**Official** Trayvon Martin thread

[moderate libertarian]

I just counted, there are 10 threads related to "Trayvon Martin" on the first page of this forum.

As far as I see, this is the most informative thread on the subject.

 

[moo]

I honestly thought this thread was going to end with this video, let's try again:



Because no one knows shit.

this has already been talked about by civil rights leader dick gregory

 

[iGGz]

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[TheNewYorker]

No, I don't think it was just the fact that he approached him... it was the fact that the police arrived 2 minutes after Martin was shot dead. The police TOLD Zimmerman that they were on the way and to not get out of his car... and he ignored that.

Police =/= 911 dispatcher

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

Not a gang member. He smoked weed, he listened to rap, he swore on the internet and wore a grill. Sounds like the average teenager to me. None of that is grounds for him being shot walking home in his own neighborhood with objects in both hands and being unarmed and none of that makes him a thug.

It's even funny to me how they say that kid is throwing up a gang sign. Yeah that is a gang sign: for MS-13 (A Hispanic gang that African-Americans can't join lol). I highly doubt he is throwing up a gang sign but instead making an M with his fingers for his name (which is clearly in the picture: Mario)

 

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

LOL @ a gang member/drug dealer posting on twitter. MS13? Seriously....smh. This article seems like it was written by someone not privy to modern day urban culture.

You guys need to stop it. I know the liberal media, anti-gun, and the race baiters have latched on to this story and are thumping their chests about it, but to even call this self defense is horse shit.

Kid wasnt armed
Kid was screaming help (911 tapes)
Kid was not committing a crime

Hello? Now is this a cold blooded murder? I dont think so. I think this is a case of a guy, tasked with watching of his community, and seeing a kid that to him looked suspicious, he confronted him, they tussled, and Zimmerman felt the need to use deadly force when he didnt need to. He couldn't take an ass whooping, he didnt want to run away, so he decided to kill the kid. Heat of the moment type of deal.

If Zimmerman was a cop you guys would be raging about the totalitarian police state.

Obviously Travon was not the heaven sent angel the media is making him out to be, what do you expect? Maybe...just maybe...he was your normal teen that thought he was a bad ass. But was he committing a crime?

 

[BlackTerrel]

He was told "we don't need you to do that", as you correctly stated.

That seems very clear.

Once that happened, he lost his justification to use deadly force, especially since he continued to follow him around as Martin tried to leave.

+100%. Thank you

 

[BlackTerrel]

It's really gotten to the reaching at straws portion when you're trying to justify killing an unarmed man.

None of this is fucking relevant.

A. Overzealous asshole with a gun follows teenager with skittles and B. ends up shooting him. What could possibly happen between A and B that would justify it?

 

[RonPaulMall]

You aren't arguing for probable cause or due process. Due process in this case means having a probable cause hearing to determine the veracity of the evidence that you blithely pretend doesn't exist.

If you don't know the law, don't post about the law. Probable Cause hearings exist because in order to make an arrest, the State first requires probable cause a crime was committed. That hearing is to protect us against the very thing you and Sharpton's lynch mob are advocating- an arrest absent probable cause. The police need to believe that George Zimmerman committed a crime in order for them to arrest him. There is no evidence George Zimmerman committed a crime. And as the police aren't racist lunatics like most of the people calling for Zimmerman's skin, that lack of evidence and corresponding belief that a crime occurred keeps them from making an arrest.

 

[RonPaulMall]

A. Overzealous asshole with a gun follows teenager with skittles and B. ends up shooting him. What could possibly happen between A and B that would justify it?

Um, how about the very think George Zimmerman claims happened? That gold toothed teen in a hoodie punched him in the face, then, as an eyewitness confirms, got on top of him and started pummeling him?

 

[AFPVet]

Police =/= 911 dispatcher

E911 dispatchers are generally not certified law enforcement officers; however, it's not uncommon for law enforcement officers to hang out in communications. I used to hang out in communications while I was waiting on my shift sergeant since he had the car. We did have one dispatcher who was law enforcement certified as a reserve deputy just like myself. You never know sometimes.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

LOL @ a gang member/drug dealer posting on twitter. MS13? Seriously....smh. This article seems like it was written by someone not privy to modern day urban culture.

You guys need to stop it. I know the liberal media, anti-gun, and the race baiters have latched on to this story and are thumping their chests about it, but to even call this self defense is horse shit.

Kid wasnt armed
Kid was screaming help (911 tapes)
Kid was not committing a crime

Hello? Now is this a cold blooded murder? I dont think so. I think this is a case of a guy, tasked with watching of his community, and seeing a kid that to him looked suspicious, he confronted him, they tussled, and Zimmerman felt the need to use deadly force when he didnt need to. He couldn't take an ass whooping, he didnt want to run away, so he decided to kill the kid. Heat of the moment type of deal.

If Zimmerman was a cop you guys would be raging about the totalitarian police state.

Obviously Travon was not the heaven sent angel the media is making him out to be, what do you expect? Maybe...just maybe...he was your normal teen that thought he was a bad ass. But was he committing a crime?

