Proposal for an international liberty caucus

[Deborah K]

Just link me to it. You dont have to post the actual photo.

Okay, it's 61.D http://www.dreamstime.com/search.ph...1=y&s_mrc2=y&s_mrc3=y&s_mrc4=y&s_mrc5=y&pg=13

It's actually not the one I had in mind. There's a better one but I'll have to search for it.

Edit. I just looked at this picture again and they have changed it's identifying number.

 

[Joe3113]

Okay, it's 61.D http://www.dreamstime.com/search.ph...1=y&s_mrc2=y&s_mrc3=y&s_mrc4=y&s_mrc5=y&pg=13

It's actually not the one I had in mind. There's a better one but I'll have to search for it.

Well if graphics designers want anything bought from that site they can contact me and I will pay for it.

 

[Deborah K]

Could our R3VOLUTION logo fit in as well? Is that too much?

And i agree... the earth could be a good theme for the site.

I'm okay with it. Especially in light of the fact that we will be 'recruiting' world wide supporters of Ron Paul. Is there any way we can access the contacts on this map?

 

[Joe3113]

Bed time in Australia. Back in 8 hours.

 

[Original_Intent]

I have been thinking along these same lines since last night when I watched the gentleman in parlliament rip the PM a new one.

Names I have been thinking of is "Internaional Liberty Movement" or "International Liberty Front".

Instead of a "Free State Project" we may just end up with a "Free Nation Project"!!!

Anyone know any small countries with a good climate that we could take over??

This MUST take off! Love the ideas so far - "Untied Nations" SWEET!

edit: what is that website run by the author of "Creature from Jekyll Island" - G Edward Griffin? I know he has some kind of international freedom thing going that when I looked into it seemed pretty cool.

Found it. http://www.freedom-force.org/

Freedom Force International. Not that it would hurt to have something fresh and new, but also no need to reinvent the wheel if this is what you have in mind...

 

[Deborah K]

Bed time in Australia. Back in 8 hours.

Blessings.

 

[Deborah K]

Found it. http://www.freedom-force.org/

Freedom Force International. Not that it would hurt to have something fresh and new, but also no need to reinvent the wheel if this is what you have in mind...

This is a good point and one that I mention in my first post. Two things though, one is, Ed's goals are a little different. I believe his focus is more on education and less on action. http://www.freedom-force.org/freedom.cfm?fuseaction=activities

I don't know about the others, but for me I see this 'movement' as ACTUAL movement! Organizing events that are directed at actually influencing policy. That's why we plan to contact like minded political figures. Imagine, if we can get enough momentum, planning a world-wide event all on the same day, where people rally, with their like-minded representatives, on the steps of their government buildings. - as one example - btw, has that ever been done?

I think it will be important however, (and I know this from organizing the Revmarch) that we and our representatives must never engage in negative responses to attacks ( and we WILL be attacked). That has to be the #1 policy.

Also, I hope that we are inclusive rather than exclusive when it comes to a wide range of ideas and philosophies with regard to liberty. What we may find that works for us in America, may not be what they want in Canada, or France, etc. I'm just saying that there are so many different cultures in the world that it would be a mistake to condemn the French people - the ones who would join our efforts - for hating guns, (as an example).

I guess all of this will come out in the wash when we debate the mission statement.

 

[ClayTrainor]

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I don't know about the others, but for me I see this 'movement' as ACTUAL movement!

This other is with you

Organizing events that are directed at actually influencing policy. That's why we plan to contact like minded political figures. Imagine, if we can get enough momentum, planning a world-wide event all on the same day, where people rally, with their like-minded representatives, on the steps of their government buildings. - as one example - btw, has that ever been done?

Not sure if it has been done, but just thinking about the concept gives me chills (The good kind)

I think it will be important however, (and I know this from organizing the Revmarch) that we and our representatives must never engage in negative responses to attacks ( and we WILL be attacked). That has to be the #1 policy.

We must maintain the higher ground. Daniel's behavior on Channel 4 is something to take note of. he just laughed at the guy who flatout insulted him, and didn't even bother acknowledging him when he talked, he just stuck to the issues.

Also, I hope that we are inclusive rather than exclusive when it comes to a wide range of ideas and philosophies with regard to liberty. What we may find that works for us in America, may not be what they want in Canada, or France, etc. I'm just saying that there are so many different cultures in the world that it would be a mistake to condemn the French people - the ones who would join our efforts - for hating guns, (as an example).

I agree to an extent, but we need to have firm principles, not wishy washy, kinda-sorta ones.

I guess all of this will come out in the wash when we debate the mission statement.

Yea, we definitely need to fire up a debate thread on our mission statement at some point.

Anyways, I think i need to take a nap, i've been working on random projects all night.

I'm really looking forward to watching this idea progress.

 

[Deborah K]

Happy napping, Clay. Awesome one that you are!

 

[Xenophage]

I love this idea.

Freedom isn't just an American thing.

I mean, sure, we look the best DOING it... Australians have a hard time moving around inside their mother's pouches.

 

[Original_Intent]

This other is with you


Not sure if it has been done, but just thinking about the concept gives me chills (The good kind)



We must maintain the higher ground. Daniel's behavior on Channel 4 is something to take note of. he just laughed at the guy who flatout insulted him, and didn't even bother acknowledging him when he talked, he just stuck to the issues.



I agree to an extent, but we need to have firm principles, not wishy washy, kinda-sorta ones.



Yea, we definitely need to fire up a debate thread on our mission statement at some point.

