**Official** Trayvon Martin thread

angelatc said:
Stop with the "we" already. You decide what you want to talk about, and I'll decide what I want to talk about.
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Don't get your panties in a bunch... you can willingly exclude yourself from my we. But hey, nothing flaunts ignorance better than an easily distracted individual.
 
angelatc said:
Like it or not, being a trained member of a Neighborhood Watch program means he will be held to a different standard of behavior than you or I would. The prosecution will say that his training meant that he certainly knew leaving the car would be considered an act of aggression.
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It seems like you don't understand the difference between a criminal action and a civil action. In order for the prosecution to even bring charges against Zimmerman, there has to be probable cause he committed a crime. Not adhering to the standards of some private watch organization he doesn't even subscribe to is not a criminal act. As of this point, there is no evidence Zimmerman did anything that would constitute a criminal act. That's why police haven't arrested him. To arrest someone without probable cause is in itself a criminal act- on the part of the police!
 
moo said:
We don't know if zimmerman really saw something in his waistband or his hand. he could've made that information up off the top of his head. i can read between the lines and say that's code for
BLACK MAN WITH A GUN.
BLACK MAN WITH DRUGS.
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Congratulations, moo! You finally posted something on which I can agree with you!!

Well, the first four words anyway...which is why I struck down the rest of your post.

Thing is WE DON'T KNOW. None of us KNOW. You think you know how Zimmerman felt about Black people, but YOU DON'T KNOW. You're ASSUMING (and you know what they say about ASS-U-ME).
 
This whole thing is ridiculous, that the people that understand the media (RPFERS) are caught up in it is... to say the least, disquieting. How about the innocent autistic boy that was murdered by the cops? That wasn't on Fox news so I guess its not worth discussing... right? You all are getting your panties in a bunch over this killing, but it was not your decision. Once again the media prevails over your autonomy. Congratulations for, presumable, seeing the media for what it is (that is a strong force in nurturing division in the populace) and still eating the shit it puts on your plate, and then asking for more. I applaud you.
 
bolil said:
This whole thing is ridiculous, that the people that understand the media (RPFERS) are caught up in it is... to say the least, disquieting. .
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It is a discussion forum, we like to debate/argue and fight with each other. it is what it is.
 
bolil said:
This whole thing is ridiculous, that the people that understand the media (RPFERS) are caught up in it is... to say the least, disquieting. How about the innocent autistic boy that was murdered by the cops? That wasn't on Fox news so I guess its not worth discussing... right? You all are getting your panties in a bunch over this killing, but it was not your decision. Once again the media prevails over your autonomy. Congratulations for, presumable, seeing the media for what it is (that is a strong force in nurturing division in the populace) and still eating the shit it puts on your plate, and then asking for more. I applaud you.
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That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it.

Contrary to your beliefs, however, not everyone here is swallowing the msm line about this story. If you read through the thread you would see that.

Finally, I am no more willing to submit to your perceived authority over my autonomy with regard to what I should or should not be concerned about, than I am to the media. There are elements of this story that could reverberate into changes in gun control legislation, etc. That concerns me greatly.

Sorry if you don't feel the same way.
 
bxm042 said:
I honestly don't know who was right or wrong here. ..
Pass. I want no part in this.
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Uh, yeah, that is why due process requires a judge and jury, and is why we are pissed about NDAA not allowing either.

I don't feel like judging these people without all the evidence in front of me, either.
 
bolil said:
This whole thing is ridiculous, that the people that understand the media (RPFERS) are caught up in it is... to say the least, disquieting. How about the innocent autistic boy that was murdered by the cops? That wasn't on Fox news so I guess its not worth discussing... right? You all are getting your panties in a bunch over this killing, but it was not your decision. Once again the media prevails over your autonomy. Congratulations for, presumable, seeing the media for what it is (that is a strong force in nurturing division in the populace) and still eating the shit it puts on your plate, and then asking for more. I applaud you.
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Panties, unbunch thyselves. We're all fine - you're the one obsessing because we won't stop talking about something you think isn't worth discussing.
 
Its not that it isn't "worth" discussing, its that it wasn't your choice to do so. Its just like the OWS. They are even holding congressional hearing on this... seriously? Was Trayvnor that much better than the people killed by cops this year? You are incorrect that I don't think its worth discussing, I just think its a distraction. Id rather talk about out of control police. Co-opted by the media your will has been. Just calling it as I see it. Ill unbunch my panties now, I apologize for trying to be holier than thou/insulting. Im definatly not holier... whent he kony thing went down I was all for forming a militia. I am vulnerable to it too.
 
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bolil said:
Its not that it isn't "worth" discussing, its that it wasn't your choice to do so. Its just like the OWS. They are even holding congressional hearing on this... seriously? Was Trayvnor that much better than the people killed by cops this year? You are incorrect that I don't think its worth discussing, I just think its a distraction. Id rather talk about out of control police. Co-opted by the media your will has been. Just calling it as I see it. Ill unbunch my panties now, I apologize for trying to be holier than thou/insulting. Im definatly not holier... whent he kony thing went down I was all for forming a militia. I am vulnerable to it too.
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But this may well be an example of an out-of-control police force. If they went lax on the investigation because they considered Martin enough of a scumbag to warrant the death penalty, that's just as abusive as if they had pulled the trigger.
 
sailingaway said:
Uh, yeah, that is why due process requires a judge and jury, and is why we are pissed about NDAA not allowing either.

I don't feel like judging these people without all the evidence in front of me, either.
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Due Process requires more than just a judge and jury. It also requires things like probable cause in order to make an arrest or press charges. The probable cause standard is what the media and the black hordes want dispensed of in this case. They want Zimmerman arrested despite a clear lack of probable cause he committed a crime, which under our system of justice, is just as egregious as denying him any other right.
 
Indirectly, yes. Not like a guy with a badge shooting an autistic kid through a closed door though. Again, what makes him so much better that he deserves a congressional hearing that will revolve around profiling and gun control (not pig brutality) and innocents murdered by cops are given a token article before the media drowns out their memories in nonsense like this.
 
RonPaulMall said:
Due Process requires more than just a judge and jury. It also requires things like probable cause in order to make an arrest or press charges. The probable cause standard is what the media and the black hordes want dispensed of in this case. They want Zimmerman arrested despite a clear lack of probable cause he committed a crime, which under our system of justice, is just as egregious as denying him any other right.
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You aren't arguing for probable cause or due process. Due process in this case means having a probable cause hearing to determine the veracity of the evidence that you blithely pretend doesn't exist.
 
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