This. +rep

Um, how about the very think George Zimmerman claims happened? That gold toothed teen in a hoodie punched him in the face, then, as an eyewitness confirms, got on top of him and started pummeling him?

Yeah, let's ignore the witness you keep forgetting: Mary Cutcher and how the police didn't like her story so they changed it. Then we can forget how one of them had a gun and the other was unarmed carrying candy and a can of tea.

 

[nasaal]

This. +rep



Yeah, let's ignore the witness you keep forgetting: Mary Cutcher and how the police didn't like her story so they changed it. Then we can forget how one of them had a gun and the other was unarmed carrying candy and a can of tea.

Or the fact that even if Zimmerman was getting pummeled, he had been following the kid even after being told not to on the phone. If someone chases me like that, I imagine I'd hit them too.

 

[specsaregood]

Or the fact that even if Zimmerman was getting pummeled, he had been following the kid even after being told not to on the phone. If someone chases me like that, I imagine I'd hit them too.

or the liklihood that zimmerman had already brandished his gun, committing assault and giving the kid the right to defend himself.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Yeah, let's ignore the witness you keep forgetting: Mary Cutcher and how the police didn't like her story so they changed it. Then we can forget how one of them had a gun and the other was unarmed carrying candy and a can of tea.

She wasn't really a witness. She just heard stuff. Nothing about her story is inconsistent with Zimmerman's account either. Why do we have to forget the fact one of them had a gun? What relevance does that have to anything? We have a right to bear arms in this country. Martin should have known and anticipated the guy he attacked might be carrying a gun. It is a lesson now learned, but at the price of his life.

 

[moo]

trayvon's punch was so strong that it broke his nose and knocked a 250 pound zimmerman to the ground and for zimmerman to have had his head bashed into the sidewalk for an entire minute and his face repeatedly punched for an entire minute, why did zimmerman only have 1 cut on his nose and small cuts on the back of his head and a swollen lip?

if trayvon had direct fist to face contact for an entire minute zimmerman wouldve had his teeth knocked out, or his jaw broken, or a busted lip, or black eyes, or knots on his face. if zimmerman had his head bashed into CEMENT, zimmerman would've been sent to the hospital to check for brain damage.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

She wasn't really a witness. She just heard stuff. Nothing about her story is inconsistent with Zimmerman's account either. Why do we have to forget the fact one of them had a gun? What relevance does that have to anything? We have a right to bear arms in this country. Martin should have known and anticipated the guy he attacked might be carrying a gun. It is a lesson now learned, but at the price of his life.

It is completely inconsistent with his account. Nobody is saying anything about the right to bear arms. Neighborhood watch for one aren't supposed to carry guns, he was told to not follow him (or he wasn't needed to if you prefer), and he was the aggressor in the situation. Don't believe me? Take a look at this:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...he-Cult-Of-Government-(good-Will-Grigg-piece)

 

[economics102]

He was told "we don't need you to do that", as you correctly stated.

That seems very clear.

Once that happened, he lost his justification to use deadly force, especially since he continued to follow him around as Martin tried to leave.

Wait a minute, it's illegal to follow someone you think is suspicious because the police tell you it's "unnecessary"? I'm not buying that on several levels.

And if Zimmerman's account of the incident is true, why doesn't he have the right to meet deadly force with deadly force? Of course, my belief is that ANY physical assault can justifiably be met with lethal self-defense, but even if you believe the response should be proportional, are you telling me that getting punched in the face and then having your head repeatedly slammed into the pavement isn't a potentially lethal attack? When people have their head slammed into the pavement, they can suffer serious concussions and even death. In the realm of hand-to-hand combat, that's the most serious kind of attack short of trying to snap someone's neck or something. And if someone is already punching you in the face and slamming your head in the pavement, what would make you presume they weren't going to continue the attack? The idea that Travyon Martin's assault (if Zimmerman's account is true) isn't ALSO lethal is RIDICULOUS -- of course it was! If you get your head slammed into pavement hard enough you have a decent chance of dying, just as you do if someone shoots you in the torso.

Another thing that is RIDICULOUS about this case -- that the "stand your ground" law is getting drawn into criticism here. Because again, if Zimmerman's account is true, he was PINNED TO THE GROUND getting beaten up, so the issue of the Stand Your Ground law absolving him of a "duty to retreat" is totally irrelevant because retreat was not an option! The only relevance is in his initial confronting of Travyon, but there's nothing illegal about confronting someone in a public space!

 

[loveshiscountry]

trayvon's punch was so strong that it broke his nose and knocked a 250 pound zimmerman to the ground and for zimmerman to have had his head bashed into the sidewalk for an entire minute and his face repeatedly punched for an entire minute, why did zimmerman only have 1 cut on his nose and small cuts on the back of his head and a swollen lip?

if trayvon had direct fist to face contact for an entire minute zimmerman wouldve had his teeth knocked out, or his jaw broken, or a busted lip, or black eyes, or knots on his face. if zimmerman had his head bashed into CEMENT, zimmerman would've been sent to the hospital to check for brain damage.

Do you actually think Zimmerman laid there with his hands at his side not protecting himself? I guess anything can happen but for those injuries you described to happen Zimmerman would have to lie still, head not moving, and not having his hands up defending himself.