Ranchers vs BLM Oregon this time

[GunnyFreedom]

didn't militia groups from across the country go to Bundy's Ranch?...

You mean where they were invited and wanted?

 

[jllundqu]

don't you think that by 'taking' over a deserted vistor center with open doors, is now getting much needed and embarrassing media attention towards the Feds, is actually working. Its now all over the cable news and internet....bearing fruit my friend. Stay tuned, and keep your powder dry.

Yeah and instead of the headline being, "Hammons fight unjust sentencing" etc... the headline is "Armed Militia Takes Over Federal Building!" Driving the narrative that serves TPTB and away from the Hammons plight.

 

[JK/SEA]

You think it was too cold in Southern Nevada so they had to go invade Eastern Oregon? 50° highs are too cold so let's go where the highs are in the 20's?

thats why i said ''dunno''...

i understand why some milita troopers didn't go....too 'hot' in Oregon?....lol..

 

[nobody's_hero]

don't you think that by 'taking' over a deserted vistor center with open doors, is now getting much needed and embarrassing media attention towards the Feds, is actually working. Its now all over the cable news and internet....bearing fruit my friend. Stay tuned, and keep your powder dry.

I have to admit that I've not heard anything about the Hammonds situation until the militia took over a hut, and on RPF we usually hear about things before they are news (and even things that never become news).

Of course I'll do my homework on the issue and find out what led up to this, while most of America will hear about it for the first time and decide they're terrorists because media.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I have to admit that I've not heard anything about the Hammonds situation until the militia took over a hut.

I sure had. I was actively advocating for the Hammonds.

Of course I'll do my homework on the issue and find out what led up to this, while most of America will hear about it for the first time and decide they're terrorists because media.

Media and most Americans are ignorant. And getting worse by the hour.

 

[Schifference]

If I were the Hammond's I would think it were great that another entity was taking up my cause. On the outside they say "Oh we plan to turn ourselves in and do our time" but then all the attention is brought to the issue and they were compliant and not involved.

 

[JK/SEA]

Yeah and instead of the headline being, "Hammons fight unjust sentencing" etc... the headline is "Armed Militia Takes Over Federal Building!" Driving the narrative that serves TPTB and away from the Hammons plight.

soo, what you're saying is, that in the upcoming negotiations with the Feds, the 2 hammonds that were violated by the government, will not be part of the negotiations to perhaps dismiss the charges?...will see, but i'm thinking it will.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

thats why i said ''dunno''...

i understand why some milita troopers didn't go....too 'hot' in Oregon?....lol..

Yeah, some guy who did combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan is too scared that he can't handle the action in Oregon. Or maybe he just has sense and principles that you don't go shitting in someone's back yard where you aren't wanted.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

If I were the Hammond's I would think it were great that another entity was taking up my cause. On the outside they say "Oh we plan to turn ourselves in and do our time" but then all the attention is brought to the issue and they were compliant and not involved.

That's not what they said. They specifically told the Bundy's to stay out of it. All fedgov asked of them was to stay quiet, but they didn't stay quiet, they actively told the Bundy's to stay out. Plus the actual militia groups in Oregon likewise do not approve.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

soo, what you're saying is, that in the upcoming negotiations with the Feds, the 2 hammonds that were violated by the government, will not be part of the negotiations to perhaps dismiss the charges?...will see, but i'm thinking it will.

Throughout the 200+ year history of the United States, whenever an armed group demands that the US release prisoners, the US inevitably makes those prisoners lives more miserable than they already were. The US has never once in all of our history ceded to such demands. The only time we have released prisoners was to secure the release of hostages ala Bowe Bergdahl.

 

[JK/SEA]

That's not what they said. They specifically told the Bundy's to stay out of it. All fedgov asked of them was to stay quiet, but they didn't stay quiet, they actively told the Bundy's to stay out. Plus the actual militia groups in Oregon likewise do not approve.

some people play checkers, while others play chess.

i guess we will have to wait and see if this OP bears fruit.

 

[JK/SEA]

Throughout the 200+ year history of the United States, whenever an armed group demands that the US release prisoners, the US inevitably makes those prisoners lives more miserable than they already were. The US has never once in all of our history ceded to such demands. The only time we have released prisoners was to secure the release of hostages ala Bowe Bergdahl.

will shall see...btw, this mission is not in Iraq.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

some people play checkers, while others play chess.

i guess we will have to wait and see if this OP bears fruit.

Wait, so you think it is smart strategy to shit on other people's states unwanted and uninvited? That people who would rather respect the wishes of the local militias are "playing checkers" while the people who just want to shit all over them are "playing chess?" Are you seriously trying to argue that violating State sovereignty is an intelligent strategy while respecting State sovereignty is a dumb strategy?

 

[Schifference]

That's not what they said. They specifically told the Bundy's to stay out of it. All fedgov asked of them was to stay quiet, but they didn't stay quiet, they actively told the Bundy's to stay out. Plus the actual militia groups in Oregon likewise do not approve.

So they telling Bundy's to stay out exonerates them from any wrongdoing associated with the situation.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

will shall see...btw, this mission is not in Iraq.

You are the one who argued people were too cowardly to join.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

So they telling Bundy's to stay out exonerates them from any wrongdoing associated with the situation.

You don't get to make that assumption, and neither does Ammon Bundy. if ANYONE gets to make that assumption, it's the OREGON militias.

 

[JK/SEA]

You mean where they were invited and wanted?

i think we're getting past the 'invite' stage...shits getting real more and more everyday...agreed?

 

[JK/SEA]

You don't get to make that assumption, and neither does Ammon Bundy. if ANYONE gets to make that assumption, it's the OREGON militias.

so, when something as disgusting as this Hammond case is concerned, someone has to send invitations in all future actions otherwise you're on your own...nice to know...

 

[Schifference]

You don't get to make that assumption, and neither does Ammon Bundy. if ANYONE gets to make that assumption, it's the OREGON militias.

So the militias should organize and have the heads of the militias get together for meetings to make decisions.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

i think we're getting past the 'invite' stage...shits getting real more and more everyday...agreed?

You don't get to walk in uninvited no matter how real the shit's gotten.

so, when something as disgusting as this Hammond case is concerned, someone has to send invitations in all future actions otherwise you're on your own...nice to know...

If you are wanted, go. If you are unwanted, don't. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?