Rand Paul Confronted on Mitt Romney Endorsement by wearechange

[Aratus]

everyone around alex jones assumes the eyewitness was correct outside the building about who
was trying to physically furatively sneak into the same and for what reason they were doing it.
rand knows dr. ron's schedule right now much better than he does mitt's and he is well aware of
mitt's many and myriad public stances over the years almost to the degree of being an honorary
baystater. the "build-a-burger" question presumes mitt is more of an insider than the real actual
insiders, and yes, when the group meets, monitary policy often changes. this is mitt's question
and poor rand is being treated like as if he's mitt's surrogate. the reporter had time on his hands
as rand had a very busy day in d.c and was polite at first. i assume rand has met mitt only a few
times and really can't speak for him as a spokesman not without mittsters being really BVLL if he
says something stupid. i admit rand took the safer route in terms of not giving our potus ammo.

 

[cheapseats]

Rand can do whatever he wants in Congress,...but the liberty movement needs to get over him if it is to survive.

There is spearheading the "Republican Party Takeover", and there is being in the vanguard of the Liberty Moovement. BOTH are credible career choices, but it's an EITHER/OR thing.

Lovin' Spoonful: "...pick up on one and let the other one ride...did you ever have to finally decide?"

 

[TheGrinch]

You're dreaming.

A huge percentage of the liberty movement will never accept Rand Paul. That's just the way it is regardless of what anybody thinks about it.

Rand can do whatever he wants in Congress,...but the liberty movement needs to get over him if it is to survive.

Okay, let me put it another way.... I'll reserve judgement on Rand, as is anyone who's "standing with him", while I stand with all of you for the present.

I'm sick of how so many paint this as if it's black and white. There is a vast amount of grey that we aren't going to agree on, but this "you're either for us or against us" is the same kind of propaganda they use to get us into wars. One sides terrorist is another side's freedom fighter. The world is not so black and white that you have to divide people into groups, and it's a dangerous line of thinking. It's entirely possible to have differing opinions about things and still be allies with one another. I don't see why it shouldn't at this point.

 

[Aratus]

if there now is a movement "litmus test" where you need to be at a 100 percentile, then
lets just run Alex Jones and not put others thru the misery of the same. do call me logical.

 

[TheGrinch]

There is spearheading the "Republican Party Takeover", and there is being in the vanguard of the Liberty Moovement.

BOTH are credible career choices, but it's an EITHER/OR thing.

Lovin' Spoonful: "...Pick up on one and let the other one ride..."

No, it's not an "either/or" thing. See my post above. All rhetoric liek that does is serves to be divisive... Disagreements are a part of life, but we need not divide and marginalize eachother over it, but rather embrace that we're all individuals with one common goal: liberty.

If/when Rand turns his back on getting legislation through for our causes, then he will be an enemy of that. Until then, there is no need to make this more than a respectful disagreement (unless of course you're a Gary Johnson supporter here to stir the pot of course )

 

[cheapseats]

...this "you're either for us or against us" is the same kind of propaganda they use to get us into wars...

Yep.

And REPUBLICAN PARTY TAKEOVER people slinging that shit at Non Republican Freedom Fighters.

 

[jmdrake]

we are change , adam kokesh , alex jones are not going to stop until they tear this movement apart . i dont know if they will be successful but in the least they and there supporters have all but ruined this forum .

I think you meant "their" supporters. Regardless, if things are so bad why are you still here?

 

[jmdrake]

You're dreaming.

A huge percentage of the liberty movement will never accept Rand Paul. That's just the way it is regardless of what anybody thinks about it.

Rand can do whatever he wants in Congress,...but the liberty movement needs to get over him if it is to survive.

Or the various factions of the liberty movement can realize that we don't all have to be on the same page all of the time. Seriously the "my way or the highway" folks need to chill. And that goes for people on both sides of the argument.

 

[AuH20]

Yep.

And REPUBLICAN PARTY TAKEOVER people slinging that shit at Non Republican Freedom Fighters.

