Paul/Ventura '08 Ticket: Ultimate October Surprise (Please Sign the Petition and Bump

[Flash]

Then again about Ventura. On Alex Jones' show he said America was becoming like East Berlin by trying to stop Mexican illegal immigration.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

okay, fine.... you're probably right but, in the spirit of this thread, your just bringing down the mood.

All we're saying is it would be a badass ticket, and we should push for it to happen, even though as ron paul has said, it's very unlikely.

I wouldn't support that ticket. Venture is a moderate. I'm bringing down the mood? Those of you that tout Jesse obviously haven't looked at some of his stances on issues...

He talks a big game but can't live up to it.

Ventura = Overrated and undeserving of the reputation he's been given here.

 

[Menthol Patch]

do you deserve to run for office?????

Almost anyone deserves to be able to run for office more than Bob Barr. He voted for the Patriot Act, voted for the UNDELCARED War in Iraq, and put thousands of people in prison for non violent drug usage.

The fact of the matter is that by voting for the Patriot Act Bob Barr is a traitor to the USA along with all the other congressmen that voted for it.

 

[Menthol Patch]

Lets be totally honest. 911 truth is polarizing and would keep any ticket from actually winning. It could gain alot of ground but it would not win. Ventura shot himself inthe foot with coming out with what he believes. I support his bravery to say those things but politically speaking, it isnt smart.
the better ticket and the only one that would work as far as ballot access would be to replace Barr as Pres and move him to VP and have a Paul/Barr ticket. THe LP will have nearly 48 to 49 states. I am not a fan of Barr but with Paul at the top of the ticket, this would earn my vote.

No, speaking what you believe is very smart. Why? You are sticking to your beliefs. Even if it hurts you politically you are doing the right thing!

 

[Knightskye]

Two words: ballot access

This might've been a good idea five months ago.

 

[armstrong]

yes they would win,,Paul / Ventura or Ventura / Paul ticket with Pero somehow being involved and of course the constitution party,Libertarian Party and independent and green party all involved...Patriot summit and working for a common cause for a real chance to turn this country around and have a 3rd party win........why would all these people not work as one?
surely it is a far better thing than Obama or Mcncheese

 

[mport1]

Why Ventura?

 

[SnappleLlama]

Why Ventura?

He can pile drive anyone who disagrees with him

 

[armstrong]

mostly Ventura all around good guy, respectable, patriot, good name recognition. Also a general strong image. he believes in small gov. and honesty....he might night be everything to all people but highly going in the right direction....just my opionion....

 

[Stevo_Chill]

this ticket would rock!

 

[mtmedlin]

No, speaking what you believe is very smart. Why? You are sticking to your beliefs. Even if it hurts you politically you are doing the right thing!

Thats the motto of those that can accomplish no real change. Ive been down this road and have come to a much more mature position. I want change and if it means that I will get half of what I want, then I will take it. If it means that a candidate has to shut the hell up about a few things they believe in order to accomplish those goals, then fine. Do you really believe that the Neocons came right out and said that they were going to do what they have? Hell no. They kept their true agenda under wraps. Why is it that those with good intentions cannot use tactics and brains in their approach to seeking change without all the freaking crazies calling them out and saying that they have sold out their cause.

About 911 truth. It will never be proven. The evidence, if there was any, has all been destroyed and carted away. To allow the belief in 911 truth to hinder the other causes that a person champions is stupid. The overwhelming majority of people do not believe in 911 truth (nor do many believe in the official story) but the country simply isnt ready to admit their nations faults. Hell, most Americans still do not take into consideration what we did to the Native Americans, Blacks, Mexicans, Japanese (see WWII) and Chinese (yes, we hung chinese - especially out west). Americans are not good at facing their countries attrocities, yet so many truthers are willing to run their mouth about it and completely turn off a potential allies.

You want to be a truther. Fine. I know your not going anywhere, and thats great. Where I find it laughable is when your complete dissalusion turns a fairly sane conversation into your more quioxitic fairy tales of what will never be. Jesse Ventura didnt run for senate and wont run for president because his running of the mouth about 911 truth. Polling numbers said he didnt have a prayer. If he had shut the hell up and stuck to championing the causes that are more palatable, he could have quietly worked for 911 truth, behind the scenes as a US Senator. Instead, he will have about 2 more minutes of fame and then be forgotten for another 4 years. Just like he has been since 2004.

