Musk Advocates to Double H-1B Visas

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https://www.economist.com/international/2024/03/27/narendra-modis-secret-weapon-indias-diaspora
 
Anti Federalist said:
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https://www.economist.com/international/2024/03/27/narendra-modis-secret-weapon-indias-diaspora
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I've worked with a lot of H1-Bs because I work in high tech. Here are the traits I have observed in my slice of that world:

- 99+% of them naturalize
- They actually like, even admire, America, both as a land and as a people
- They are actually intelligent, and have real degrees; many of them get their graduate degrees here, not abroad
- The overall cast and hue of H1-B immigrants is socially liberal (but non-Woke), fiscally conservative
- I personally know Indians who vote Republican and are hard fiscal-conservatives; Vivek is not a rare bird

I'm not going to say there isn't a tertiary agenda by the Indian government. I'm not paid enough to know such things. But whatever their agenda, they are absolutely not the same situation as we have with the southern border. Musk is right: H1-Bs need to be fixed, but they're not the substance of the border problem. I am absolutely baffled why the Right suddenly considers this a hill worth dying on. It feels like political sabotage, actually, because this will not play out in the long-run. H1-Bs are not holding up your liquor stores and whatever job displacement may be caused by fraud or crappy administration within immigration can be fixed by properly enforcing the rules and having rules that stop fraud. And if someone hired from overseas actually is better for the job... then so be it. Real competition is a core American value. If you (generic) lost your job because an Indian was (truly) better qualified ... stop being a loser and be the better-qualified candidate. That's America 101!!!
 
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Brian4Liberty said:
And much of the nation does not value education. You would be fine with this argument if it is applied to the ghetto, but you take it personally in this case.
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Imagine that, I don't see all of America and all of the common man as the ghetto or any other subset of bottom class Americans of any race.
MTG does.

Brian4Liberty said:
But when talking about H1B visas, making these arguments is tone deaf. It either dismisses or is ignorant of the reality of the situation. There are American kids who excel at STEM, and get degrees that should land them entry level jobs. But they are excluded, and the reason is the H1B program. It opened the door to a vast number of people to come to America, and then engage in cronyism, where they only hire their own. that is the problem at hand. To dismiss this as racism is what Musk and his sycophants are doing right now, and that does result in angry responses.
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And that is the context in which she said this.
 
ClaytonB said:
You mean RINOs and pretend-libertarians. Profit is profit like gravity is gravity -- you can't be rid of it for trying. The globalist, omnipotent State is profiting at this very moment to the tune of billions of US dollars sent to Ukraine, Israel, and many other countries where wealth produced by hard-working Americans has no business being looted by a corrupt collusion of hostile foreigners and domestic turncoats.

So, yeah, profit is profit... that means that Burisma is the "market arbitrage" on the absolute refusal of the RINO/neoCON Establishment to actually pay attention in economics class instead of day-dreaming about how they're going to outfit the new yacht their daddy gave them for Christmas and how much that will impress their country-club buddies. The RINO jocks have an absolute stranglehold on the R-party and they've had it for at least the time that I've been alive... they are an incorrigible bunch of self-righteous, know-it-all meatheads who simply won't listen to reason because they're already on top of the world so obviously they're right about everything. Except Burisma. And Israel. And Iran. And ISIS. And on and on the list goes.

The neoCONs -- a bunch of trained Marxists in "conservative" camouflage -- have been spinning these brainstem jocks in circles for decades with just this one simple trick. Make the RINOs feel like they're important and in charge of everything, and they'll let you do whatever you want. As long as you stroke their ego... flattery is the oldest and cheapest method of seizing power. This is why Brian Williams described the video of Baghdad being bombed to oblivion as "beautiful". Tell the MIC their crimes are "beautiful" and they'll hand you the nuclear codes.

Profit IS profit. That is as true in North Korea as it is in a Colombian jungle coke plantation as it is on Wall Street. It is not the (true) libertarians who are pollyannas; it is the RINO/MIC/neoCON Establishment that has become a teetering gerontocracy, the ugliest form of wolves competing for the inheritance when today's Alpha finally keels over. Wisdom -- let alone understanding or even just basic knowledge -- fits nowhere into the picture.

We have to have a border in order to have a country. But the people who are currently running that narrative are mostly neoCON wolves. Don't fall for the sheepskin camo, it's a ruse...
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Profit is not profit when you end up as the richest man in the dunghill because you sold your home to be used as one.
True profit has many dimensions other than "number in bank account go up".
 
Musk bends the knee to Trump
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1873191959441084531

Easily fixed by raising the minimum salary significantly and adding a yearly cost for maintaining the H1B, making it materially more expensive to hire from overseas than domestically.

I’ve been very clear that the program is broken and needs major reform.

 
ClaytonB said:
... I am absolutely baffled why the Right suddenly considers this a hill worth dying on.
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Musk stepped on a land mine, and instead of contemplating his next move he doubled and tripled down, threw logic and facts out the windows, and became emotional about it, especially since he was being ratioed on his own platform.

Interestingly enough, the battle lines have been similar to the previous Israel battles on the right. Many of the same people that support Israel in everything they do, and scream "anti-Semitism" at every opportunity, are the same people who are now defending H1Bs and screaming "racism" at every opportunity.
 
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ClaytonB said:
...Real competition is a core American value. ...
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To a certain extent. I've said it before on this forum and I'll say it again, humans are not widgets. Competition and free markets are applicable when talking about selling and trading widgets.

