Paul Ryan pitches the Ron Paul vote

[Brett85]

Well, the thing is that I'm just giving my honest opinion. I'm not going to change the way I view things in order to get praise from people here. My view is basically that Obama and Romney are equally bad on foreign policy issues, but Romney is an improvement over Obama on domestic issues. Like I said, I'm still planning on voting 3rd party, but I'll still feel sick on election night if Obama wins.

 

[Smitty]

Paul Ryan needs to understand that the only victory available to the liberty movement this cycle is the defeat of the GOP in the Presidential election.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

I read the article and saw Vermin Supreme and thought the audience member was referring to vermin in high office.

NOBP.

 

[lakefx]

the matrix is calling you home.

 

[Brett85]

It would be easier for me to support Romney and support the GOP in general if they just quit with all the pro war/intervention stuff. I don't know when they'll ever realize that that philosophy isn't popular anymore.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

It would be easier for me to support Romney and support the GOP in general if they just quit with all the pro war/intervention stuff. I don't know when they'll ever realize that that philosophy isn't popular anymore.

And yet given these circumstances, you'd still vote for Romney if you lived in a swing state?

 

[John of Des Moines]

I'm happy I live in a swing state.

 

[TheTexan]

Your or I or the president has little if nothing to do with when that day comes.

This is true. Our fate lies in the hands of our foreign shareholders now. They decide when the SHTF... not us, not the President, not even the "men in charge."

 

[TheTexan]

It would be easier for me to support Romney and support the GOP in general if they just quit with all the pro war/intervention stuff. I don't know when they'll ever realize that that philosophy isn't popular anymore.

Who said anything about popular? It's profitable

 

[musicmax]

We're really in a no-win election. So everyone here should be free to do what they want. I think I'm going to vote for Romney. The Rand method seems to be striking gold in terms of advancing the cause, and I'd rather have a war within the Republican party rather than just be an obstructionist. If Romney turns out to be as bad as many here predict, then we can primary him in 2016. As bad as Bush was, for example, he wasn't going to force Obamacare down the throat of the entire country like Obama did. But for everything else, Rand is still going to be outvoted 99-1 or 80-10 on our most pressing issues regardless who is in the Senate or White House.

Bush implemented Medicare D.

 

[Carson]

During a campaign event in Lima, Ohio Monday, Paul Ryan made his pitch to voters who supported Ron Paul during the Republican presidential primary, saying if they don't want a second-term Obama presidency they should

I only got so far.

I think if he cares about America he would drop out and turn the reins over to someone honest.

 

[sailingaway]

I only got so far.

I think if he cares about America he would drop out and turn the reins over to someone honest.

I have just the guy in mind, too....

 

[Brett85]

And yet given these circumstances, you'd still vote for Romney if you lived in a swing state?

It would be really tough for me, because I disagree pretty strongly with Romney on foreign policy. At the same time, an Obama second term will bring massive new tax increases at the end of this year; everything from the death tax to capital gains, dividends, marginal rates, etc. It will be tax armageddon. You also have an administration that simply issues executive orders every week issuing thousands and thousands of new regulations, a new executive order making CISPA the law of the land, etc. We're currently living under a dictator, not a President. So yes, it is a tough choice for people similar to myself. It's a choice of whether to hold your nose and vote for someone who may very well lead our country to another war, or vote 3rd party and allow Obama to win and massively increase taxes, increase regulations, force the states to accept Obamacare, stack the Supreme Court with liberal judges, ban oil drilling, etc. It really shouldn't be an easy choice for anyone who believes in limited government.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well, the thing is that I'm just giving my honest opinion. I'm not going to change the way I view things in order to get praise from people here. My view is basically that Obama and Romney are equally bad on foreign policy issues, but Romney is an improvement over Obama on domestic issues. Like I said, I'm still planning on voting 3rd party, but I'll still feel sick on election night if Obama wins.

Yeah, I'll feel sick too. But, I'll feel sick with Romney too.

 

[sailingaway]

Yeah, I'll feel sick too. But, I'll feel sick with Romney too.

Me too.

I think I won't watch. It is faster to just get the bad news, whichever way, in print.

 

[The Free Hornet]

If Romney turns out to be as bad as many here predict, then we can primary him in 2016.

If you're going to believe in fairy-tale scenarios (that you "can primary" a sitting president), then you might as well just join the Ron Paul write-in or Gary Johnson supporters. I say that sincerely: write in Paul or vote for Johnson!

Romney will be exactly "as bad as" needed to piss us off but to maintain GOP support. No better, no worse. If he wins, both he AND Ryan are credible threats in 2016 and 2020 (and maybe 2024). If Romney loses in the general, then he is a loser the rest of his life and will not get a second chance. Ryan will become like Sarah Palin. Annoying to see on Fox but politically less potent.

 

[TheTexan]

stack the Supreme Court with liberal judges

Chief Justice Roberts was appointed by Bush, so there goes that argument

 

[Brett85]

Chief Justice Roberts was appointed by Bush, so there goes that argument

Alito was also appointed by Bush, and he voted the right way. The four justices who voted the right way were all Republican appointees. Four out of the five justices who voted to uphold Obamacare were appointed by Democrats.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

We're really in a no-win election. So everyone here should be free to do what they want. I think I'm going to vote for Romney.

That's really sad that the best argument he can come up with to vote for him and Romney is that they're not Obama.

That is their best argument. A simple exchange of nearly identical products.

The way I look at it is that since I live in a non swing state, I'll just vote my conscience and vote 3rd party, and it won't really have any affect on the outcome of the race. But if I actually lived in one of the swing states, I'm afraid I would have to hold my nose and vote for Romney.

There are very few swing States, so most people have no reason whatsoever to vote for Obamney.

 

[TheTexan]

Alito was also appointed by Bush, and he voted the right way. The four justices who voted the right way were all Republican appointees. Four out of the five justices who voted to uphold Obamacare were appointed by Democrats.

Does it matter that four justices voted the right way? Nope. Obamacare got passed.

You're under this illusion that these other justices wouldn't have voted for it if their vote had mattered. If Roberts hadn't taken one for the team, I assure you someone else would have. They vote against it only to maintain appearances.

The Supreme Court is as much of a scam and theater as the other two branches of government.