[Milei WINS!] Javier Milei, Austrian econ. prof. & ancap, runs for president of Argentina

[John-G]

The dog is so easily wagged.

When your enemy wins a small but real victory and you want to trivialize it, you invite him to your club and you surround him with your retards, hunchbacks and misfits. "See, you're part of the club now. You fit right in!" That is why Zelensky is in Argentina. Argentina does not benefit from cutting ties with Ukraine, so it's not a hill worth dying on just in order not to be seen with Zelensky.

Milei is Catholic. I don't pretend to understand why he says he wants to "convert" to Judaism, unless it's more of a PR thing to signal strong solidarity to Jews in his base. If he's sincere, then he's a theological moron but the Good Shepherd knows how to handle stupid sheep, as we all are.

This is the part that puzzles me, why mock the power that be by campaigning on a system that is a direct rebuke of their prosperity and yet unwilling to keep a Zelensky a bay while you focus on your country. Zelensky tried the same thing with the Israelis and they told him to "stay back". I am not even saying he cut ties with Zelensky just stop kissing their arse.

Argentina is a basket case, he needs to be laser focused on fixing their problems not trying to suck up to a soon to be defeated eastern european dictator.

 

[John-G]

Crypto-globalist doing the work of globalism...

fantastico, I truly hope I am wrong about him.

 

[ClaytonB]

This is the part that puzzles me, why mock the power that be by campaigning on a system that is a direct rebuke of their prosperity and yet unwilling to keep a Zelensky a bay while you focus on your country. Zelensky tried the same thing with the Israelis and they told him to "stay back". I am not even saying he cut ties with Zelensky just stop kissing their arse.

Argentina is a basket case, he needs to be laser focused on fixing their problems not trying to suck up to a soon to be defeated eastern european dictator.

It's just not that simple. Too many libertarians go in for the "litmus test" approach to "testing libertarian orthodoxy" and if somebody "fails the litmus test" by... talking to "the wrong people", then they're clearly not libertarian. Milei met Bill Clinton after the election and a lot of people tried to make a big hoopla about it, as though this somehow indicates that Milei agrees with Clinton or his policies. But it's pretty simple to understand why Milei met him. It was a mutually beneficial meeting because Clinton is getting beaten up post-Epstein, and I'm willing to guess he extended the invitation, not the other way around, to remind people he was once a President, and important. Milei's motives for accepting the meeting are similar -- it bolsters his "presidential image" back home, and it's also important to remember that the world economy experienced a global economic boom during the 1990's (not due to Clinton, but political figures always get credit for the good times, no matter how little credit they deserve), and so meeting with Clinton is a way of saying to Argentinians back home, "I'm bringing back the good times." Does it make rational sense? Of course not, but that's not how the mind of the masses works. It moves on heart-thinking, not head-thinking.

Even though it's quite false, the Ukrainians have captured the status of sympathetic heroes (TPTB have been very adept at painting them in a sympathetic light). As already mentioned, Milei is president of Argentina not President of the US global empire... so his "support" of Ukraine is purely symbolic. Given that Ukraine has sympathetic status, it's simply makes no sense for Milei to die on the hill of not meeting Zelensky. Privately, Milei might have nothing but contempt for Zelensky/Ukraine... he might understand all the geopolitics involved. But no matter what, he doesn't benefit from trying to "end the war in Ukraine"... it's not his fight. It's our fight but only because our corrupt DC Establishment keeps sticking us up for another $100 billion and shipping it off to Ukraine. But that's not Milei's problem, that's our problem. So the "Ukraine litmus test" makes no sense when applied to Milei.

 

[John-G]

It's just not that simple. Too many libertarians go in for the "litmus test" approach to "testing libertarian orthodoxy" and if somebody "fails the litmus test" by... talking to "the wrong people", then they're clearly not libertarian. Milei met Bill Clinton after the election and a lot of people tried to make a big hoopla about it, as though this somehow indicates that Milei agrees with Clinton or his policies. But it's pretty simple to understand why Milei met him. It was a mutually beneficial meeting because Clinton is getting beaten up post-Epstein, and I'm willing to guess he extended the invitation, not the other way around, to remind people he was once a President, and important. Milei's motives for accepting the meeting are similar -- it bolsters his "presidential image" back home, and it's also important to remember that the world economy experienced a global economic boom during the 1990's (not due to Clinton, but political figures always get credit for the good times, no matter how little credit they deserve), and so meeting with Clinton is a way of saying to Argentinians back home, "I'm bringing back the good times." Does it make rational sense? Of course not, but that's not how the mind of the masses works. It moves on heart-thinking, not head-thinking.

Even though it's quite false, the Ukrainians have captured the status of sympathetic heroes (TPTB have been very adept at painting them in a sympathetic light). As already mentioned, Zelenksy is president of Argentina not President of the US global empire... so his "support" of Ukrainian is purely symbolic. Given that Ukraine has sympathetic status, it's simply makes no sense for Milei to die on the hill of not meeting Zelensky. Privately, Milei might have nothing but contempt for Zelensky/Ukraine... he might understand all the geopolitics involved. But no matter what, he doesn't benefit from trying to "end the war in Ukraine"... it's not his fight. It's our fight but only because our corrupt DC Establishment keeps sticking us up for another $100 billion and shipping it off to Ukraine. But that's not Milei's problem, that's our problem. So the "Ukraine litmus test" makes no sense when applied to Milei.

