Ranchers vs BLM Oregon this time

[GunnyFreedom]

Gunny lives too far away. Not his fault.

I'm citing the guy who lives in Oregon, and who participated in Bundy Ranch and who participated in Sugar Pines Mine.

 

[JK/SEA]

Opposition to Ammon Bundy does not imply not giving a shit about the Hammonds. Logic, you should try it.

You tote a rifle on my property without my permission and you are going to find yourself missing half your grey matter.

the miltia group IS NOT on Hammond property as we speak, they are on FEDERAL LAND. Harney county is 75% owned by the FEDS...

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Constitutionally, a militia could only operate out of state if called into the actual service of the United States. You might argue there is also provision if necessary to repel an invasion ....

When you are a militia that claims Constitutional protections, you are also bound by Constitutional restrictions.

This. 1000 times this. People want to act like States do not exist. People are getting pissed at me because I respect State sovereignty. I thought nearly all of us respected State sovereignty, but I guess most of these folks are just fine with pissing on sovereign States whenever it emotionally 'feels good.'

 

[nobody's_hero]

This is what's pissing me off. It's all going to devolve into a bunch "racism" "white people are blah blah blah " arguments, instead of covering the government's persecution of people they want to steal property from.
Look at the governments response when they decided to set fires on a warm, dry day after the local weather department advised against it, and ranchers begged them not to! The fire spread to several private properties destroying property, fences, and killing animals.

Already happened a few pages back in this very thread.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Logic...thats a good one.

frankly, if you don't like the BLM, then why are so-called miltias doing everything they can to make sure this Hammond issue is swept under the rug?

I respect State sovereignty. Oregon didn't want them. That should be enough. But you just go on and invent bullshit you want me to believe because it makes it easier to hate your strawman.

 

[JK/SEA]

Which begs the questions: Who are they? How does one "vet" a militia? Is there any historical background on said militia? Do we even know if they are 'legit'? Has it been established that they have a history, etc.?

you have to get permission from OathKeepers. They have a list.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Which begs the questions: Who are they? How does one "vet" a militia? Is there any historical background on said militia? Do we even know if they are 'legit'? Has it been established that they have a history, etc.?

there are plenty of well known and respected militia groups in Oregon with a solid history.

 

[JK/SEA]

I respect State sovereignty. Oregon didn't want them. That should be enough. But you just go on and invent bullshit you want me to believe because it makes it easier to hate your strawman.

State Sovreignty?....even on Federal Land?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

you have to get permission from OathKeepers. They have a list.

This is just ignorant.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

even if the cancer is spreading...got it.

If it's not your State, then you don't get to make that call.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

the miltia group IS NOT on Hammond property as we speak, they are on FEDERAL LAND. Harney county is 75% owned by the FEDS...

Which resides in the STATE of Oregon, which STATE has active militia.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

State Sovreignty?....even on Federal Land?

The States have sovereignty within their borders, even over federal land.

 

[69360]

I saw another one. They are also refering to these guys now as #vanillaISIS

That is awesome even if I don't agree with it.

 

[JK/SEA]

The States have sovereignty within their borders, even over federal land.

ok.

bottomline for me is i'm very glad someone is doing 'something' to get this issue up front.

 

[Origanalist]

ok.

bottomline for me is i'm very glad someone is doing 'something' to get this issue up front.

The same could be said for what you're saying. You're saying if Oregon doesn't want them to bad because Federal.....

That sounds a bit like ol' honest Abe.

 

[Deborah K]

there are plenty of well known and respected militia groups in Oregon with a solid history.

I'm sure there are. What I'm getting at, is whether the out of state militia (in question) is legit. You know, are we sure it's not a false flag issue? What is known about the out of state militia?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

ok.

bottomline for me is i'm very glad someone is doing 'something' to get this issue up front.

The love of "doing something" is the root of all kinds of evil.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I'm sure there are. What I'm getting at, is whether the out of state militia (in question) is legit. You know, are we sure it's not a false flag issue? What is known about the out of state militia?

I think Ammon Bundy is sincere enough. His man Payne though may be a fedgov stooge.

 

[JK/SEA]

The same could be said for what you're saying. You're saying if Oregon doesn't want them to bad because Federal.....

That sounds a bit like ol' honest Abe.

no, the argument was States rights. Apparently i was mistaken about the Feds having complete jurisdiction over land they claim to own...but they really dont...apparently.

fyi...a new vid has been up-loaded from the Bundy group. A different rancher in the area is asking for help now.

 

[JK/SEA]

The love of "doing something" is the root of all kinds of evil.

no mercy eh?...pretty sure you don't know all of whats going on behind the scene, and neither do i, but my conscience says the Hammonds need help whether they know it or not...lots of stuff to figure out, but its getting more clear the average patriot can't count on the miltia and their white horses for much of anything at this time.