NYC's Sex Ed Curriculum Includes Porn, Bestiality

[Krugerrand]

There have always been outliers. Have you guys never watched Leave it to Beaver? lol. Back in those days, nice girls didn't have sex and those who did had quite the reputation around town.

Didn't you ever hear about what those 'nice' girls were doing in the Roaring 20's?

I guess I'd distinguish between being moral and conforming to social mores. 'Sexual purity,' if you'll allow me the expression, seems to be be somewhat cyclical from a social more standpoint.

 

[specsaregood]

I am talking about kids having sex in high school. It was not the norm; not for girls, at least. Not when I was growing up.

If you want to say that the amount of promiscuous practiced by kids under 18 has increased dramatically over the past century, i would agree with that. But teenagers in general have been doing it forever.

 

[Krugerrand]

Well using that definition I would argue that kids nowadays get LESS coddling earlier in life when it is most important, and MORE coddling later in life when they shouldn't be getting it.

And I would agree - especially if we tweak that from kids to 'young people.'

 

[TonySutton]

Who are we to tell the people of New York City what curriculum they have for their schools? If the parents in NYC do not want this they can address it. It is NONE of our business.

 

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[Krugerrand]

Who are we to tell the people of New York City what curriculum they have for their schools? If the parents in NYC do not want this they can address it. It is NONE of our business.

If I believed they COULD address it, I would agree that the issue isn't worth discussing. However, the fact is that parents are robbed to pay school taxes for institutions that they CANNOT address.

 

[Matthew5]

If you want to say that the amount of promiscuous practiced by kids under 18 has increased dramatically over the past century, i would agree with that. But teenagers in general have been doing it forever.

As long as there has been "P"s and "V"s, there has been "S" as an old church lady used to say. lol

Since the sexual revolution, we just now start publicly acknowledging it. Teens have always had the desire, it's the way they're wired for survival. But as parents, we have to decide how we handle those instincts. Do we do like we did in the Victorian era and sow young men in feed sacks if they spend the night? Or do we have open, honest discussions about sex and the consequences.

I guess the question is, can a community come together and agree on a minimum standard on sex ed or should it be limited to the home exclusively because it's such a morality-heavy issue (then again, one could argue so is science)?

I would say that this NYC sex ed goes too far in including information about complex issues of sex. But it's very complicated because each family's moral compass is different, so maybe it is best left in the home. *pondering*

 

[LibertyEagle]

I have to admit that when I was a little kid, it was nice to know that my Mother was going to be home when I got out of school. It was nice to know that certain things could always be counted on. I think that's extremely important when you are young. I also think parents have ceded responsibility for their children's schooling to teachers. Even back when I was growing up, schools were heading downhill. But, my Mother took the initiative to go get copies of all the books I was going to have during the next school year and she read them all. If there was something in one of them she didn't think was correct, say, in the history book they were planning to use, she raised holy hell. If she couldn't manage to get the book replaced, which I know would be unheard of today, she would make sure she was putting what she thought was the truth, in front of me in the form of a variety of old history books. She had a habit of scouring old book stores for things like this.

Back then, parents took a lot more interest in what their children were learning. I remember in my neighborhood, we knew who had what encyclopedias, we knew who had the old National Geographics, if we needed to cut a picture out for a report, we knew which parent was the Math whiz, if we ran into something our parents didn't know, etc.

When I was in grade school, my Mother found out from the teacher that I was basically memorizing words. So, my Mother found someone to teach me Phonetics after school. She also largely taught me Geometry, because my teacher tried, but wasn't so hot. She also taught me how to diagram sentences, way better than my teacher. The bottom line is that parents used to take a much more active roll in their children's education. I think it needs to get back to that.

There was a trade-off when women were made to feel like they had to work, whether they had a family or not. It's one thing to make it a possibility. It's quite another to make women feel like dirt if they didn't work outside of the home. There was a time when this was the case.

Oh, by the way, my Mother had one year of college. One. Her family was poor and that was all they could afford. But, you know what? I didn't know until after she died, but she went to college when she was 14 years old. Yes, you heard that right. I'm the youngest and they frequently forgot to tell me things. lol. She had more knowledge in her little finger than I have in my entire body, and I have an advanced degree.

When I say things have changed a lot in our society, it's because they have. Some good and a lot, not so good.

 

[specsaregood]

I guess the question is, can a community come together and agree on a minimum standard on sex ed or should it be limited to the home exclusively because it's such a morality-heavy issue (then again, one could argue so is science)?

I would say that this NYC sex ed goes too far in including information about complex issues of sex. But it's very complicated because each family's moral compass is different, so maybe it is best left in the home. *pondering*

I learned about sex well before I had a fair understanding of morality. I learned it by seeing cows, horses and dogs and rabbits hump. I learned that it was what you do when you want to make a baby. The morality stuff came years later. The thought of making a baby scared me way more than diseases and such well into adulthood.

 

[dannno]

What we're against is the state mandating certain curricula, whether it be pro-sex indoctrination or abstinence only. It doesn't matter which one it is, they both rob the parents of their role in dealing with this subject. It is not the state's role to tell my children when, how and with whom they should be having sex with, that's a moral issue best dealt with inside the family.

