Police officers shot in Las Vegas

[liberty2897]

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sorry didn't mean to kill discussion.

 

[Pericles]

Those funny anti-freedom folks won't "tread" on anything.

They'll send their proxies:

Which is why we need to make it clear that sending those proxies will have personal ramifications.

 

[devil21]

Las Vegas PD releases this video of the Walmart "shooting", with a straight face.



Come on. No muzzle flash, no recoil, nothing to indicate any gunshots. Looks fake as hell.

 

[Zippyjuan]

I see recoil from her shot. (about 18 seconds the pistol jumps up). How much muzzle flash would a pistol that size have and would such a crappy video image really be able to show it?

 

[Christian Liberty]

At the moment, I still think Larken had the most logical perspective of anybody. I can obviously understand why anybody who knew those cops personally would feel differently about it. But ultimately, I think Larken is right. We shouldn't be freaking out that "a cop" was killed. Two people, people who chose a wicked, parasitical line of work but nonetheless should not have been shot, were killed. We shouldn't mourn over them any more than we would had a plummer been shot, but it wasn't OK either.

 

[Thor]

Interesting talk from Kokesh on the issue in response to this:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/06/09/las-vegas-couple-shooting/10248805/

Jerad Miller and his wife, Amanda, loved super villains.

They walked about their Las Vegas apartment complex dressed as Batman villains, the Joker and his vampy sidekick Harley Quinn. Amanda Miller's Facebook profile photo shows the pair in their Joker costumes.

Police say it was a window into the couple's troubled lives. Underneath their painted faces, they were a homicidal rage against authority.

The couple opened fire Sunday in a Las Vegas pizza restaurant and killed two police officers, draping one body with a "don't tread on me" flag and a swastika. On another, they pinned a menacing note, authorities said Monday.

Then the couple fatally shot another man in a nearby Walmart before officers cornered them. At that point, police said, Amanda Miller, 22, shot her husband and then herself.

As the public reacts with horror, investigators are trying to piece together details on how the couple graduated from anti-government rhetoric to murder.

"To stop this oppression, I fear, can only be accomplished with bloodshed," Jerad Miller, 31, posted on Facebook on June 2. "I, however would rather die fighting for freedom, than live on my knees as a slave."

The couple's social media postings serve as an anatomy of their anti-government, pro-gun beliefs. Jerad Miller was particularly prolific about his hate against the government and police authority, often going on screeds against President Obama and gun restrictions.

The couple were part of a growing far-right, anti-government movement that has exploded in followers in recent years, said Mark Potok, senior fellow of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups.

The center was not monitoring Jerad and Amanda Miller specifically. But through the couple's Facebook postings and clues left at the bloody scene, it's clear they adhered to the anti-government "Patriot" movement," Potok said.

The Patriot movement, which was the name given to the militia trend of the 1990s, has seen its numbers soar from about 150 known groups before 2008 to more than 1,000 last year, he said. The election of President Obama in fall 2008 was a main catalyst for the rise of anti-government conspirators, Potok said.

"These are groups that believe the federal government is involved in a plot to impose martial law, take away people's weapons … and ultimately force the United States into becoming a socialist country," he said.

According to an analysis of Jerad Miller's Facebook postings by the center, the social media page was littered with signs of his allegiance to the Patriot movement: He cited Patriot guns right activist Adam Kokesh. He "liked" Three Percenter Nation, a Patriot group headed by a former Alabama militiaman, and his profile picture shows two knives and the word "Patriot," with a stars and stripes motif.

Also, the Gadsden flag left at the pizza parlor by Jerad Miller is an emblem of the Patriot movement, Potok said.

Patriot members today constitute one of the most dangerous threats monitored by the center, he said.

"The only terrorist threat we face is not just jihadist," Potok said. "We have a homegrown terrorist movement that poses a very serious threat."

Witnesses say the couple shouted, "this is a revolution" when they walked into the pizza restaurant. And they had sprinkled ominous warnings about their impending spree in the days – and hours – before their anti-government attack.

"The dawn of a new day," read a post on Jerad Miller's Facebook page from June 7. "May all of our coming sacrifices be worth it."

On the morning before they left home with a shopping cart of weapons and 100 rounds of ammunition, they had warned neighbors of their intentions, NBC News reported.

"We gotta do what we gotta do," Jerad Miller told Kelly Fielder, adding that he and his wife, Amanda, were departing for an "underground world."

Amanda Miller then embraced the neighbor and said, "I am so sorry,"

Fielder said she had heard Jerad Miller make anti-government statements in the past — including a desire to overthrow the government and President Obama and kill police officers — but was not alarmed by them, NBC News reported.

"I thought he was just all talk," Fielder, who described herself as Amanda's "best friend," told NBC Los Angeles.

It was talk the couple was not shy about sharing. They could be heard spewing racist and anti-government opinions, another neighbor told the Las Vegas Sun.

The duo told people they planned to commit a mass shooting, Brandon Moore, a resident of the complex, told the newspaper.

"They were handing out white-power propaganda and were talking about doing the next Columbine," Moore said.

The couple married in 2012 and lived in Lafayette, Indiana, where Amanda Miller's parents live. After they were evicted from their apartment, they moved to Las Vegas in January.

Jerad Miller had a troubled history that included a long record of arrests and convictions for drug offenses going back to 2007.

