NYC's Sex Ed Curriculum Includes Porn, Bestiality

[specsaregood]

Are you saying you haven't noticed that morality in our society has gotten worse and worse with each passing year?

No, I'm not saying that.

And no, it wasn't always the case that teenage sex was acceptable or the norm.

Really? do you mean teenage sex? Or out of wedlock sex? When and where has the age of consent in a society been 20+?

 

[specsaregood]

Actually, I was thinking about High School "kids" when I wrote that. I don't describe college students as kids.

Even then, it was not out of the normal realm of possibilities for people to be married at 16 less than a century ago in the US (esp. females). It was accepted and fairly normal.

In 1950, the Median age of marriage was:
22.8 male
20.3 female.

Assuming a normal distribution, I'd venture that plenty of teenagers were getting married and having sex.

edit: And looking at the stats, it appears that only about 25% of "kids" went to high school in the 1950s.

 

[Occam's Banana]

I'm not so sure. Even if the church is not receiving money they are still paying less than they would otherwise.

Any individual or organization that is taxed at a rate less than 100 percent is "paying less than they would otherwise."

Therefore, any "logic" that claims that reduced taxation is a subsidy necessarily leads to the conclusion that any individual or organization that is not taxed at a rate of 100 percent is being "subsidized."

This is a complete perversion of the English language and the meaning of the concept denoted by the word "subsidy."

Would you consider orn farmers not getting taxed on crops as a form a subsidies?

No. Lower (or no) taxation is NOT a subsidy - UNLESS you are willing to assert that every single penny any person or group earns (& is allowed to keep) is a "subsidy."

I have little to no knowledge about all this.. why exactly do churches not pay taxes.. is there a legit reason or is it just special privilege?

Why do you characterize not being taxed (or paying lower taxes) as a "special privelege" that is somehow not "legit?"

Again, the "logic" you are using here insescapably leads to the conclusion that paying anything less than 100 percent taxes is a "special privelege."

Is that really what you mean to suggest? I certainly hope not!

 

[Matthew5]

Even then, it was not out of the normal realm of possibilities for people to be married at 16 less than a century ago in the US (esp. females). It was accepted and fairly normal.

In 1950, the Median age of marriage was:
22.8 male
20.3 female.

Assuming a normal distribution, I'd venture that plenty of teenagers were getting married and having sex.

I agree, it's odd that 18 is this magical number that you're suddenly mature enough to be an adult. "Kids" matured a whole lot faster in the past and were either pursuing a family, a vocation, or college at 14 and 15. I'm sure our standards of living and life expectancy has eased the need for kids to grow up so quickly. So it's certainly not any worse in that regards.

BTW, the film Kinsey starring Liam Neeson is an interesting movie on this subject.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Even then, it was not out of the normal realm of possibilities for people to be married at 16 less than a century ago in the US (esp. females). It was accepted and fairly normal.

In 1950, the Median age of marriage was:
22.8 male
20.3 female.

Assuming a normal distribution, I'd venture that plenty of teenagers were getting married and having sex.

edit: And looking at the stats, it appears that only about 25% of "kids" went to high school in the 1950s.

Yes, but you are forgetting the fact that people's lifespan used to be a lot shorter 100 years ago. Young people back then were a lot more mature than they are now.

Regarding school, I venture to say that what many of those kids learned in grade school exceeds what kids today learn by the time they get out of high school.

 

[LibertyEagle]

BTW, the film Kinsey starring Liam Neeson is an interesting movie on this subject.

Kinsey was quite the sicko. Go research him.

 

[Krugerrand]

I agree, it's odd that 18 is this magical number that you're suddenly mature enough to be an adult. "Kids" matured a whole lot faster in the past and were either pursuing a family, a vocation, or college at 14 and 15. I'm sure our standards of living and life expectancy has eased the need for kids to grow up so quickly. So it's certainly not any worse in that regards.

BTW, the film Kinsey starring Liam Neeson is an interesting movie on this subject.

Would that we could even agree on 18!