The nonrepublican freedom fighters who possess neither the tact nor the decorum to even get a slightest part of their platform passed in the current political environment.

 

[Libertea Party]

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Do Abby and Luke endorse murdering journalists or war crimes? Maybe. Maybe not. Why won't Russia Today let them address that question on air? Why are they running away???

Interesting how those accusing others of hypocrisy cash a paycheck from war criminal Vladamir Putin without thinking twice about it.

Oh and how they whine about Rand's response to the 3rd time he's already addressed the issue but cry when Alex Jones is given similar (if not better) treatment: http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/01/b...x-jones-dances-around-thedcs-questions-video/

 

[jmdrake]

I'm not trying to be mean either but there are different ways to use "controlled opposition" and that is just one of many. Ron is not controlled opposition and it's getting a bit difficult to read you all of a sudden contemplating it. Ron did campaign against Romney and then switched tactics because he had to get through Santorum to get to him. Then it was decided they would never win the popular vote due to lack of billions of dollars so they went the delegate route instead. We just couldn't get it done so now they are switching tactics again with Rand. All the while increasing Ron's support the whole way. No one threw the race Drake, we just didn't win it. All this "Ron making an alliance with Romney" was nothing more than a smear tactic (in the eyes of his supporters) pushed by the media. There was not an ounce of truth to that. It worked on waaaaay too many people and I would have thought you would not have been one of them.

That's certainly one way to look at it. It stretches credulity, but it's one way to look at it. It should have been obvious to anyone early on in the race that there wouldn't be "billions" of dollars to work with. And post Iowa (especially post Super Tuesday) there was all of this talk of a "delegate strategy". Well a "delegate strategy" only makes sense in a brokered convention. And a brokered convention would have only been possible if there were enough candidates still running to keep Romney from getting a clear majority. So either the Ron Paul campaign was incompetent beyond belief (clearly possible) or there was some other reason for not attacking Romney.

I've always admired your intellect, but from experience I know the best of us, including myself, can be fooled. I was one of them admittedly and I have freaking got an IQ of 135. I learned a shit load of information from Alex Jones. After all, propaganda isn't made out of whole cloth and probably ~ 90 truth. And it's wierd because I am still in awe of him because he's freaking brilliant at his job. Damn impressive.

Sure. The best of us can be fooled. I still support Ron Paul. Maybe I'm being fooled? Maybe I've been fooled all along? Alex Jones is still supporting Ron Paul. He's still supporting Rand at least directly. (Some) of his writers and associates have gone off the deep end. With Alex's pushing behind the scenes? I don't know. But my concerns regarding Ron don't come from Alex. Frankly I haven't been listening much lately. Fellow RPF member coffeewithchess brought up some very good points yesterday that I can't shake. The campaign strategy employed this time just doesn't make sense. Regardless of bad advisers, media attacks etc., Ron just made some moves that just don't make sense. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I still think this movement has accomplished a lot. But at this point I have more questions for Ron than I do for Rand.

Just trying to be honest here with everyone in hope's it will stem some of the bleeding of the movement's support when it comes to Alex Jone's supporter's. We need to come together once again to finish the job and not divide and I see Alex purposely attempting it by using his writers and lapdogs so he can maintain plausible deniability, IMHO.

Anyways, peace out. Don't want to make an enemy of you....I want to work with you.

If Alex Jones didn't exist, a lot of people would still be pissed at Rand and confused about Ron. And don't worry, questioning my argument won't make me an enemy. I appreciate a thoughtful discussion.

 

[r3volution]

Or the various factions of the liberty movement can realize that we don't all have to be on the same page all of the time. Seriously the "my way or the highway" folks need to chill. And that goes for people on both sides of the argument.

after you have told multiple people to leave over that last few days . lmao , good 1 .

 

[jmdrake]

after you have told multiple people to leave over that last few days . lmao , good 1 .

Ummmm....you've been the one telling people to leave. And since you think that's the answer for everyone that says something negative about the forum I just threw that back at you. Who are these "multiple people" you speak of? I don't think they exist. If they do they were probably being jerks like you and trying to run others off.