On Facebook, he professed support for Cliven Bundy, the cattle rancher cited for grazing his cattle on public land without a permit. He boasted of spending time at Bundy's ranch during a recent standoff there between armed militia members and federal government agents.

He railed against the landlord who evicted the couple in Indiana and against the prison system for incarcerating him.

"He was just weird, really weird," said Connie Kennedy, a neighbor in Lafayette. She said the first time she met Jerad Miller he rambled on about rampant pollution and America becoming a communist nation.

In July 2013, Jerad Miller posted teary videos on YouTube to his wife before he was sent back to jail for violating an in-house arrest.

"I wish the world was perfect and we could live happily without all this crap," he said.

Adam's 30 minute reply:

Is Adam responsible for Vegas cop murders?

 

[Valli6]

His disillusionment with Obama is what set him on the path to murder

Seen this post from AuH20?

Father: Jared Miller Campaigned For Barack Obama
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?453793-Father-Jared-Miller-Campaigned-For-Barack-Obama

He campaigned for Barack Obama. Guess he was never really much of a a white supremacist after all.
http://m.kirotv.com/news/news/man-las-vegas-shooting-rampage-has-local-connectio/ngHHj/

 

[ZENemy]

At the moment, I still think Larken had the most logical perspective of anybody. I can obviously understand why anybody who knew those cops personally would feel differently about it. But ultimately, I think Larken is right. We shouldn't be freaking out that "a cop" was killed. Two people, people who chose a wicked, parasitical line of work but nonetheless should not have been shot, were killed. We shouldn't mourn over them any more than we would had a plummer been shot, but it wasn't OK either.

Agreed.

I just wish Kelly Thomas would have gotten even half the emotional reaction as these fascist that were killed.

 

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

and the Troutdale kid was also name Jared ?

and that baldhead in AZ too ?

how close in time were the Las Vegas and Troutdale " incidents " ?

 

[Christian Liberty]

Agreed.

I just wish Kelly Thomas would have gotten even half the emotional reaction as these fascist that were killed.

Agreed.

I guess I'm somewhat in the middle on this one. I'm not with Cantwell, and I'm not with the rest of the country.

I view this situation as unfortunate. People were murdered. It happens every day. Its likely, though I won't say certain, that the people in question were jerks. Its also likely, though I won't say certain, that the killing was completely unjustified.

But to me, this isn't really any different than any other shooting of three people. Were the three people children, I'd probably be more upset, however irrational that might be.

By contrast, the Kelly Thomas thing absolutely ticked me off. It wasn't just the fact that somebody was beat to death, it was also the fact that government is completely out of control and does not bind itself by even its own unjust laws. There's no accountability at all. And that ticks me off.

Now, if, rather than being two random cops, this was the cop I know personally, I'd be more angry, even though I disagree with the profession and think participation in it is morally wrong. And I can understand the family and friends of these particular cops being angry. I can even see why the members of that community would be angry But, there's really no reason for the entire country to be angry, or for people on this forum to be angry. We aren't angry every time a shooting happens anywhere. For those who are, good for them (And I mean that sincerely.) For those who aren't, I don't see why its any different because it was a cop. And really, unless there was some specific reason for this attack in particular, its really no better either. More understandable, but not really any better. Killing cops who are eating lunch is completely useless unless those particular cops were exceptionally bad for some reason (again, say they were the murderers of Kelly Thomas.) Even then I don't exactly condone it, and I don't think it would accomplish anything, but then I'd definitely shrug my shoulders and say "got what they deserved." But otherwise, meh.

Yes, I'm more upset for Kelly Thomas than I am about this. I'd still have a hard time nullifying this if the evidence says he did it.

 

[devil21]

I see recoil from her shot. (about 18 seconds the pistol jumps up). How much muzzle flash would a pistol that size have and would such a crappy video image really be able to show it?

If it could capture what you allege is "recoil" then yes it would capture the muzzle flash too, if she really fired twice as it alleges. Never mind that I've never seen a pistol recoil to the left instead of recoiling upward. The video commentary, wherever that came from, says she then shoots herself but if you watch, she turns the gun toward herself but then turns it back away the moment before it fades to black.

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And then there's this little problem. The video, apparently released by the police, conflicts with the police's own statement that it was the cops that killed him, not the wife.
http://news.yahoo.com/las-vegas-gunman-killed-police-not-wife-authorities-192124662.html

 

[Weston White]

Yes, I'm more upset for Kelly Thomas than I am about this. I'd still have a hard time nullifying this if the evidence says he did it.

Let us not forget about, just naming a few of the many fallen under the tyranny of an out of control democratic governance: Jason Conoscenti, Kelvion Walker, Clinton Peterson, Victor White, III, Bobby Bennett, Chavis Carter, Oscar Grant, Fouad Kaady, Danziger Bridge—Hurricane Katrina, Henry Glover, 9/11, Branch Davidians, Ruby Ridge, Donald Scott, et al.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Let us not forget about, just naming a few of the many fallen under the tyranny of an out of control democratic governance: Jason Conoscenti, Kelvion Walker, Clinton Peterson, Victor White, III, Bobby Bennett, Chavis Carter, Oscar Grant, Fouad Kaady, Danziger Bridge—Hurricane Katrina, Henry Glover, 9/11, Branch Davidians, Ruby Ridge, Donald Scott, et al.

You forgot Miriam Carey.