At that age you still cannot enjoy a class of champagne to celebrate with your wife over dinner your return from military service. And don't even think that your tank driving experience means for another 6+ years you will be permitted to rent a car.

 

[Danke]

No kidding. I mean just look at the people who they have given their own reality TV show, or even shows like Bad Girls. They aren't exactly good examples to be putting out there for young people, well, anyone.

I hate all the sex on the TV...

I keep falling off!

 

[Krugerrand]

I hate all the sex on the TV...

I keep falling off!

I'm told inflatable dolls can be so precarious.

 

[specsaregood]

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[Krugerrand]

Yes, but you are forgetting the fact that people's lifespan used to be a lot shorter 100 years ago. Young people back then were a lot more mature than they are now.

Regarding school, I venture to say that what many of those kids learned in grade school exceeds what kids today learn by the time they get out of high school.

Young people are coddled a lot more than they were then.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I'm not forgetting anything. It has nothing to do with my statement that it has always been normal and acceptable for teenagers to have sex.

But, you are incorrect. It hasn't ALWAYS been acceptable and the norm for teenagers to have sex.

Quite the broad brush you stroked with there. At 16, I was working 36hours a week while attending high school. I used the money to help buy groceries for my family and pay for my younger siblings little league. And i'm not alone. I guess "maturity" is in the eye of the beholder. We have a lot more latchkey kids nowadays than we did back then; mature enough to come home and take care of themselves and their siblings. In the 50's there was much more often an adult in the home, taking care of responsibilites that kids today are required to do.

Yes, it was a generalization. Sorry. I know there are always exceptions. But, I do still think the statement is true.

I wouldnt be too sure about that. In fact, I'd argue the opposite. Kids are required to consume much more knowledge, quicker and it is a negative as all it does is reinforce memorization skills rather than focusing on core abilities and principles which server them better in life.

Upon graduation, if many are unable to do arithmetic, spell, and barely read, I question whether they are consuming what you are calling knowledge.

 

[specsaregood]

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[specsaregood]

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[LibertyEagle]

Edit to add:
Also, I'm not convinced that morality HAS gotten worse. Look at what went into tar and feathering. People went picnicking to watch the civil war. Look at what the KKK did to people.

There have always been outliers. Have you guys never watched Leave it to Beaver? lol. Back in those days, nice girls didn't have sex and those who did had quite the reputation around town.

 

[Krugerrand]

Beaver seems pretty darn coddled by today's standards. Define coddling? Cuz having a mom having a hot breakfast ready for you and being there when you get home sounds a lot more like coddling to me than having to slide your own poptart into the toaster before going to school, and coming home to an empty house. not to mention all the kids who have to switch between houses nowadays since their parents aren't together.

I use coddling to refer to being shielded from responsibility for one's actions and by being sustained by others in an artificial environment such as school/college.

 

[LibertyEagle]

When hasn't it? When has the age of consent been 20+?

I am talking about kids having sex in high school. It was not the norm; not for girls, at least. Not when I was growing up.

I agree, the schools push temporary knowledge memory rather than focusing on skills: such as reading, writing and arithmetic. The skills that would help them attain knowledge on their own later in life. But that isn't the kids fault.

I wasn't placing blame. I was just stating a fact.

 

[specsaregood]

I use coddling to refer to being shielded from responsibility for one's actions and by being sustained by others in an artificial environment such as school/college.

Well using that definition I would argue that kids nowadays get LESS coddling earlier in life when it is most important, and MORE coddling later in life when they shouldn't be getting it.

 

[Matthew5]

Kinsey was quite the sicko. Go research him.

Didn't say I agreed with him. Still doesn't negate the fact that it's an interesting story on sex in the 40's and 50's.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well using that definition I would argue that kids nowadays get LESS coddling earlier in life when it is most important, and MORE coddling later in life when they shouldn't be getting it.

Well, that's probably true for everyone. Not just kids. Because a large number of adults today, seem to want one hell of a lot of coddling. Their coddler might be government, but it is coddling just the same.