Police officers shot in Las Vegas

Do I really need to say it? Do I?

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eta: Boxer (shocker) just introduced a bill to allow federal "firearms restraining orders". Family and others would be able to obtain a court order barring someone that would otherwise be free to purchase a firearm from buying a gun and/or ammo and also provide for the gov't to seize firearms from a person that otherwise would not be barred from possession.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...tein-introduces-federal-bill-confiscate-guns/

https://www.boxer.senate.gov/en/press/releases/053014.cfm

The new legislation – The Pause for Safety Act – will include the following provisions:

• One, it would help ensure that families and others can go to court and seek a gun violence prevention order to temporarily stop someone close to them who poses a danger to themselves or others from purchasing a firearm.
• Two, it would help ensure that families and others can also seek a gun violence prevention warrant that would allow law enforcement to take temporary possession of firearms that have already been purchased if a court determines that the individual poses a threat to themselves or others (like Boxer herself?).
• Three, it would help ensure that law enforcement makes full use of all existing gun registries when assessing a tip, warning or request from a concerned family member or other close associate.

All of these "shootings" are to further the gun ban agenda.
 
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Despite numerous tragedies, I haven't heard of a single federal gun restriction signed into law since Obama became president (I do remember the hysteria that he was going to take everbody's guns away so there was a huge surge in buying after he was elected which the gun dealers loved).
 
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Despite numerous tragedies, I haven't heard of a single gun restriction signed into law since Obama became president (I do remember the hysteria that he was going to take everbody's guns away so there was a huge surge in buying after he was elected which the gun dealers loved).

There have been a great many restrictions passed.
Connecticut is just one,, New York another,, and of course California.
And there has been a lot of push back,, In several States.. as well as shit being proposed in Washington.

That push-back very nearly became ugly.

All of these "shootings" are to further the gun ban agenda.

I expect so,, this one stinks on first sniff.
 
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Despite numerous tragedies, I haven't heard of a single federal gun restriction signed into law since Obama became president (I do remember the hysteria that he was going to take everbody's guns away so there was a huge surge in buying after he was elected which the gun dealers loved).

As Pete already noted there have been numerous restrictions passed in NY, CT, NJ and MA.

But I thought polls showed a decreasing number of households with guns?
 
And before anybody starts muttering about a "War on Cops"...

Total gunfire deaths of cops so far this year?

19

Increase from last year at this time, which was a century old record low?

19%

I almost started feeling bad, until:

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And before anybody starts muttering about a "War on Cops"...

Total gunfire deaths of cops so far this year?

19

Increase from last year at this time, which was a century old record low?

19%

I almost started feeling bad, until:

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Drug users made them do it. Fuck those drug users for forcing the police to grenade a baby.
 
Officers Id in this FB page.
https://www.facebook.com/LasVegasMetro/posts/10153070639260639

Today is a truly tragic day for our police department, and our community. Two LVMPD officers were shot and killed in the line of duty, ambushed while having lunch at a local pizza restaurant.
Killed in the attack were: Officer Alyn Beck (age 41) and Officer Igor Soldo (age 31). The attackers (a man and woman) then ran to a nearby Walmart store, where a third victim was shot and killed. Inside the store, the female suspect shot and killed the male suspect and then fatally shot herself. LVMPD Sheriff Doug Gillespie just addressed the media. We will post a link to his press conference shortly.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/two-cops-three-others-killed-las-vegas-shooting-spree-n125766
 
Yeah, I don't get it.
Why take the cops weapons and ammo only to commit suicide?
 
And before anybody starts muttering about a "War on Cops"...

Total gunfire deaths of cops so far this year?

19

Increase from last year at this time, which was a century old record low?

19%

I almost started feeling bad, until:

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Had they shot Sheriff Terrell, I wouldn't feel bad. I wouldn't endorse it, but I wouldn't feel bad.

But... what were these cops doing that somebody felt the need to shoot them? If they were just minding their own business and some people just decided to shoot them because they're "the enemy" than that doesn't seem justified to me. Its one thing to defend yourself from a cop. Its another thing to attempt vigilante justice against a specific cop after he somehow ruins your life or someone else you know. Both of those actions I can respect. Its another thing entirely to preemptively attack a cop because he's likely to violate someone's rights at some future time. That doesn't seem right to me.
 
Had they shot Sheriff Terrell, I wouldn't feel bad. I wouldn't endorse it, but I wouldn't feel bad.

But... what were these cops doing that somebody felt the need to shoot them? If they were just minding their own business and some people just decided to shoot them because they're "the enemy" than that doesn't seem justified to me. Its one thing to defend yourself from a cop. Its another thing to attempt vigilante justice against a specific cop after he somehow ruins your life or someone else you know. Both of those actions I can respect. Its another thing entirely to preemptively attack a cop because he's likely to violate someone's rights at some future time. That doesn't seem right to me.

