**Official** Trayvon Martin thread

Lol. Look at this Wikipedia entry for Klayman.

Larry Elliot Klayman (born July 20, 1951) is an American right-wing[1][2] conspiracy theorist, racist lawyer[3][4] and former U.S. Justice Department prosecutor.[5] He is the founder of self-styled watchdog groups Judicial Watch[6] and Freedom Watch.[7]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Klayman

Edited last by an anonymous user 1 hour ago. Every liberal personality of course has their page locked so only certain people can edit those pages.
 
Lol. Look at this Wikipedia entry for Klayman.



Edited last by an anonymous user 1 hour ago. Every liberal personality of course has their page locked so only certain people can edit those pages.

No bias there!

I saw an ABC news clip on the lawsuit. No mention at all of why Zimmerman was suing. Just a blatant attack on Zimmerman and his lawyer.

It seems pretty obvious that the prosecution substituted another witness unless that family has two sisters named Diamond Eugene.
 
Probably sent from a mobile device, hence the m.

Looks the same otherwise.

Thanks. Either way, I don't see the words he quotes. Somebody could make an edit and claim to have discovered the edit. Looks like it was corrected almost immediately. According to the edit history, it was only up for a minute on December 5th. He could not have seen it an hour after it was done.

Edit made 22:32 on December 5th via mobile. Reverted 22:33 on that same date. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Larry_Klayman&action=history

Edited last by an anonymous user 1 hour ago. Every liberal personality of course has their page locked so only certain people can edit those pages.

Same person did it twice. First time it was up for ten minutes.
 
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Thanks. Either way, I don't see the words he quotes. Somebody could make an edit and claim to have discovered the edit. Looks like it was corrected almost immediately. According to the edit history, it was only up for a minute on December 5th. He could not have seen it an hour after it was done.

Edit made 22:32 on December 5th via mobile. Reverted 22:33 on that same date. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Larry_Klayman&action=history



Same person did it twice. First time it was up for ten minutes.

That's because it was posted on December 4th, not the 5th. Here is a link to the edited page I was quoting:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Larry_Klayman&oldid=929307668

Looks like it was up for 3 hour and 25 minutes.

My more important point was that if he was a liberal, anonymous users wouldn't be able to edit his page.
 
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That's because it was posted on December 4th, not the 5th. Here is a link to the edited page I was quoting:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Larry_Klayman&oldid=929307668

Looks like it was up for 3 hour and 25 minutes.

My more important point was that if he was a liberal, anonymous users wouldn't be able to edit his page.

It'll be interesting to see how this trial plays out. Hopefully it'll be a real trial, not that fake trial the Nazi guy got last year for running over someone after having his car attacked. I think it'll be a real trial since Zimmerman hired a real lawyer. That Nazi guy had a court appointed fake lawyer.
 
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No it is not, based on the facts so far presented.

Self defense with deadly force is not justified, legally, if you provoke or prolong or instigate an altercation that otherwise would not have happened had you not done so.

"Stand your ground" laws do not change that.

Yup.
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No it is not, based on the facts so far presented.

Self defense with deadly force is not justified, legally, if you provoke or prolong or instigate an altercation that otherwise would not have happened had you not done so.

"Stand your ground" laws do not change that.

Disagree.

You are allowed to walk around your neighborhood. If you see a suspicious person, that doesn't mean you suddenly lose the right to walk around your neighborhood.

According to Zimmerman, he was just walking along when Trayvon came up behind him and sucker punched him from behind.

Walking around isn't instigating, I don't care if you happen to be watching a suspicious person. Had Zimmerman said something to him in a threatening manner, like "Hey n-word, we don't like your kind around here, you betta git!" and then brandished a weapon or something, then ya, I think what you said would likely apply.
 
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Disagree.

You are allowed to walk around your neighborhood. If you see a suspicious person, that doesn't mean you suddenly lose the right to walk around your neighborhood.

According to Zimmerman, he was just walking along when Trayvon came up behind him and sucker punched him from behind.

Walking around isn't instigating, I don't care if you happen to be watching a suspicious person. Had Zimmerman said something to him in a threatening manner, like "Hey n-word, we don't like your kind around here, you betta git!" and then brandished a weapon or something, then ya, I think what you said would likely apply.

* sigh * If you're following someone repeatedly in that person's own neighborhood (remember, it wasn't just Zimmerman's neighborhood), that can constitute the crime of stalking.

See: https://m.flsenate.gov/Statutes/784.048

"(2) A person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083."

I don't know if the stalking statute was raised in the trial. Zimmerman could have raised the "lawful purpose" defense.

"(a) “Harass” means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person which causes substantial emotional distress to that person and serves no legitimate purpose."

Of course the prosecution could have argued back that the police telling Zimmerman "We don't need you to do that" meant he had no legitimate purpose. And Zimmerman's defenders would say that doesn't matter. He had a legitimate purpose regardless.

That said, the "repeatedly follows" part of the statute does not have a "legitimate purpose" exception. So the question would be what constitutes "willful and malicious" in this case. Willful is undeniable. Malicious is arguable.