Something tells me that the OP would have either not posted the story or posted the story in praise had they been switching from something else to abstinence-only education.

My problem is that the attitude we get from the OP is that some how they are teaching these kids that bestiality and risky sexual behavior is completely ok when they aren't. This is all just more FrankRep propaganda.

 

[dannno]

Of course they do, when they tell you that having gay sex is ok, when they make teenage sex seem acceptable and the norm.

Having gay sex is "ok" for people who are gay unless you think you are going to hell for it and teenage sex has been the norm since the dawn of life.

 

[dannno]

beastality? wtf they're teaching kids about having sex with animals?

I'm pretty dang liberal but has that become socially acceptable and I don't know or what?

lol.. good job FrankRep, you tricked another one

 

[dannno]

Are they going to teach the kiddies about magic mushrooms next?

Ya, actually they do teach that in health class, but they teach a bunch of bullshit propaganda that they are bad for you instead of the fact that studies prove most people have some of the most spiritually enhancing and rewarding experiences of their entire lives on magic mushrooms.

 

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[eduardo89]

Something tells me that the OP would have either not posted the story or posted the story in praise had they been switching from something else to abstinence-only education.

My problem is that the attitude we get from the OP is that some how they are teaching these kids that bestiality and risky sexual behavior is completely ok when they aren't. This is all just more FrankRep propaganda.

Just like the OP would not have posted an article defending Palestinians' right to self determination. But that's besides the point, I think 99% of us on this forum can agree that the state has no right to teach ANY sex education, be it abstinence only or otherwise.


On another note, I'm surprised my comment about teenagers having sex led to 5 pages of discussion. I should probably clarify: what I meant was how decaying morals over the past century have led to an acceptance, and in many cases a promotion, of teenage promiscuity and pre-marital sex.

 

[dannno]

You think it has been and is the norm for children to be having sex?

Children?? You mean teenagers? Well, yes. It has always been the "norm" for teenagers to have sex, however it was less acceptable before and so it was either done with more discretion or within the confines of a more serious, young, relationship that was expected to lead to marriage.

As far as why it became more acceptable, that is a different can of worms. What has happened is that the time we tell kids to stay in school has increased longer and longer and so kids are expected to wait for marriage longer and longer and that isn't going to be successful much past 16 or 17, and in many cases much younger, so as we push our kids harder and harder they are going to find themselves in open relationships earlier because they see more of their friends doing it.

I guarantee it is all a direct result of pushing kids to stay in school and delay serious relationships early on that leads to more promiscuous sex in the early years.

 

[eduardo89]

Having gay sex is "ok" for people who are gay unless you think you are going to hell for it and teenage sex has been the norm since the dawn of life.

Having gay sex being ok as long as you're gay to me is the same as saying having sex with 6 year olds is ok as long as you're a pedophile, morally speaking. They're both wrong and there isn't a way to justify them as "ok"

 

[Krugerrand]

As long as there has been "P"s and "V"s, there has been "S" as an old church lady used to say. lol

Since the sexual revolution, we just now start publicly acknowledging it. Teens have always had the desire, it's the way they're wired for survival. But as parents, we have to decide how we handle those instincts. Do we do like we did in the Victorian era and sow young men in feed sacks if they spend the night? Or do we have open, honest discussions about sex and the consequences.

I guess the question is, can a community come together and agree on a minimum standard on sex ed or should it be limited to the home exclusively because it's such a morality-heavy issue (then again, one could argue so is science)?

I would say that this NYC sex ed goes too far in including information about complex issues of sex. But it's very complicated because each family's moral compass is different, so maybe it is best left in the home. *pondering*

I think the so-called 'sexual revolution' is full of hooey. Take a look at The Heptameron (1558) or The Canterbury Tales (1300's)

You have to start with the source of the problem - public schooling. Parents alone should get to make schooling decisions for their children. From there, if they like or don't like what a school is teaching, they can respond accordingly.

 

[dannno]

Just like the OP would not have posted an article defending Palestinians' right to self determination. But that's besides the point, I think 99% of us on this forum can agree that the state has no right to teach ANY sex education, be it abstinence only or otherwise.

I agree the state shouldn't be teaching sex ed, I just find it hilarious that they teach about bestiality and so all of a sudden all the Christians fly off the handlebars and assume that they are teaching bestiality is "ok"


The fact is kids joke about that shit, it is joked about on tv, in movies and the internet.. so they are addressing it to make sure kids know the risks and the laws and the repercussions for such actions.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

At 16, I was working 36hours a week while attending high school. (early 90's) I used the money to help buy groceries for my family and pay for my younger siblings little league. And i'm not alone. I guess "maturity" is in the eye of the beholder.

Even in today's society, older children who take care of younger children tend to mature faster, at least in a lot of common sense ways. The increase in only-child families could partially account for more "coddling" of children.

I learned about sex well before I had a fair understanding of morality. I learned it by seeing cows, horses and dogs and rabbits hump.

Lol! Yeah, bestiality is almost unknown when there are no beasts available. On the other hand, farm boys have always known....errr, nevermind.