Christopher Cantwell wrote this on his blog:
People say the officers were “simply eating lunch” and so this was a clear cut case of murder. I could not disagree more. Those officers were merely taking a short break from the aggressions all police commit day in, and day out. Immediately after they got done with their break, they would inevitably have returned to their regular duties of harassing and extorting motorists, kidnapping people for possessing plants. They paid for their food, with money that was taken from people under the threats of violence that are taxation, and fines. While it’s a lot easier to draw the connection in something like the Justin Bourque incident, the fact remains that all police are aggressors. There is no such thing as a good cop.



I wonder when the next similar type cop shooting will be?
 
No tears here.........

Really? It's disturbing how cold people here are towards police. I'm no fan of law enforcement, and I practice the "don't talk to the police" method of protecting myself when needed, but assuming that all cops are so evil that they deserve to die is beyond ridiculous.

A couple of nuts killed 3 innocent people. All were human beings and none deserved to die.

"Beck was a senior patrol officer who had taught Advanced Officer Skills Training and at the Metro academy. He was hired by Metro in 2001 and had a wife and three children.

Soldo has been a Metro officer since 2006 and had a wife and baby. Both were uniform patrol officers assigned to the Northeast Area Command."
 
Christopher Cantwell wrote this on his blog:




I wonder when the next similar type cop shooting will be?

You know, I can't say I don't understand his point. I'd at least be contemplating a "not guilty" vote in any such case (I'd have a tough time with it though because there's no way I can know the person in question is actually an ideological libertarian as opposed to somebody who just wanted to kill somebody.)

That said, I have a couple of issues with Cantwell's argument.

First of all, simply the method by which the police get paid isn't relevant. If you know somebody is in college via Federal financial aid, is that just cause to kill them? Can we justifiably break into an IRS building and shoot all of its employees? We've had a few robberies of veterans mentioned on these forums, were they actually not crimes? After all, "veterans" volunteered to kill for the State, does that now make any crime that one would want to commit against them justified? Or are cops special for some reason? Is it only cops that we can target 24/7, or any government worker?

Another issue I have with it, from a moral perspective, is that I don't think most cops realize how evil what they are doing is. That isn't an excuse for them, but it does make me not want to kill them. I feel differently about people who clearly know what they are doing is heinously wrong. Take the case of those prison guards who burned some mentally ill prisoner to death. There's no way society has been conditioned to the point where anyone seriously thought that was OK, and if anyone had been, we could easily make the argument that they are little more than animals at that point. But with regular policing actions, most people have just been conditioned into thinking those things are OK. If you're the victim, that certainly doesn't deny you the right to defend yourself. But if you don't want to, does some other random person have the right to do it on their behalf? If I get pulled over by a cop, and I know I'm effectively being temporarily kidnapped, but I decide to comply with his extortion rather than take his life, do you have a right to just go kill him because he bullied me, even though I decided to allow it to happen precisely because I did not want to end that man's life?

Mind you, I agree with Cantwell that there is no such thing as a "good cop." I do think that there are decent and otherwise likeable people who are cops and who don't understand the wickedness of what they do. I'd rather not kill them if at all possible. I feel a little differently about the blatantly corrupt ones who actively seek out opportunites to bully other people. Eric Peters once described "three categories" of cops. I forget what he called them, but I'll rename them here as drones, sociopaths, and the nice old guy. The drones basically just do what they're told. They assume that the law is right because its the law. They don't show much mercy as far as the law is concerned, but they don't go beyond it either. They're cogs in the machine, not even critically thinking about what they are doing. The sociopaths, by contrast, enjoy being able to hold massive amounts of control over other people, being able to rob, assault, and murder people at will. Eric describes these guys as the ones who would likely lead the charge in implementing America's version of the Holocaust. Those guys don't care about "the law" so much as they just care about their own control. Then there's the nice old guy cop, who's probably actually old, who's back from the old days before the police state, gives you breaks when he can, and is mostly just waiting around until he can retire.

Cantwell would probably just say that all of those guys are aggressors. And he's right. But I see a difference between the sociopaths and the other types. I see a difference, from a moral perspective, between somebody who knowingly does wicked things and somebody who does wicked things thinking they are good.

With all that said, I don't really know all the answers. There's no way I can justify shooting cops who are sitting there eating lunch, even though they might partake in aggressive action at a later date. A big part of the problem is that, while cops do indeed bully the innocent, that's not ALL they do. There are some real crimes that they arrest people for as well. And those real crimes make it easy for them to deceive themselves into thinking that "law enforcement" is generally a good thing, whereas most of it really isn't.

That said, I do think Cantwell is asking the right questions (And I think its cool to see someone who's more radical than me, I guess it just shows that I'm not totally nuts;)). I just can't quite go along with his answers.
 
Really? It's disturbing how cold people here are towards police. I'm no fan of law enforcement, and I practice the "don't talk to the police" method of protecting myself when needed, but assuming that all cops are so evil that they deserve to die is beyond ridiculous.