Anyways, I think i need to take a nap, i've been working on random projects all night.

I'm really looking forward to watching this idea progress.

One thing I would like to see in the statement of principles.

"We accept the individual's right to worship whoever or whatever they wish, including nothing at all, as long as those beliefs do not infringe on the rights of others. This movement is not the forum for the proselytizing of any particular religious or spiritual point of view. "

Or something along those lines. I really feel that has been a divisive and unnecessary crack in the RPF. G Edward Griffin has something similar on his site, basically telling people to leave those views at the door. I am sure he worded it far better than I did above.

 

[RCA]

Isn't this already a "global" liberty movement?

http://www.freedom-force.org/

 

[Deborah K]

Isn't this already a "global" liberty movement?

http://www.freedom-force.org/

See below:

Originally Posted by Original_Intent
Found it. http://www.freedom-force.org/

Freedom Force International. Not that it would hurt to have something fresh and new, but also no need to reinvent the wheel if this is what you have in mind...

This is a good point and one that I mention in my first post. Two things though, one is, Ed's goals are a little different. I believe his focus is more on education and less on action. http://www.freedom-force.org/freedom.cfm?fuseaction=activities

I don't know about the others, but for me I see this 'movement' as ACTUAL movement! Organizing events that are directed at actually influencing policy. That's why we plan to contact like minded political figures. Imagine, if we can get enough momentum, planning a world-wide event all on the same day, where people rally, with their like-minded representatives, on the steps of their government buildings. - as one example - btw, has that ever been done?

I think it will be important however, (and I know this from organizing the Revmarch) that we and our representatives must never engage in negative responses to attacks ( and we WILL be attacked). That has to be the #1 policy.

Also, I hope that we are inclusive rather than exclusive when it comes to a wide range of ideas and philosophies with regard to liberty. What we may find that works for us in America, may not be what they want in Canada, or France, etc. I'm just saying that there are so many different cultures in the world that it would be a mistake to condemn the French people - the ones who would join our efforts - for hating guns, (as an example).

I guess all of this will come out in the wash when we debate the mission statement.

 

[Deborah K]

One thing I would like to see in the statement of principles.

"We accept the individual's right to worship whoever or whatever they wish, including nothing at all, as long as those beliefs do not infringe on the rights of others. This movement is not the forum for the proselytizing of any particular religious or spiritual point of view. "

Or something along those lines. I really feel that has been a divisive and unnecessary crack in the RPF. G Edward Griffin has something similar on his site, basically telling people to leave those views at the door. I am sure he worded it far better than I did above.

Agreed. The basic tenet should be: Freedom to do what you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

Or something that more eloquently encompasses the above.

 

[Moxxar]

The likely nations involved would be the english-speaking former British colonies who have tradition of liberty ...

Canada, US, Australia, New Zealand, UK ....... The Anglosphere


Its unlikely the socialists in South America, Africa, Asia and Continental Europe are gonna have alot of folks interested.

Wow, not so fast you crazy Aussi!

Don't count out the Dutch libertarians...

(all 50 of us...)

 

[reduen]

Everyone can agree on small government and anti-war.

This is an absolute must for me. In today’s world there is no room or reason for either of these.

Just because one believes a certain thing to be unattainable (a world without war) does not make it so and more importantly it does not mean that one should cease working toward that end.

I believe the concepts of Liberty and Self-Governance should definitely be the rallying point of this project...

Small Government = Big Deal

 

[Deborah K]

This is an absolute must for me. In today’s world there is no room or reason for either of these.

Just because one believes a certain thing to be unattainable (a world without war) does not make it so and more importantly it does not mean that one should cease working toward that end.

I believe the concepts of Liberty and Self-Governance should definitely be the rallying point of this project...

Small Government = Big Deal

Along with dismantling the United Nations. If we don't do them in, there WILL be a NWO and our sovereignty, or self governance as you put it, will be right out the door with our liberty.

 

[reduen]

One thing I would like to see in the statement of principles.

"We accept the individual's right to worship whoever or whatever they wish, including nothing at all, as long as those beliefs do not infringe on the rights of others. This movement is not the forum for the proselytizing of any particular religious or spiritual point of view. "

Or something along those lines. I really feel that has been a divisive and unnecessary crack in the RPF. G Edward Griffin has something similar on his site, basically telling people to leave those views at the door. I am sure he worded it far better than I did above.

I am a Christian and I am ok with this. I do believe that we must come to an agreement on one thing however and that is the sanctity of life. (That means every life..)

No matter whether you believe that life was created or just evolved I believe that we must rally around the idea that one's very existence affords them certain inalienable rights! (Life, liberty, etc...)

If life is to be truly protected, then one must have a definitive description of what life is and exactly when it begins. (When does one begin to exist?) I believe that it is at the point of conception but maybe we could come to an agreement of a certain point in the gestation period or something so that this subject no longer divides us.

This does not mean that personally I would not try to dissuade others from any form of abortion of course but as a matter of law I really feel that this issue must be agreed to..

 

[reduen]

Along with dismantling the United Nations. If we don't do them in, there WILL be a NWO and our sovereignty, or self governance as you put it, will be right out the door with our liberty.

One thought here is that Nations United seems to be our goal but united for what is the question... I would argue it to be Nations United to the cause of Liberty.

Just a thought though...

 

[Chase]

* Global Warming is a fraud

How about restating that as an opposition to global warming / climate change legislation? We shouldn't exclude any liberty lovers that are concerned about global warming, so long as they don't want to use the state to engage in social engineering...