 

[mtmedlin]

yes they would win,,Paul / Ventura or Ventura / Paul ticket with Pero somehow being involved and of course the constitution party,Libertarian Party and independent and green party all involved...Patriot summit and working for a common cause for a real chance to turn this country around and have a 3rd party win........why would all these people not work as one?
surely it is a far better thing than Obama or Mcncheese

I used to believe this also but after watching hte LP and CP lose year after year, I came to the realization that the both parties have fallen into the trap laid for them.
Every year America chooses between the lessor of two evils and it usually hinges on two or three issues. Abortion is one of the biggest and by far the largest of all. Republicans get the christian/moral right and center to vote for them on the promise that they are pro life. Even though the president doesnt have the power to overturn Roe V Wade, this fact is never brought up. Its the wedge. Many issues are just like this. It is used as a wedge to divide us and distract us from what really needs to happen. (see my sig)

The LP and CP have fallen for the same trap. Instead of finding the common ground, they have chosen ideals over viability. Now they each get to stay at home and be very proud of how they lost but kept their ideals. Essentially the two parties are nearly 90% the same but because of a handfull of issues, we have two parties. It is stupidity and arrogance run amuck. WE should be talking about a Barr/Baldwin or Baldwin/Bar ticket. Thats the first step. IF we cant even get like minded people to agree, then how the hell are we ever going to change the two party system?

 

[armstrong]

ok you have a point.. name regonition is a key,,I mention barr and baldwin and most have never heard of them.......even nadar has name regonition.... I think Barr and Baldwin both head in generally in the right direction and both are better than the two we have in the lime light at present. but will not win,,,,we dont have 4 more years of the same spending habbits. I do however feel the time is now ripe with victory that a third party candidate with name regonition could win for the first time.....

 

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

Thats the motto of those that can accomplish no real change. Ive been down this road and have come to a much more mature position. I want change and if it means that I will get half of what I want, then I will take it.

So why are you here?
Ron isn't causing any real change by being the lone NO.
Ron doesn't compromise and give the democrats a little to get a little.
He doesn't sneak in items to House bills to get a piece of his.

What you have written is everything this movement is NOT.

 

[bobbyw24]

Now that would enrgize Ron Paul's followers

to pre-Jan. 2008 levels.

 

[Jdayh]

Agreed!


but do Ron and Jesse know that?!

agreed !! please sign this petition
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/open-letter-to-ron-paul-and-jesse-ventura.html

so we can spread the word...we are planning on presenting it to them (with hard copies...at the convention or right before....

so sign it ...and spread the word..digg it...etc

 

[Cali4RonPaul]

Signed!! bump!

 

[mtmedlin]

So why are you here?
Ron isn't causing any real change by being the lone NO.
Ron doesn't compromise and give the democrats a little to get a little.
He doesn't sneak in items to House bills to get a piece of his.

What you have written is everything this movement is NOT.

I represent the future of this movement. The people who will get done what the idealist do not have the stomach to do. Ron is a figure and now that he has left the cult of personality that we built is dying. The movement has split into three major camps. The "quitters", the baldwins, and the "Barrs" and congratulations....none of you will accomplish anything.
NOt until we set aside the petty differences and come together on a set of realistic goals will this movement accomplish anything.

My goal fromt he start wasnt to get Ron elected. It was to build something more. A movement with legs but alas, it has turned into what I most feared.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

You want to be a truther. Fine. I know your not going anywhere, and thats great. Where I find it laughable is when your complete dissalusion turns a fairly sane conversation into your more quioxitic fairy tales of what will never be. Jesse Ventura didn't run for senate and wont run for president because his running of the mouth about 911 truth.

And running from the main issue of the decade makes restoring freedom a fairy tale that will never be. It's more quixotic to believe you can ignore the 12,000 pound 911 elephant in the room, yet sanely address the loss of liberties being caused by it. Ventura didn't run because he thought 911 would make him lose to the likes of Al Franken, he opted out because he's comfortable being an ex-Governor-actor-wrestler living in Mexico. He'd rather be a sensible, retired truther politician than return to the bizarro country of truth-deniers.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

I represent the future of this movement. The people who will get done what the idealist do not have the stomach to do. Ron is a figure and now that he has left the cult of personality that we built is dying. The movement has split into three major camps. The "quitters", the baldwins, and the "Barrs" and congratulations....none of you will accomplish anything.
NOt until we set aside the petty differences and come together on a set of realistic goals will this movement accomplish anything.

My goal fromt he start wasnt to get Ron elected. It was to build something more. A movement with legs but alas, it has turned into what I most feared.

You're getting alot done posting online, huh?

Maybe you should be doing more than talking about this vision you had, eh?

Many of the Barr's are voting for Barr because they want to try and get something done. So, since all of these options are the wrong ones to you, how does one accomplish something according to your standards?