Paul Ryan pitches the Ron Paul vote

[Anti-Neocon]

Do you want war with Iran and Syria? Then vote for Paul Ryan!

 

[fr33]

If we want a liberty candidate to run in the future, 2016 is better than 2020.

Those that say "there won't be an America" if Obama is re-elected are so tired. I've heard this every election. If you vote for Romney you are voting to hold us back.

We as a movement stand stronger sending a message by not supporting Romney. They fucked us over at the convention. Voting for Romney hurts us as a movement.

 

[Travlyr]

This is very fun to watch. They were told ahead of time to not cheat, lie, or steal the election. They did it anyway. We know Paul Ryan doesn't understand sound money, or if he does, he is obfuscating the truth.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...s-VP-Choice.&p=4658274&viewfull=1#post4658274

We know that Obama is beholden to the same masters that Romney would be. They act like Obama is bad and Romney is good when there is not a dimes worth of difference between them. This is fun to watch.. indeed.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Oh! now they won't ignore us!! I see....

 

[Pauls' Revere]

If we want a liberty candidate to run in the future, 2016 is better than 2020.

Those that say "there won't be an America" if Obama is re-elected are so tired. I've heard this every election. If you vote for Romney you are voting to hold us back.

We as a movement stand stronger sending a message by not supporting Romney. They fucked us over at the convention. Voting for Romney hurts us as a movement.

I could not agree more.

 

[Scott_in_PA]

I used to think the Judges mattered too.

Kelo v. City of New London

On June 23, 2005, the Supreme Court, in a 5–4 decision, ruled in favor of the City of New London. Justice Stevens(nominated by President Gerald Ford) wrote the majority opinion, joined by Justices Anthony Kennedy(appointed by President Ronald Reagan), David Souter(Appointed by President George H. W. Bush), Ruth Bader Ginsburg(appointed by President Bill Clinton) and Stephen Breyer(Appointed by President Bill Clinton). Justice Kennedy(appointed by President Ronald Reagan) wrote a concurring opinion setting out a more detailed standard for judicial review of economic development takings than that found in Stevens's majority opinion. In so doing, Justice Kennedy contributed to the Court's trend of turning minimum scrutiny—the idea that government policy need only bear a rational relation to a legitimate government purpose—into a fact-based test.

Dissenting opinions
The principal dissent was issued on 25 June 2005 by Justice O'Connor(appointment in 1981 by Ronald Reagan), joined by Chief Justice Rehnquist(Nixon nominated Rehnquist) and Justices Scalia(Appointed to the Court by President Ronald Reagan) and Justice Clarence Thomas(President George H. W. Bush nominated him)

The GOP had the court and still throws the fight. I wonder what the payout was


In the aftermath of 2011's Hurricane Irene, the now-closed New London redevelopment area was turned into a dump for storm debris such as tree branches and other vegetation.

 

[jbuttell]

No, during the primary - a vote for anyone but Ron Paul, was a vote for Obama.

 

[donnay]

This is very fun to watch. They were told ahead of time to not cheat, lie, or steal the election. They did it anyway. We know Paul Ryan doesn't understand sound money, or if he does, he is obfuscating the truth.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...s-VP-Choice.&p=4658274&viewfull=1#post4658274


We know that Obama is beholden to the same masters that Romney would be. They act like Obama is bad and Romney is good when there is not a dimes worth of difference between them. This is fun to watch.. indeed.

Indeed this is going to be fun to watch.

 

[Neil Desmond]

I think if he wants Mitt Romney to become the next President, then the first thing he ought to do is quit wasting his time by barking up any of the trees in the liberty forest. It's not about Ron Paul the man, it's about the principles for which he stands. Ron Paul supporters, such as myself, are individuals of strong principles; if anyone ought to be changing their foreign policy platform, it should be Mitt Romney. If he wants to pitch to an audience that lacks principles and integrity (aside from Neoconservatives), then he ought to go talk to Democrats.

 

[Occam's Banana]

uhhhh.... He does realize he's running as Mitt "the TARP bailouts were necessary" Romney, right?

Oh, he realizes it, all right. He's just hoping that we're too stupid to realize it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyJBZYz858M

[T]his bill offends my principles. But I'm going to vote for this bill in order to preserve my principles, in order to preserve this free enterprise system [...]

 

[devil21]

It would be really tough for me, because I disagree pretty strongly with Romney on foreign policy. At the same time, an Obama second term will bring massive new tax increases at the end of this year; everything from the death tax to capital gains, dividends, marginal rates, etc. It will be tax armageddon. You also have an administration that simply issues executive orders every week issuing thousands and thousands of new regulations, a new executive order making CISPA the law of the land, etc. We're currently living under a dictator, not a President. So yes, it is a tough choice for people similar to myself. It's a choice of whether to hold your nose and vote for someone who may very well lead our country to another war, or vote 3rd party and allow Obama to win and massively increase taxes, increase regulations, force the states to accept Obamacare, stack the Supreme Court with liberal judges, ban oil drilling, etc. It really shouldn't be an easy choice for anyone who believes in limited government.

