Rand Paul Confronted on Mitt Romney Endorsement by wearechange

[Brett85]

If it is the best thing for the movement then why hasn't Ron Paul endorsed Romney too?

Rand Paul revealed he is not one of us with that endorsement. Sorry, but those are the cold hard facts.

The fact that Ron Paul didn't win a single primary or caucus proves that his strategy failed. Rand is trying something different.

 

[whippoorwill]

Bump.

 

[Libertea Party]

No it isn't. That's kids who want to feel important and enjoy being assholes and harassing people. Sort of like TMZ.

 

[Southerner]

LOL!

 

[Aratus]

KY's Jake of PageOne is brainier than this Luke R dude with the roving camera

 

[donnay]

The fact that Ron Paul didn't win a single primary or caucus proves that his strategy failed. Rand is trying something different.

It couldn't be that the elections were rigged? No it couldn't possibly be. <Sarcasm OFF>

 

[Crotale]

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You return, respond to all the others replies but you seem to have ignored mine....

I asked you a direct question: how much compromise is acceptable for you?

 

[LibertyEagle]

You still support Rand despite his endorsement of Romney. May I remind you that Romney is a big government candidate? He supports NDAA, the Drones, big taxes, Wall Steet Cronyism, illegal wars and the counterfeiters of the Federal Reserve. An endorsement of Romney is an endorsement of the violent gang calling themselves the government.

That is your opinion.

Your steadfast defence of Rand is condoning the endorsement of violence so don't even try pull the 'violence' card.

Nope. I stated a fact.

Because it was a small vocal minority of irrational idiots who posted things like that. You could count them on one hand.

I saw quite a few. But, even beyond them, there were also all the comments calling him a TRAITOR and worse.

I oppose Rand's endorsement, as do the majority of liberty activists.

Agreed.

The tone of you posts (not just this one but I've been going through your post history, it is a common theme) are trying to paint the R3VOLUTION as violent thugs who threatened Rand. We're not. Just because we have integrity, principles and aren't willing to compromise on our values because we understand that those who stand for nothing will sell-out for anything - doesn't mean that we are violent and hypocritical towards those who would rather sell out.

Some are and some are not. And no, I am not attempting to paint this movement as anything. What's more, this forum does not represent "the movement". Considering how many people acted after the endorsement, it's a good thing.

Yes, there were a few prats who hurled abuse and let their emotions override their senses. They are a tiny minority. The majority of individuals in the R3VOLUTION are disgusted at this betrayal and have questioned Rand is a civil manner. You seem put off by the fact that liberty-minded folk will hold supposed allies to account. Well I've got news for you, we do this because we are fighting for something worth fighting for. Liberty.

Actually, all you are doing is blathering on an internet forum.

How much compromise is acceptable for you?

I'm not compromising. I'm just not willing to kick Rand to the curb for something as stupid as a meaningless endorsement.

 

[Revolution9]

MORE "Sheeple" and FEWER Liberty Lovers is now a GOOD thing?

I know, I know . . . YES, IF YOU WANNA WIN!!

They have begun the conversion process. It sticks unlike most of the other political garbage. Your boy included.

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

That is not true.

They have different roles, as Grinch said. Ron couldn't get much of anything implemented, but he was able to open the eyes of a number of people. Interestingly enough, it was largely leftists and independents. Now we have to get the traditional conservatives. Ron wasn't too successful at that, I think because he used way too leftist jargon. It made conservatives ears shut. Rand will be able to get them to listen. I've heard him explain part of the message to conservatives and they will cheer, when with Ron they just shake their heads in misunderstanding.

Ron is the purity gauge.

Rand is the implementer.

We need both.

Note: I understand that you want another Ron. But, they come along maybe once in a lifetime. That is, if you are very lucky. I am in my 50s and he is the only one of his type that I have seen. And as much as you love him, he wasn't able to get legislation through. We need that. If we want to get things turned around.

Please give Rand a chance. We do way too much shooting of our own guys.

Pay attention to LE here. She is a pain in the butt sometimes but that is her job. Most of the hard core sticklers do not have the same bulldog grip on anything in their lives except this nitter nattering of Rand Paul.. It is obvious due to the amount of thought experiment that is engendered in their outbursts. Luke deserved no reply. Seems you young farts don't know anything about civility and manners. If he was really a journalist he would have made an appointment el pronto and got an in depth interview instead of the street mugging attempt he filmed and is trying to pass off as journalism..



Rev9

 

[Brett85]

It couldn't be that the elections were rigged? No it couldn't possibly be. <Sarcasm OFF>

No, would you have claimed that the elections were rigged if Ron had won? The election results were almost exactly the same as the polls showed, so your conspiracy theory would also have to extend to rigged polling data.

 

[Dianne]

Well, I will never support Rand Paul he is done in my book. Sell OUT!!

We The People are the Ron Paul R3volution!!

Same with me. Endorsing Romney was bad, enough; but the insults he hurled at us and his Dad's hardline supporters was totally uncalled for !!

 

[donnay]

No, would you have claimed that the elections were rigged if Ron had won?

