Obama are far bigger lawman thugs than any cop out there

 

[idiom]

So stopping people from attacking random strangers, destroying other peoples stuff, and stealing is repression now? In what universe does that make sense? Tell you what, post your address here and a few of us will come over and address our anti-state grievances on your property.

Dude gives his location as a cell number, but thinks the state isn't repressive.

The cognitive dissonance is astonishing.

"The occupation should be continued until the violence stops, then the occupation can end peacefully."

Y'all sound like McCain.