But an imported "widget" from a foreign nation does not require:

- A job
- Housing
- Food
- Transportation, vehicles, roads
- Medical care
- Education
- Govt support


https://x.com/USAB4L/status/1873594014177645025
 
ClaytonB said:
I've worked with a lot of H1-Bs because I work in high tech. Here are the traits I have observed in my slice of that world:

- 99+% of them naturalize
- They actually like, even admire, America, both as a land and as a people
- They are actually intelligent, and have real degrees; many of them get their graduate degrees here, not abroad
- The overall cast and hue of H1-B immigrants is socially liberal (but non-Woke), fiscally conservative
- I personally know Indians who vote Republican and are hard fiscal-conservatives; Vivek is not a rare bird

I'm not going to say there isn't a tertiary agenda by the Indian government. I'm not paid enough to know such things. But whatever their agenda, they are absolutely not the same situation as we have with the southern border. Musk is right: H1-Bs need to be fixed, but they're not the substance of the border problem. I am absolutely baffled why the Right suddenly considers this a hill worth dying on. It feels like political sabotage, actually, because this will not play out in the long-run. H1-Bs are not holding up your liquor stores and whatever job displacement may be caused by fraud or crappy administration within immigration can be fixed by properly enforcing the rules and having rules that stop fraud. And if someone hired from overseas actually is better for the job... then so be it. Real competition is a core American value. If you (generic) lost your job because an Indian was (truly) better qualified ... stop being a loser and be the better-qualified candidate. That's America 101!!!
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They are not better for the job, everyone who deals with them knows how incompetent they are and anyone who knows anything about India knows that cheating for degrees is their mainstream culture.
The few superior ones don't give a fig for meritocracy and seek to drive out the natives and take over any place they can.

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We don't have to compete against foreign slaves (that's how H1B functions, they can't change jobs and either do whatever the boss demands or get shipped back to the dunghole they came from).

Hindi are taking over in business and politics all over the anglosphere, and they only bring corruption and decay.
 
Just thought it might be helpful to mention that Indians are called "The Jews of the Orient" in Asia.

Let that sink in.
 
ClaytonB said:
I've worked with a lot of H1-Bs because I work in high tech. Here are the traits I have observed in my slice of that world:

- 99+% of them naturalize
- They actually like, even admire, America, both as a land and as a people
- They are actually intelligent, and have real degrees; many of them get their graduate degrees here, not abroad
- The overall cast and hue of H1-B immigrants is socially liberal (but non-Woke), fiscally conservative
- I personally know Indians who vote Republican and are hard fiscal-conservatives; Vivek is not a rare bird

I'm not going to say there isn't a tertiary agenda by the Indian government. I'm not paid enough to know such things. But whatever their agenda, they are absolutely not the same situation as we have with the southern border. Musk is right: H1-Bs need to be fixed, but they're not the substance of the border problem. I am absolutely baffled why the Right suddenly considers this a hill worth dying on. It feels like political sabotage, actually, because this will not play out in the long-run. H1-Bs are not holding up your liquor stores and whatever job displacement may be caused by fraud or crappy administration within immigration can be fixed by properly enforcing the rules and having rules that stop fraud. And if someone hired from overseas actually is better for the job... then so be it. Real competition is a core American value. If you (generic) lost your job because an Indian was (truly) better qualified ... stop being a loser and be the better-qualified candidate. That's America 101!!!
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I'm afraid you misunderstand me.

I don't care about any of that.

Infinity Hindoos were not required to build this nation and they, or any others, are not required to sustain it.

What I care about is when I go to visit one of the nation's most stunning vistas, Mt. Washington NH, overlooking the land my people have lived on, worked and built for almost 400 years now, and I am swamped with, quite literally, 15,000 or more foreigners, who do not look like me, who do not speak my language, who do not share my religion or heritage or history in any way. That I have suddenly found myself a stranger in my own land, with not one in a hundred of the people there that look like me.

I'm told I'm not "allowed" to have these concerns.

That America is an idea, not a nation of "blood and soil".

That anybody who comes here, regardless of who they are, if they "compete" and enhance the global corporatocracy's bottom line, they are welcome.

If America is nothing more than an idea, a proposition, if that's the case, why do they need to be here in the first place?

Why can't all these stunningly brilliant and hard working and amazing innovators create an America on the sub-continent?

They are an ancient and knowledgeable civilization, like the Japanese and Chinese and Koreans, who all did that without the need to invade us in overwhelming numbers.

The reason is simple: this is a war of conquest. They want what nations and creeds has always wanted, resources and elbow room to grow and prosper their own kind.

No different than the one we waged on the "Indian" natives (so poetic and farcical, that, don't you think) to conquer them.

And if we do not stiffen our spines and defend what it ours, then that is just how we will end up.

A remnant, decimated population, reduced to third class citizens, living on third rate reservations not much more than open air prisons, gazing out at the land that used to be our homes.

The bottom line of a trillion dollar international tech corporation, that wants to save a few pennies on the dollar by hiring foreign labor, that does nothing more than "innovating" new ways to write computer coding to blast porn over the interwebs or come up with some new system to put me under surveillance, means less than nothing to me.
 
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Swordsmyth said:
Musk bends the knee to Trump
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1873191959441084531

Easily fixed by raising the minimum salary significantly and adding a yearly cost for maintaining the H1B, making it materially more expensive to hire from overseas than domestically.

I’ve been very clear that the program is broken and needs major reform.

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Ah yes good to see Musk matching Trump's long-held policy proposal to... *checks notes* ... pay H-1B workers more.
 
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