It's not an either-or scenario. Keep open ties with Zelenski but don't let him come visit now. The Israelis were able to tell him to stay the F back when he tried to show up after Oct 7. Its not the end of the world but it just adds to the other reasons that keeps me from embracing him.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

There will be EU meetings about Ukraine next week. This inauguration event put Zelensky in a position to make his case to Orban...

President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine had a conversation with the Prime Minister of Hungary, Viktor Orbán during the inauguration ceremony of the President of Argentina, Javier Milei.

As reported by Ukrinform, footage of the exchange was shown during a broadcast on the Argentina Senate’s YouTube channel.

Zelenskyi and Orbán spoke in the Argentine parliament. The content of their discussion has not been reported.

As reported, Orbán, in a letter to the President of the European Council, Charles Michel, urged him not to put a decision on macro-financial assistance to Ukraine and negotiations on the country’s accession to the EU on the agenda of the upcoming EU summit.

An EU spokesman later said Michel would cut short his trip to China as Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán threatened to disrupt an EU summit at the end of the year.

On December 14, the European Council should consider the issue of launching negotiations on Ukraine's accession to the EU.

 

[acptulsa]

It's not an either-or scenario. Keep open ties with Zelenski but don't let him come visit now. The Israelis were able to tell him to stay the F back when he tried to show up after Oct 7. Its not the end of the world but it just adds to the other reasons that keeps me from embracing him.

Kissing neocons ass might buy him and, more importantly, the entire country, some space to breathe. He already has Klaus Schwab sabre-rattling about his freedom-loving ass. And if you don't think Klaus has sabres to rattle you aren't paying attention.

Kissing your ass, on the other hand, is guaranteed to buy him and his people nothing at all.

You seriously need to read this book.

 

[ClaytonB]

CHAINSAW!

 

[ClaytonB]

It's not an either-or scenario. Keep open ties with Zelenski but don't let him come visit now. The Israelis were able to tell him to stay the F back when he tried to show up after Oct 7. Its not the end of the world but it just adds to the other reasons that keeps me from embracing him.

Argentina is not Israel. Milei is not Netanyahu. It's a false comparison.

 

[John-G]

Argentina is not Israel. Milei is not Netanyahu. It's a false comparison.

I agree, hes supposed to be better than Bibi. Is it possibly to at least concede that this is not his best quality, but he would still end up being a good liberty leader? I am sure the man has a/multiple weak spot(s).

 

[ClaytonB]

I agree, hes supposed to be better than Bibi. Is it possibly to at least concede that this is not his best quality, but he would still end up being a good liberty leader? I am sure the man has a/multiple weak spot(s).

*sigh -- you and a few others in this thread keep trying to divert attention away from the significance of the Argentina victory. Milei campaigned on and won on the ideas of liberty. Go watch any of his TV interviews, he's body-slamming the corrupt global establishment harder than Murray Rothbard or Hans Hoppe, all things considered. And Rothbard and Hoppe are the gold-standard of anti-statism, you will not find any stronger mixture than that. That this was a winning strategy is astounding because the status quo establishment has built its entire house-of-cards on the axiom that real liberty can never be popular -- it's just some weird obsession of backwards philosophy nerds who wear ugly sweaters and lack basic social skills. Even if Milei turns out to be a bought-and-paid-for WEF operative and a secret anti-libertarian posing as a libertarian, etc. etc. etc. those are all matters of his personality... the lesson of Argentina is that he won on our ideas. Feel free to continue ignoring that lesson as you have throughout this thread, but that really is the lesson here. Javier Milei won the Argentine presidency by campaigning on Rothbard and Hoppe quotes, restated in his own words. That's incredible, and it portends very badly for the WEF vampires. Klaus Schwab is so worried that the latest shipments of maggot-patties and cockroach-milk might slow down that he has come out and denounced "libertarianism", a word that is so despised among the globalists that, as a rule, they never even mention it, as though Satan himself is going to *poof* into the room in a cloud of brimstone smoke the moment they utter it. Here's a theory as to what has Schwab's Depends all in a twist... maybe it has something to do with, I don't know, a libertarian recently winning the presidential election in Argentina? Just a thought...

 

[Swordsmyth]

The dog is so easily wagged.

When your enemy wins a small but real victory and you want to trivialize it, you invite him to your club and you surround him with your retards, hunchbacks and misfits. "See, you're part of the club now. You fit right in!" That is why Zelensky is in Argentina. Argentina does not benefit from cutting ties with Ukraine, so it's not a hill worth dying on just in order not to be seen with Zelensky.

Milei is Catholic. I don't pretend to understand why he says he wants to "convert" to Judaism, unless it's more of a PR thing to signal strong solidarity to Jews in his base. If he's sincere, then he's a theological moron but the Good Shepherd knows how to handle stupid sheep, as we all are.