Yes! I would have claimed the voting is rigged even if Ron Paul won because he is anti-establishment. The establishment has control, if you cannot see that you are in denial. Dr. Paul's message, alone, should have made you see this for the last five years, let alone the past thirty he has been basically the lone voice in Congress. Have you not been paying attention?

The election results were almost exactly the same as the polls showed, so your conspiracy theory would also have to extend to rigged polling data.

If they can rig an election, which has been proven they can, why couldn't they rig the polls? Do you honestly think the powerful elite are going to give up their power structure easily? That is what I loved about Dr. Paul's message, he was making people aware of their liberties lost and one of them as been the liberty to choose a person who will represent us the most.

Here are some examples of the first polls that came out and yet the results were not even close...

As his poll numbers climb, so the does commitment of Ron Paul’s Iowa supporters
Ron Paul vaults to lead in two Iowa polls: Newt Gingrich in freefall
Iowa Poll Shows Paul-Romney-Santorum Dead Heat
Ron Paul, Just in the Nick of Time
Paul's serious challenge in Iowa could rock the GOP race
Paul leads in Iowa (PPP Poll -- Paul 23, Romney 20, Gingrich 14, Perry 10)
MAINE CAUCUS --- WatchTheVote2012 Results
Ron Paul Takes Commanding Early Lead in Maine Caucus [Paul 43% Over Romney 33%]




And the narrative from the corporate controlled media was if Ron Paul wins Iowa, the caucus will not matter. When the corporate controlled media set the narrative it is easier to rig the election.

Let's not forget governor Glassley plea before Iowa's state convention:

U.S. Sen. Chuck Grassley said today he’ll make an appeal for party unity at this weekend’s state convention of the Iowa Republican Party, which has seen Ron Paul loyalists dominate the organization’s management structure.

Some Republicans think it would be an embarrassment if Paul gets the most national delegates from Iowa as Mitt Romney sails towards capturing the Republican Party nomination at the party’s national convention at Tampa, Fla., in August. Romney was originally declared the winner of January’s Iowa GOP caucuses, but former Sen. Rick Santorum was later confirmed as the victor by party officials.

“I am going to have a message to all of the delegates, not just to the Paul people, that we have to join arms in order to win this election and carry Iowa,” Grassley said.

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/d...te-convention/

Well we can't be an embarrassment now can we? Ron Paul supporters were made to feel like they were the proverbial red-headed step child. Are you made yet? You should be.

I guess Rand wasn't paying attention either. Oh I know it is some super stealth way of getting into the GOP to be heard and right the wrongs--yeah riiiight. If we keep telling ourselves that over and over again then it must be true, right?

Isn't it time we stop kidding ourselves and move forward to advance liberty? By waking people up to the fact that, we have a corrupted group that has taken over the system, hijacked our government to advance total tyranny. Otherwise it is politics as usual and more of the same and the end of our liberties.


Are you mad yet? You should be. I have chosen to take my angry and turn it into passion for liberty and press forward. I will not delude myself into thinking we can play a corrupt system.

 

[SilentBull]

Real journalism? LOL! How about Bilderberg Journalism? Rand's endorsement is the best thing for this movement, why? Because there are some of us, like Rand, who heard Ron's call to work and influence the Republican party, then there is the rest of us.

Don't waste your time explaining this to people. Some people really think this movement is their own personal club. It's just something for them to do. They don't really want things to change.

 

[Brett85]

If Ron Paul is so anti establishment that the establishment resorts to rigging the vote against him, why didn't they rig the vote against him every time he ran for Congress? You would think that the "establishment" would've wanted to get Ron out of Congress and would've rigged the vote to make him lose his Congressional race.

 

[donnay]

If Ron Paul is so anti establishment that the establishment resorts to rigging the vote against him, why didn't they rig the vote against him every time he ran for Congress? You would think that the "establishment" would've wanted to get Ron out of Congress and would've rigged the vote to make him lose his Congressional race.

Because the power elite had the other 534 members in their pocket, he posed no threat. It's clear, to those paying attention, he started to pose a threat with his first Republican Presidential campaign, that is why he was constantly marginalized and dismissed as a kook.

 

[Crotale]

You still support Rand despite his endorsement of Romney. May I remind you that Romney is a big government candidate? He supports NDAA, the Drones, big taxes, Wall Steet Cronyism, illegal wars and the counterfeiters of the Federal Reserve. An endorsement of Romney is an endorsement of the violent gang calling themselves the government.

That is your opinion.

Er no, it's fact. Are you trying to suggest Romney isn't a big government candidate?

 

[Crotale]

Bump.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Er no, it's fact. Are you trying to suggest Romney isn't a big government candidate?

No, you are wrong about your inferences about Rand.

 

[jmdrake]

Ha, his dad wasn't afraid to answer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTBqCYqZE40

Let's see. I didn't see Ron Paul asked the question "Why did your son endorse Bilderberg attendee Mitt Romney". Rand already answered the general question about the Bilderberg group prior to the endorsement the same way Ron did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9sctUOlOw8

All of the "Rand is betraying us" folks are afraid to ask the really tough question of Ron which is did Rand do what he did with your blessing? The follow up question is Why didn't you attack Romney during the campaign? Either we trust both of the Pauls or we trust neither of them. Better yet don't "trust" anybody. Analyze each action individually and hope for the best.