**Official** Trayvon Martin thread

[kahless]

I'm confused as to why so many people here seem to think it's an act of provocation to get out of one's car. If the situation had ended differently, and given the SYG law, would TM be justified in defending himself against (shooting, if he had a gun) GZ just because GZ got out of his car??

If I go by some of the comments I have read, I would have been in my right to kill my new neighbor who did not know me, for questioning me one night when I took a late stroll.

I was pretty bent this jackass followed me to my house and questioned me. But instead of beating him I handled it in a civilized manner, there was no physical altercation and no one got shot.

btw - my posts are only commenting on people's interpretation. I am waiting for all the facts to come out before having an opinion but so far if Zimmerman's story is correct it sounds like self defense.

 

[UtahApocalypse]

Here's some quotes from the Sanford Florida Neighborhood Watch Handbook:

According to The National Sheriff's Association, who are in charge of the national neighborhood watch program the Sanford City program was NOT part of the program.

http://www.sheriffs.org/content/nsa-statement-nw-tragedy-fl

“NSA has no information indicating the community where the incident occurred has ever even registered with the NSA Neighborhood Watch program.”

Now the article dose not mention this but the use of the Neighborhood Watch emblem, name, and logo could even be litigated against Sanford by the NSA if they choose too.

 

[specsaregood]

If I go by some of the comments I have read, I would have been in my right to kill my new neighbor who did not know me, for questioning me one night when I took a late stroll.

I was pretty bent this jackass followed me to my house and questioned me. But instead of beating him I handled it in a civilized manner, there was no physical altercation and no one got shot.

but it might not have gone so civilized if the guy used a racial slur to you, threatened you or called the police on you?

 

[Joshua2585]

No, I don't think it was just the fact that he approached him... it was the fact that the police arrived 2 minutes after Martin was shot dead. The police TOLD Zimmerman that they were on the way and to not get out of his car... and he ignored that.

 

[kahless]

but it might not have gone so civilized if the guy used a racial slur to you, threatened you or called the police on you?

It is just words. Still no reason to put your hands on another human being. If I got on top of him and started beating him, risking his life where he fears for his life then he has the right do what is necessary to save his life.

 

[specsaregood]

It is just words. Still no reason to put your hands on another human being. If I got on top of him and started beating him, risking his life where he fears for his life then he has the right do what is necessary to save his life.

He might have threatened him, he had the gun. What if the kid thought the guy was gonna shoot him and thought it was his only opportunity to defend himself. Fact is, we don't know what happened and it should be investigated.

 

[kahless]

No, I don't think it was just the fact that he approached him... it was the fact that the police arrived 2 minutes after Martin was shot dead. The police TOLD Zimmerman that they were on the way and to not get out of his car... and he ignored that.

I could not find that in the transcript. All I see is 911 saying, "We don’t need you to do that."

Which is not the same as "do not do that" or "do not get out of your car".

 

[angelatc]

According to The National Sheriff's Association, who are in charge of the national neighborhood watch program the Sanford City program was NOT part of the program.

That's not important to me. I have no problem with a local police department developing their own program and protocols in lieu of kissing up to some self-important national sycophants.

 

[RickyJ]

I guess I'm the only one who really doesn't give a shit about this case.

No you are not the only one, I also don't care, so much so that I just today found out what it was all about. I got tired of seeing all the posts on it around here so I decided to finally find out what it was all about. Looks like self-defense to me, but possibly not, either way it is nothing for a nation and Freedom forum such as this one to be concerned about, we have bigger problems like getting Ron Paul's message out there. The clock is ticking and time is running out, not just for this election, but for America. This story is just a distraction and we don't need any distractions right now.

I was going to give your post a plus rep, but I suppose I can't since it appears you have been banned. I hope it is a temp one and you will be back.

 

[kylejack]

If Zimmerman brandished before he was attacked, he had already assaulted Martin. Martin may have thought his best bet was to close the distance before Zimmerman could fire and kick his ass.

 

[kahless]

He might have threatened him, he had the gun. What if the kid thought the guy was gonna shoot him and thought it was his only opportunity to defend himself. Fact is, we don't know what happened and it should be investigated.

It almost sounds like from the excerpt that he is worried the kid is packing.

Zimmerman: Now he’s staring at me. [00:48]

911 dispatcher: OK, you said that’s 1111 Retreat View or 111?

Zimmerman: That’s the clubhouse.

911 dispatcher: He’s near the clubhouse now?

Zimmerman: Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band. And he’s a black male.[1:03]

911 dispatcher: How old would you say he is?

Zimmerman: He’s got something on his shirt. About like his late teens.

911 dispatcher: Late teens?

Zimmerman: Uh, huh. Something’s wrong with him. Yep, he’s coming to check me out.

He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is. [01:20]

911 dispatcher: Let me know if he does anything, OK?

 

[kylejack]

Ridiculous. Zimmerman was sitting on Retreat View Circle. Of course he was coming toward him...it's the way into the neighborhood. Of course he was looking at him. He was probably wondering why this guy was sitting in his car staring at him.

Martin proceeded down Twin Trees past the clubhouse and to the sidewalk behind the townhomes.

 

[specsaregood]

911 excerpt.

which doesn't apply to anything I said.

 

[angelatc]

I don't care what the Florida Neighborhood Watch Association has to say about this or that. Putting together a neighborhood watch is up to a community, or a group of people within that community, or in the case of the busy body perhaps even just one person in that community. They are under no obligation to follow the advice of some statewide NGO that wants some kind of cut of the action. Their only obligation is that they act lawfully. Show were Zimmerman did anything unlawful, and you have cause to make an arrest. This other stuff is simply distraction.

Like it or not, being a trained member of a Neighborhood Watch program means he will be held to a different standard of behavior than you or I would. The prosecution will say that his training meant that he certainly knew leaving the car would be considered an act of aggression.

 

[AuH20]

If Zimmerman brandished before he was attacked, he had already assaulted Martin. Martin may have thought his best bet was to close the distance before Zimmerman could fire and kick his ass.

Agreed. If he brandished without any indication of violence from Martin, Zimmerman acted like an idiot.

 

[kahless]

which doesn't apply to anything I said.

Edited. Was distracted.

 

[bolil]

"May have been" I wasn't aware may have beens have become grounds for execution. The entire article/issue is a distraction. KONY 2012=2 minutes hate. Zimmerman=2 minutes hate. No one really knows what happens to have happened that night except that a teenager is dead. He can join the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi teens somewhere on the other side. Don't see much outrage over their murders... then again the iraqi teens are just collateral damage. Can we refocus on shit that matters please?

 

[angelatc]

"May have been" I wasn't aware may have beens have become grounds for execution. The entire article/issue is a distraction. KONY 2012=2 minutes hate. Zimmerman=2 minutes hate. No one really knows what happens to have happened that night except that a teenager is dead. He can join the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi teens somewhere on the other side. Don't see much outrage over their murders... then again the iraqi teens are just collateral damage. Can we refocus on shit that matters please?

Stop with the "we" already. You decide what you want to talk about, and I'll decide what I want to talk about.

 

[moo]

We don't know if zimmerman really saw something in his waistband or his hand. he could've made that information up off the top of his head. i can read between the lines and say that's code for
BLACK MAN WITH A GUN.
BLACK MAN WITH DRUGS.

 

[bolil]

Stop with the "we" already. You decide what you want to talk about, and I'll decide what I want to talk about.

Don't get your panties in a bunch... you can willingly exclude yourself from my we. But hey, nothing flaunts ignorance better than an easily distracted individual.