A couple of nuts killed 3 innocent people. All were human beings and none deserved to die.

"Beck was a senior patrol officer who had taught Advanced Officer Skills Training and at the Metro academy. He was hired by Metro in 2001 and had a wife and three children.

Soldo has been a Metro officer since 2006 and had a wife and baby. Both were uniform patrol officers assigned to the Northeast Area Command."

I don't think they deserved to die just because they were cops, but I do think that their being cops makes calling them "innocent" a questionable proposition, even from a legal perspective (they are, after all, chronic NAP violators.)

That said, I'm not sure how their families are relevant to this at all. Its possible for a capital criminal to have a family (unless you don't believe in the death penalty, of course, but even then, you get my point.) The primary reason I don't think all cops deserve to die is because I think most of them are fundamentally ignorant of how evil their careers are, and I think that some of them are likely decent people who don't realize that their career is evil. Even still, I see a huge distinction between using violence to end an unjustified act of aggression (even one that is legal and generally accepted) that a cop initiates against you, and shooting cops who are sitting there and eating lunch on the grounds that these people have acted in criminally aggressive ways toward other people. I would consider both to be morally questionable, but the first situation, to me, is not legally questionable (ie. I would vote not guilty in any situation in which a person was charged with killing a cop who was trying to arrest him for a victimless crime) but in the latter case, I think its NAP-questionable as well. I'd definitely need to have some questions answered before I could put that in the same category as, say, shooting at somebody who is trying to arrest you without just cause.
 
Just a disclaimer here primarily for NSA spies who are almost certainly reading, and possibly for any members who might take me out of context, everything I've posted in this thread about the "shooting cops" discussion is philosophizing about the logical implications about the NAP. I am not actually condoning shooting cops in any situation.
 
Really? It's disturbing how cold people here are towards police. I'm no fan of law enforcement, and I practice the "don't talk to the police" method of protecting myself when needed, but assuming that all cops are so evil that they deserve to die is beyond ridiculous.

A couple of nuts killed 3 innocent people. All were human beings and none deserved to die.

"Beck was a senior patrol officer who had taught Advanced Officer Skills Training and at the Metro academy. He was hired by Metro in 2001 and had a wife and three children.

Soldo has been a Metro officer since 2006 and had a wife and baby. Both were uniform patrol officers assigned to the Northeast Area Command."

Very little information in this to make any decisions on who did or didn't deserve to die..

And the very little information released does attempt to draw the narrative.

Who were these people? did they have any prior contact? Anything in common? And what about the girl critically injured in a car wreak? (in that area shortly before this shooting) Is that connected? Why were those two cops targeted? Were they targeted?

Was this a training Op that went sideways? Were two nuts psyched up into this? Were two "True Believers" souped up into this?

There are lots of questions and some serious investigation is due before any judgements are made..
And before you believe the media story without question,, remember that they lie,, a lot.
 
Is this another botched false-flag incident? Seriously, what was going on in there, several reports by witnesses that at least two warning were exclaimed prior to shots being fired, and one LEO is refilling a soda pop, while the other is apparently sitting at a table twiddling their thumbs?

A law enforcement official who has been briefed on the incident said an officer — unconfirmed reports indicate it was Soldo — was refilling a soft-drink when the female shooter approached him from behind and shot him in the head, killing him instantly.

Witnesses told police one yelled “This is the start of a revolution” before shooting the officers.

At a news conference at about 1 p.m. Assistant Sheriff Kevin McMahill said the male shooter, described as a tall white man, yelled “everyone get out” before shooting.


SMH:

Marlene Buck works at the Denny’s on Nellis across from Wal-Mart. She said she was impressed with how quickly Metro responded.

“It took less than fifteen minutes,” she said.


Classical instantaneous and subversive FBI involvement:

FBI officials would say little about their involvement in the investigation.


And, right on schedule, let us pin the racist hate crime, drug abusing, meth-head, gang-bangers directly on the “conspiracy theorist” liberty movement:

They then covered the officers with something that featured the Gadsden flag, a yellow banner with a coiled snake above the words, “Don’t tread on Me.”


And of course, we might as well kill two birds with one stone. Those damned BLM protesters are getting just a bit too uppity after all:

The man told Monroe he had been kicked off Cliven Bundy’s ranch 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas while people from throughout the U.S. gathered there in protest of a Bureau of Land Management roundup of Bundy’s cattle.


Oh, here we go, no wonder LEO’ are so anti-CCW/CCP, look who again steps up to the plate, bringing a swift end to the chaos of lawlessness. Add one more game-set-match for conceal carry.

One unconfirmed report is that the two exchanged gunfire with a citizen who was carrying a concealed weapon, and that one of the shooters was injured.
 
Shit, the one by me was SLAP FULL of ammo a couple of weeks ago, and my buddy just said it was today as well.

Weird.

Except anything in .22LR, right?

eta: Anyone else get a Pulp Fiction vibe from this story?

 
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