Rand Paul Confronted on Mitt Romney Endorsement by wearechange

[wongster41]

Is this painful for you as well (@3:57). Or is Rudowski's hot dog going down too easy for you?

What does luke's personal life have anything to do with this?

 

[cheapseats]

...he gained far more sheeple GOP voters than liberty voters he lost. Playing the "where will his support come from? It's all gone." card doesn't jive with reality.

MORE "Sheeple" and FEWER Liberty Lovers is now a GOOD thing?

I know, I know . . . YES, IF YOU WANNA WIN!!

 

[Libertea Party]

What does luke's personal life have anything to do with this?

What does a possible fraudster ambushing Rand Paul with issues he's already addressed in multiple interviews have to do with anything?

 

[TheGrinch]

What does luke's personal life have anything to do with this?

That he's probably more interested in profiting from our controversy, then actually having an interview they offered to give him.

But regardless of the truth, it should raise a big red flag when people are directly profiting (through misappropriation if not fraud) from these noble movements, particularly when there's controversy surrounding them. The reason the media resorts to sensationalism (aside from other agendas) is because it's very profitable to create a spectacle, particularly when that spectacle can contribute to people buying into you instead of a "competitor" (i.e., this campaign and Paul-centric movement).

Again, this might not be the case here, but between the way he was pestering Rand and then ran with this to create a faux-story, and him misappropriating funds for his personal use, certainly doesn't lend credibility to him being noble in his pursuit here, does it?

 

[RickyJ]

Real journalism? LOL! How about Bilderberg Journalism? Rand's endorsement is the best thing for this movement, why? Because there are some of us, like Rand, who heard Ron's call to work and influence the Republican party, then there is the rest of us.

If it is the best thing for the movement then why hasn't Ron Paul endorsed Romney too?

Rand Paul revealed he is not one of us with that endorsement. Sorry, but those are the cold hard facts.

 

[Sola_Fide]

If it is the best thing for the movement then why hasn't Ron Paul endorsed Romney too?

Rand Paul revealed he is not one of us with that endorsement. Sorry, but those are the cold hard facts.

The best thing right now is that Rand endorsed, and the other best thing is that Ron doesn't endorse....imho

 

[TheGrinch]

If it is the best thing for the movement then why hasn't Ron Paul endorsed Romney too?

Ron = ideological leader

Rand = political leader

Their roles are different, particularly as we are still a minority. We're unable to bring about purity until we're in positions of power.

Judge Rand by whether he makes gains for liberty through legislation, because he's already told us that this was the reasoning behind why they agreed he needed to make the endorsement, and not close the door on support that we DO need until we're in a majority position.

Fine if you disagree, but just stop with the "us vs. them" rhetoric. Everyone is not going to agree on the solutions, but it's plenty enough that we agree on the problems and work together towards solutions. Outcasting someone (ironically just like the establishment would have if he hadn't made the endorsement) is only counterproductive to getting our ideas into the public discourse, which is much more than you can say for not playing the game at all and remaining "pure" as our country goes down the crapper.

 

[cheapseats]

Ron = ideological leader

Rand = political leader

Ideology + Politics = Irreconcilable Differences

 

[jmdrake]

What does luke's personal life have anything to do with this?

Luke (allegedly) dipping in the funds of an organization set up by someone else (who died mysteriously) and then blowing off questions about it is not "his personal life". But more importantly, it's hypocritical of him to demand answers from other people when he won't answer questions himself.

 

[JohnGalt23g]

If it is the best thing for the movement then why hasn't Ron Paul endorsed Romney too?

Rand Paul revealed he is not one of us with that endorsement. Sorry, but those are the cold hard facts.

And when/if Ron Paul endorses Romney, in some way shape or form, what then will you say?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Ron = ideological leader

Rand = political leader

Their roles are different, particularly as we are still a minority. We're unable to bring about purity until we're in positions of power.

Judge Rand by whether he makes gains for liberty through legislation, because he's already told us that this was the reasoning behind why they agreed he needed to make the endorsement, and not close the door on support that we DO need until we're in a majority position.

Fine if you disagree, but just stop with the "us vs. them" rhetoric. Everyone is not going to agree on the solutions, but it's plenty enough that we agree on the problems and work together towards solutions. Outcasting someone (ironically just like the establishment would have if he hadn't made the endorsement) is only counterproductive to getting our ideas into the public discourse, which is much more than you can say for not playing the game at all and remaining "pure" as our country goes down the crapper.

I see Rand as the implementer.

 

[LibertyEagle]

If it is the best thing for the movement then why hasn't Ron Paul endorsed Romney too?

Rand Paul revealed he is not one of us with that endorsement. Sorry, but those are the cold hard facts.

That is not true.

They have different roles, as Grinch said. Ron couldn't get much of anything implemented, but he was able to open the eyes of a number of people. Interestingly enough, it was largely leftists and independents. Now we have to get the traditional conservatives. Ron wasn't too successful at that, I think because he used way too leftist jargon. It made conservatives ears shut. Rand will be able to get them to listen. I've heard him explain part of the message to conservatives and they will cheer, when with Ron they just shake their heads in misunderstanding.