That said, it went to a jury of Zimmerman's peers and Zimmerman was acquitted. George Zimmerman was an ass before killing Trayvon Martin. (His judge daddy got him off after he assaulted an undercover cop). George Zimmerman was an ass after killing Trayvon Martin. (Multiple arrests for assault). And his lawyer was scum. (Arrested for trying to intimidate a 9 year old alleged rape victim to change her testimony).
 
* sigh * If you're following someone repeatedly in that person's own neighborhood (remember, it wasn't just Zimmerman's neighborhood), that can constitute the crime of stalking.

See: https://m.flsenate.gov/Statutes/784.048

"(2) A person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083."

I don't know if the stalking statute was raised in the trial. Zimmerman could have raised the "lawful purpose" defense.

"(a) “Harass” means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person which causes substantial emotional distress to that person and serves no legitimate purpose."

Of course the prosecution could have argued back that the police telling Zimmerman "We don't need you to do that" meant he had no legitimate purpose. And Zimmerman's defenders would say that doesn't matter. He had a legitimate purpose regardless.

That said, the "repeatedly follows" part of the statute does not have a "legitimate purpose" exception. So the question would be what constitutes "willful and malicious" in this case. Willful is undeniable. Malicious is arguable.

That said, it went to a jury of Zimmerman's peers and Zimmerman was acquitted. George Zimmerman was an ass before killing Trayvon Martin. (His judge daddy got him off after he assaulted an undercover cop). George Zimmerman was an ass after killing Trayvon Martin. (Multiple arrests for assault). And his lawyer was scum. (Arrested for trying to intimidate a 9 year old alleged rape victim to change her testimony).

Repeatedly means more than once. This was one time... even then, I disagree this is stalking.

You will never convince me, in a billion years, that if there is a suspicious person in my neighborhood I, or anybody else, cannot walk around and see what's going on. That is not what stalking is.
 
Repeatedly means more than once. This was one time... even then, I disagree this is stalking.

It was multiple times. That came up in the trial and Zimmerman actually used that in his defense to argue from Facebook Trayvon's Facebook posts that he was planning to jump the "creepy guy" that was following him around.

You will never convince me, in a billion years, that if there is a suspicious person in my neighborhood I, or anybody else, cannot walk around and see what's going on. That is not what stalking is.

I wouldn't try to convince you. I'd try to elicit that response from you in jury selection and have you struck for cause.
 
It was multiple times. That came up in the trial and Zimmerman actually used that in his defense to argue from Facebook Trayvon's Facebook posts that he was planning to jump the "creepy guy" that was following him around.



I wouldn't try to convince you. I'd try to elicit that response from you in jury selection and have you struck for cause.

Did they also use the facebook posts with Trayvon's previous jewelry heists in the trial? I would bet money Trayvon was the person robbing people in the neighborhood.

Zimmerman literally saw a guy who steals from people walking around his neighborhood, it sounds to me like his sense of who this guy was, was working perfectly. Nothing to do with his skin color, Zimmerman didn't even know he was black. He said he thought he might be black.. but more importantly, how a person dresses and carries themselves can tell you a lot.

I visit a 55+ community on occasion and stay there. I take walks around the neighborhood. If one of the neighbors was suspicious of me and I saw them following me around, I would go talk to them.. like a normal fucking person. He had a right to be there, but from what I recall he was not a permanent resident, more like an occasional visitor. It is completely normal for people in the neighborhood to be suspicious of him, and they were right to be suspicious of him.. he's a fucking criminal.

Trayvon acted exactly like a criminal would act, he did exactly what a criminal would do and Zimmerman did an excellent job protecting his community. I'm extremely glad the jury disagreed with you.
 
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Did they also use the facebook posts with Trayvon's previous jewelry heists in the trial? I would bet money Trayvon was the person robbing people in the neighborhood.

Speculation. It was never argued at trial that Trayvon was a thief. And you didn't even know there were multiple times that Zimmerman was following Trayvon so you're probably just making that up anyway.
 
Speculation. It was never argued at trial that Trayvon was a thief. And you didn't even know there were multiple times that Zimmerman was following Trayvon so you're probably just making that up anyway.

This happened 11 years ago...

I saw the photo of a stack of jewelry, but can't find it now.

There is this tho

SANFORD, Fla. — A Florida police department says women’s jewelry found in Trayvon Martin’s school backpack last year didn’t match any that had been reported stolen.


The Miami Herald obtained a Miami-Dade Schools Police Department report that showed the slain teenager was suspended in October for writing obscene graffiti on a door at his high school.


The report says that during a search of his backpack, security officers found jewelry and a screwdriver that they felt could be a burglary tool. Martin told them a friend had given him the jewelry, but wouldn’t say who.

I'm not even saying that this is admissible in court necessarily, just saying that it appears Zimmerman was a pretty good judge of character.
 
This happened 11 years ago...

I saw the photo of a stack of jewelry, but can't find it now.

There is this tho



I'm not even saying that this is admissible in court necessarily, just saying that it appears Zimmerman was a pretty good judge of character.

Zimmerman himself was not of good character as shown by his pre and post Trayvon arrest record.
 
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