Yes, he will deny those who deny him.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Argentina Will Stay in Paris Climate Agreement Under Milei, Negotiator Says

“This is why I came to this COP, to reassure our party stakeholders and people following the process that Argentina will stay committed to the Paris Agreement. We will honour all our environmental agreements,” Levaggi [Veteran climate diplomat] said.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...climate-agreement-under-milei-negotiator-says


Now let's see what Milei has to say about it.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Argentina Will Stay in Paris Climate Agreement Under Milei, Negotiator Says

“This is why I came to this COP, to reassure our party stakeholders and people following the process that Argentina will stay committed to the Paris Agreement. We will honour all our environmental agreements,” Levaggi [Veteran climate diplomat] said.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...climate-agreement-under-milei-negotiator-says


Now let's see what Milei has to say about it.

 

[Anti Federalist]

"Milei is a liberal, he's a libertarian, and he believes in market forces. And the market demands to include measures to address climate change."

Argentina will also keep its commitment to reach net zero emissions by 2050, she said.

Green Marxism is designed to crush market forces.

That is it's goal.

That is why the two fastest growing economies in the world ignore "climate change".

Hostile foreign apparatchiks, beyond the reach of citizens, smothering your nation in red tape and market destroying mandates of "tiers" and "bins" and "schemes" is not freedom.

 

[ClaytonB]

Green Marxism is designed to crush market forces.

That is it's goal.

That is why the two fastest growing economies in the world ignore "climate change".

Hostile foreign apparatchiks, beyond the reach of citizens, smothering your nation in red tape and market destroying mandates of "tiers" and "bins" and "schemes" is not freedom.

True. But Milei has proven he is politically sophisticated, meaning, he knows better than to try to directly butt heads with the globalists. Argentina is not the US. The government of Argentina cannot take on the globalists, they will be squashed like a bug. But that doesn't mean that the people of Argentina cannot stand up to the globalists and send them packing. Milei's win is nothing if not a populist movement. Now and then I hear him say something that worries me a little. But after 7 years of anti-Trump doomsaying from every quarter of US politics (except MAGA itself), I don't comb Trump's or Milei's words as finely as that. A sophisticated political operator knows how to quell the flames with the right verbal concessions, while hitting back behind closed doors. None of this means that Milei is axiomatically good, that he cannot betray the principles of liberty he campaigned on. He may yet betray but the evidence so far is resoundingly in the "Milei is a good guy" column, having just struck 12 of 20 cabinet-level departments from the Argentine government. I'm sure that nobody in the departments of Women, Gender and Diversity, or Tourism and Sports has any doubt that Milei will fulfill his campaign promises as they start looking for a new job...

 

[acptulsa]

It's interesting that Poland, also, is allowed to close borders as long as they rattle sabres they don't have.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1734521119250559082

Poland's PM Tusk demands "full mobilization of the free world, the Western world, to help Ukraine in the war" against Russia — Rzeczpospolita

 

[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/DanielDiMartino/status/1735662406066450655

 

[WarriorLiberty]

True. But Milei has proven he is politically sophisticated, meaning, he knows better than to try to directly butt heads with the globalists. Argentina is not the US. The government of Argentina cannot take on the globalists, they will be squashed like a bug. But that doesn't mean that the people of Argentina cannot stand up to the globalists and send them packing. Milei's win is nothing if not a populist movement. Now and then I hear him say something that worries me a little. But after 7 years of anti-Trump doomsaying from every quarter of US politics (except MAGA itself), I don't comb Trump's or Milei's words as finely as that. A sophisticated political operator knows how to quell the flames with the right verbal concessions, while hitting back behind closed doors. None of this means that Milei is axiomatically good, that he cannot betray the principles of liberty he campaigned on. He may yet betray but the evidence so far is resoundingly in the "Milei is a good guy" column, having just struck 12 of 20 cabinet-level departments from the Argentine government. I'm sure that nobody in the departments of Women, Gender and Diversity, or Tourism and Sports has any doubt that Milei will fulfill his campaign promises as they start looking for a new job...

He is already with the Globalists.

The moment you support Ukraine and want give more to Ukraine you are no populist.


Boris Johnson claimed he was populist yet he was all for the 2030 agenda.

 

[acptulsa]

The moment you support Ukraine...

"Support" as in maintain financially or "support" as in cheer for rah rah rah?

...and want give more to Ukraine you are no populist.

More? Can you give us an idea what Argentina has given the Ukraine so far?

Some of you can't seem to grasp the fact that the American and Argentine governments aren't exactly the same thing.

 

[WarriorLiberty]

"Support" as in maintain financially or "support" as in cheer for rah rah rah?



More? Can you give us an idea what Argentina has given the Ukraine so far?

Some of you can't seem to grasp the fact that the American and Argentine governments aren't exactly the same thing.

When you bent the knee to the US/Israeli side what you think it would happen?

Argentina to transfer Mi-171E helicopters to Ukraine

Argentina decided to cease the operation of the Mi-171E helicopters due to their inability to pass a routine inspection

The United States proposed transferring these helicopters to Ukraine, but the previous Argentine government opposed the idea

Helicopters that even failed pass a routine inspection.


How good of the US govt.