Ron is the purity gauge.

Rand is the implementer.

We need both.

Note: I understand that you want another Ron. But, they come along maybe once in a lifetime. That is, if you are very lucky. I am in my 50s and he is the only one of his type that I have seen. And as much as you love him, he wasn't able to get legislation through. We need that. If we want to get things turned around.

Please give Rand a chance. We do way too much shooting of our own guys.

 

[No1butPaul]

Ha, his dad wasn't afraid to answer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTBqCYqZE40

 

[LibertyEagle]

Rand Paul represents the division of the liberty movement and he always will. There's no denying it and there's no turning back from it.

You can continue with the liberty movement or you can support Rand Paul.

Have fun wherever you are going, because I am in the liberty movement and I am supporting Rand Paul. At least right now, I am. You aren't the grand master of the movement, you know. Sheesh.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Ha, his dad wasn't afraid to answer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTBqCYqZE40

Rand answered quite substantially 2 years ago. Damn. The video has been posted a couple of times. This time, he was frickin' busy and asked Luke to call and make an appointment and they would talk. That would have been fine with any rational person, but nooooooooooooooooooo.

Geez guys, you seem to want to make this molehill into a mountain. What's wrong? Are we doing too well and you feel uncomfortable? That's what it's starting to seem like.

For the record. Only a dumbass or someone who was trying to wreck Rand's chances at being a successful implementer, would be going around demanding that he give a frickin' oratory on Bilderberger, 9-11, or lizard people. Sheesh. Don't you remember what the media did to Ron?

You should be furious at that little Luke wanker. I know I am. Don't you see that he is just amping this to try to stay relevant? It's how he gets his money. And he is not the only opportunist in this movement that is doing this crap. You must see it. Surely, you can.

I'm really starting to believe there are people we believed were in our movement, who for some reason or another, are trying to get us at each other's throats to destroy any momentum we had going. Divide-and-conquer.

 

[No1butPaul]

give me a break, he wasn't too busy. Ron was busy signing books and he answered.

 

[Libertea Party]

Ha, his dad wasn't afraid to answer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTBqCYqZE40

Neither was Rand. He said Bilderberg attendees (i.e. Goldman Sachs execs) used government for their own profit at public expense . He said it then and I'm confident he'd say it now. This B.S. about putting up a video of his Goldman Sachs comments next to his Mitt Romney comments and claiming he changed his position is just that: B.S.

It's like the liars who say Ron Paul is against the federal Civil Rights Act because he is a racist. Then when he says he for a reform benefiting persons of color (i.e. federal drug laws) they say he's "flip-flopping" on being a racist. It's muddying the waters and interjecting your own agenda to smear someone. It's true Ron Paul is against the CRA but it's because it's a violation of constitutional rights AND it's true that he's against federal drug laws because it's a violation of constitutional rights. Not because of anything having to do with race.

Rand Paul is against Bilderberg attendees who use government to profit themselves because he's against using government for private profit. Rand Paul is also against Solyndra execs using government to profit themselves. Not because he has a political issue with finance execs or green energy execs meeting privately but with ANY individuals or groups lobbying a public institution for private gains whether at Bilderberg or not.

 

[r3volution]

Rand answered quite substantially 2 years ago. Damn. The video has been posted a couple of times. This time, he was frickin' busy and asked Luke to call and make an appointment and they would talk. That would have been fine with any rational person, but nooooooooooooooooooo.

Geez guys, you seem to want to make this molehill into a mountain. What's wrong? Are we doing too well and you feel uncomfortable? That's what it's starting to seem like.

For the record. Only a dumbass or someone who was trying to wreck Rand's chances at being a successful implementer, would be going around demanding that he give a frickin' oratory on Bilderberger, 9-11, or lizard people. Sheesh. Don't you remember what the media did to Ron?

You should be furious at that little Luke wanker. I know I am. Don't you see that he is just amping this to try to stay relevant? It's how he gets his money. And he is not the only opportunist in this movement that is doing this crap. You must see it. Surely, you can.

I'm really starting to believe there are people we believed were in our movement, who for some reason or another, are trying to get us at each other's throats to destroy any momentum we had going. Divide-and-conquer.

they will never get it . they will just keep regurgitating what they hear from those 3 people i mentioned earlier . i wont mention them again because everytime i do i get a -rep from John F Kennedy III & jmdrake but i get like 5 +reps from random others , so it would be rep whoring .

 

[BlackTerrel]

say what you want but this is real journalism, you won't see this on fox, cnn, msnbc, abc. It's really painful to watch Rand dodge this interview.

No it isn't. That's kids who want to feel important and enjoy being assholes and harassing people. Sort of like TMZ.

 

[Brett85]

So you are fine with Rand wanting continuation of Social Security, Medicare, supports Drone use in America etc.

It's more like you are a brainless follower of Ron Paul and following Rand simply because of family ties, betraying your "galt" nametag

Rand introduced a bill that effectively makes the drones useless. He's probably the only U.S Senator who opposes the drones.