 

[Aratus]

alex jones is coming into his own as we speak as a political entity inside our presidential politics if he is asking a sitting senator to toe the line.

 

[jmdrake]

Oh, please don't do that. It's just going to further the divide and conquer that appears to be some kind of agenda being played on us.

+rep! While we've clashed in the past LE I've come to understand and respect your position and I'm sure you have mine.

 

[July]

I'm sick of how so many paint this as if it's black and white. There is a vast amount of grey that we aren't going to agree on, but this "you're either for us or against us" is the same kind of propaganda they use to get us into wars. One sides terrorist is another side's freedom fighter. The world is not so black and white that you have to divide people into groups, and it's a dangerous line of thinking. It's entirely possible to have differing opinions about things and still be allies with one another. I don't see why it shouldn't at this point.

Agreed....the world isn't black and white, and as Rand said, not just good and evil people. I don't think Ron sees the world that way either. He advocates for diplomacy and non aggression, and he is civil and a gentleman with his opponents, and willing to compromise on the right issues. Ron brought a lot of people together who don't normally agree on everything, because we were able to find common ground. Ron suggested we run for office like he did...Now, don't you think it is strange how we have come this far picking up positions at state conventions, and now suddenly people are telling us to turn on Rand, to stay away from the Republican party, that it is useless to try, that the platform is meaningless, etc. Really?? If it is so useless and meaningless, then what exactly do we stand to lose?

 

[Crotale]

There is a huge difference between people who disagreed with him endorsing Romney and those who were calling he and Ron all kinds of names, including some threatening violence against them.

You still support Rand despite his endorsement of Romney. May I remind you that Romney is a big government candidate? He supports NDAA, the Drones, big taxes, Wall Steet Cronyism, illegal wars and the counterfeiters of the Federal Reserve. An endorsement of Romney is an endorsement of the violent gang calling themselves the government.

Your steadfast defence of Rand is condoning the endorsement of violence so don't even try pull the 'violence' card. Because it was a small vocal minority of irrational idiots who posted things like that. You could count them on one hand. I oppose Rand's endorsement, as do the majority of liberty activists. The tone of you posts (not just this one but I've been going through your post history, it is a common theme) are trying to paint the R3VOLUTION as violent thugs who threatened Rand. We're not. Just because we have integrity, principles and aren't willing to compromise on our values because we understand that those who stand for nothing will sell-out for anything - doesn't mean that we are violent and hypocritical towards those who would rather sell out.

Yes, there were a few prats who hurled abuse and let their emotions override their senses. They are a tiny minority. The majority of individuals in the R3VOLUTION are disgusted at this betrayal and have questioned Rand is a civil manner. You seem put off by the fact that liberty-minded folk will hold supposed allies to account. Well I've got news for you, we do this because we are fighting for something worth fighting for. Liberty.

How much compromise is acceptable for you?

 

[soulcyon]

It's not an "interview" when you walk up to him out of nowhere and push questions on him :\

thats just douchebaggery

 

[Crotale]

we are change , adam kokesh , alex jones are not going to stop until they tear this movement apart . i dont know if they will be successful but in the least they and there supporters have all but ruined this forum .

Your post reeks of collectivism.

 

[radiofriendly]

WeAreLame

This guy phrases his question with, "We know you're playing politics, but tell us...." and you expect Rand to submit to a taped conversation with someone like that?? knowing full well the bias intent of the guy who will control the selective editing of the video?

Plus, Rand has already talked to this guy several times and knows full well the attack mode that he, Kokesh and Alex Jones are all in.

Folks, hate to break it to you, but there is a whole industry making money in the conspiracy peddling world. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy listening to Coast to Coast AM as much as the next guy, but don't form your world view from these people.

If you want to engage in the political process to advocate for rule-of-law and constitutional principles, take note: Distancing yourself from people motivated purely by pushing a grand conspiracy narrative intersecting all aspects of life, will be one of the wisest things you'll ever do.

If you think these guys should be leading a political movement, you probably need a very long vacation.