Have you been paying attention to anything at all in your 7000 posts on this forum? Neither Obama nor Romney will implement anything related to smaller government. Both are full on Keynesians and know (or at least their advisors do and will direct them accordingly) that deficit spending, huge tax hikes and inflation must continue in order to keep the system afloat, even at the detriment of the shrinking middle class. Neither of them will do anything to upset the apple cart and initiate the system reset that is so badly needed. They are both empty suits so characterizing either of them as anything other than that shows a basic lack of understanding of how we got in this mess in the first place.

Fwiw, Obama's foreign policy scares me less than Romney's, at least on the surface. Obama doesn't appear to be quite the Israeli lapdog that Romney surely would be.

That simply isn't true at all. There were reports that Kennedy lobbied Roberts hard for over two months, trying to convince him to join the conservatives and strike down Obamacare in it's entirety. Had Roberts joined the other four conservatives, the entire law would've been struck down.

Sold to you!

The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. - Prof Carroll Quigley

 

[romacox]

Yea, our delegates were kidnapped, beat up, banned from their duly elected offices, we were censored and purged from Facebook and Tea Party groups, and now they are playing nicey nicey because they need our votes. The GOP does not understand that it is the message we support, not the party. We do not need a group to confirm our existence. The Republican Party does not practice anything that Ron Paul, and we stand for....they talk it (sometimes), but they don't walk it.

 

[Origanalist]

i have tried to plus rep you twice today and the egalitarian gods have declared:

Covered that for you, 'cause she's right.

 

[Origanalist]

After handing out reps on this thread like they were free (hee hee), all I have to say is

In other words, fuhgetaboutit.

 

[romacox]

This is very fun to watch. They were told ahead of time to not cheat, lie, or steal the election. They did it anyway. We know Paul Ryan doesn't understand sound money, or if he does, he is obfuscating the truth.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...s-VP-Choice.&p=4658274&viewfull=1#post4658274

We know that Obama is beholden to the same masters that Romney would be. They act like Obama is bad and Romney is good when there is not a dimes worth of difference between them. This is fun to watch.. indeed.

This is absolutely true. Both Parties have been infiltrated, and co-opted by the Progressive Movement:
Reinventing Government: Fast Bullets and Culture Changes, by Robert Hillmann

A vote for Obama or Romney is a vote for the "New World Order" under global rule (as Hillmann explains, the Federal Reserve, the Socialist Party, The Communist Party, Republican and Democratic Parties are all involved). It is time to give our support to a candidate that is closer aligned to what each of us believes in, and it is not the two ruling parties.

I was recently surprised to find out the Federal Reserve, Tax On Labor, and Public Education are all part of the 10 Planks in the Communist Manifesto (both Parties have supported these things) : http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html

P.S. No one should ever listen to the crowd (my generation) about who to vote for, because they created the problem in the first place. Do your own research, and vote for he who is most aligned with your beliefs.

 

[Brett85]

Neither Obama nor Romney will implement anything related to smaller government. Both are full on Keynesians and know (or at least their advisors do and will direct them accordingly) that deficit spending, huge tax hikes and inflation must continue in order to keep the system afloat, even at the detriment of the shrinking middle class. !

Like I've said before, I have problems with a lot of Romney's views on the issues, especially his support for military intervention overseas. But to say that there's no difference between the two on domestic issues/economic issues simply isn't accurate. If you actually look at things objectively, President Obama wants to end all of the Bush tax cuts at the end of the year, while Romney wants to extend all of them. An Obama 2nd term means higher tax rates on capital gains, dividends, the death tax, and marginal rates. It also means more massive new regulations given by executive order every month, while Romney supports repealing Obama's regulations. So yes, Romney is better than Obama on taxes, regulations, and domestic spending, but about the same or slightly worse than Obama on foreign policy. So to say that the two candidates are "exactly the same" is pretty far fetched, but it's just that Romney has some bad positions on foreign policy issues that may make it impossible for me to ever vote for him.

 

[angelatc]

A Wobbly!!!!

Forgot him and HOLD!!!!!!!!!!

I'm fine with the Romney voters. There are a lot of Republicans who supported Paul in the primary, but will now vote for Romney because he's the party guy. There's no point in shunning them if we want them to align with us on future primaries.

 

[Eisenhower]

I would rather have Obama get reelected. Romney will be 4 more years of the same bullshit, but Obama will result in shit actually hitting the fan. Maybe THEN we can see some CHANGE.

 

[Andyc3020]

I find this very insulting to my intelligence. Does Paul Ryan think we (Ron Paul supporters) haven't put thought into who we are going to vote for and what the possible consequences
will be? We have put more thought into it than most of the population of voters. He sounds frustrated. Frustrated that there are a group of people who are not sheep. Frustrated that no matter what he or Romney says, we will not be fooled.

 

[affa]

\If Romney turns out to be as bad as many here predict, then we can primary him in 2016.

I almost stopped reading when you casually suggested you'd vote for Romney, but I'm glad I didn't because I got to read this gem.

No, we're not voting for Romney. All the little suggestions of why we should will continue to fall on deaf ears. Sorry, I know you and your 48 posts have bills to pay, and your too-casual attempts at convincing us put food on the table, but that's about as far as it goes. You lost our vote.

And the idea that we'd 'primary' an incumbent president is borderline ridiculous. The media would provide zero traction for us.