[Milei WINS!] Javier Milei, Austrian econ. prof. & ancap, runs for president of Argentina

I am trying to show that the man just talks and says things which he thinks is popular but has yet to deliver.

He has yet to be inaugurated.

Dr. Paul will be the first to tell you he can't deliver your baby until months and months after you fuck your wife. Let's put the horse up front and let the cart follow, shall we?

I remember back in late '92 Dave Barry was making fun of the MSM by quipping about "The Failed Clinton Administration". Well, I can't say it was a success, but I can't say Clinton failed between being elected and being sworn in, either.

Jesus. Don't swear him in! He already failed!!
 
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I'll add one because I do actually have reservations about it:

His plan to replace the peso with the fiat dollar is going to end in disaster (for various reasons, but mostly because he has an opportunity to replace it with something of real value but seems fixated on choosing the US Dollar).

Added:

Official Milei Predictions List (will update over time):

  • Milei is going to invade the Falklands
  • Milei is going to send money/weapons/troops to Ukraine
  • Milei is going to send money/weapons/troops to Israel
  • Milei is going to invade the ME (since he's a "neocon" and that's the true definition of a neocon...)
  • Milei is going to institute CBDCs
  • Milei is going to "socialize" Argentine Airlines, or sell it to the oligarchs
  • Milei is going to become Jewish
  • Milei is in cahoots with the Democrats
  • Milei supports the vaxx and lockdowns and will probably institute them once he is in power
  • Milei's plan to end the central-bank of Argentina will end in economic disaster for Argentina
  • ...
 
My prediction

Mile’s plan to put Argentina on US dollar will strengthen Federal Reserve
 
My prediction

Mile’s plan to put Argentina on US dollar will strengthen Federal Reserve

Since as we have explained to you already, then did it again as to a six year old, he doesn't intend to "put Argentina on U.S. dollar", you lose your wager.

Already, even before he takes over.
 
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An-cap ideas are popular now?

They are more popular than they were before, if that counts (I think it counts for something - and more than just a little bit):
[...] Milei has introduced many libertarians' ideas to Argentinian political discourse [...]

Even more important is the cultural shift that has taken place due to Milei's political activism. Books by the Austrian School of Economics and libertarians can be found in any bookstore (before Milei, those works were harder to access, almost clandestine) and liberty friendly universities and programs are now more frequented. Being a classical liberal or a libertarian is no longer a cultural crime in Argentina.

A libertarian hardcore has been formed and continues to grow, they are the vanguard of the movement, convincing lay people to support Milei's reforms. True enough, many times they may not convince everyone to embrace libertarianism but at least they persuade them not to oppose it. That's how the libertarian spirit in Argentina can grow.

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I mean, of all the platforms that would help you get elected, that's not a winner in most countries. Hell, he could have ran on "At least I'm not Peron" and it probably would have worked. [...]

He actually did win primarily as an anti-Peronist, rather than because he is a radical libertarian:
Quite a few of his voters did not support him because they were ideologically motivated by libertarian sentiment - they supported him because he presented a vehement defiance of and opposition to the horribly corrupt and self-serving system that has been in place in Argentina for decades.
Of course, that just reinforces your point: someone could have done the same thing without all the fire-breathing anti-statism.

And, if these ideas *are* becoming popular in Argentina, who is to blame for that? How does a country that has lived, breathed, and worshiped socialism for 2-3 generations even learn what libertarianism is? This guy might be the worst controlled opposition ever because he's maybe too good at spreading a message.

Let's say that Milei fails miserably in his presidency . . . he's still spent the better part of the campaign season actively trying to convince the Argentinian populace that they don't need politicians as much as politicians need them. That would be the worst kind of people to try to control.

I get that there are lousy messengers out there. The message is solid and I fail to see how it helps the elites.

I believe the proper reply to this in emoji-idiom form is: :directhit::100:
 
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Javier Milei: Hope for Liberty? [The Tom Woods Show: Episode 2425]
https://odysee.com/@TomWoodsTV:e/javier-milei-hope-for-liberty:4
{TomWoodsTV | 01 December 2023}

Javier Milei was elected president of Argentina with a pugilistic, populist style and a hardcore libertarian message. I discuss this startling development with attorney and author of Libertarianism Today Jacob Huebert, and Argentinian university student Octavio Bermudez, who has written extensively on the Milei phenomenon. [Octavio Bermudez is the author of the article in this post - OB]

 
Added:

Official Milei Predictions List (will update over time):

  • Milei is going to invade the Falklands
  • Milei is going to send money/weapons/troops to Ukraine
  • Milei is going to send money/weapons/troops to Israel
  • Milei is going to invade the ME (since he's a "neocon" and that's the true definition of a neocon...)
  • Milei is going to institute CBDCs
  • Milei is going to "socialize" Argentine Airlines, or sell it to the oligarchs
  • Milei is going to become Jewish
  • Milei is in cahoots with the Democrats
  • Milei supports the vaxx and lockdowns and will probably institute them once he is in power
  • Milei's plan to end the central-bank of Argentina will end in economic disaster for Argentina
  • ...

To be fair to N_H that should be "plan to dollarize".
N_H is not saying it's a bad thing to get rid of the bank.
 
He said he was not in the risk group and the vaccines are not proven. So does he now think hes in the risk group and when in his mind did he believe the vaccine was proven.

I am trying to show that the man just talks and says things which he thinks is popular but has yet to deliver. Heck, Bush, Obama and Trump ran on anti war policies and yet none of them ended any wars. How was the fact that their election proving that anti war policy is popular helped with anything. Political ideology is important but acting on it is 1000x more important.
Trump ended wars.
 

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To be fair to N_H that should be "plan to dollarize".
N_H is not saying it's a bad thing to get rid of the bank.

From what I've been able to gather from reading various sources, Milei's dollarization plan is merely to shutter the central bank and convert pesos to dollars on some schedule. De-commissioning a currency like that will have some hazards, some people could lose money if they are tardy. But getting Argentina off the peso is going to be an unqualified economic boon to their economy.

It's a perfectly valid choice for Argentinians to elect a President to end their miserable currency. And since they're not ready to fight of a US Military invasion right now, precious-metals is not a realistic alternative. That leaves the dollar, which several other SA countries already use as their currency.

Some people are trying to twist the narrative and make this some kind of mass vote of confidence in the USD. But it's not, because all client-states of the US empire (such as Argentina) already use the USD as their base currency... USD is what their central bank holds as "gold" reserves. Thus, Argentina is already paying exported US inflation and, on top of it, the Central Bank of Argentina adds even more inflation. Most client central banks in the world are smart enough to keep their inflation-rate pegged to the Fed, or lower. But not Argentina. So, eliminating the peso, and adopting the USD as an official currency is only common sense. Milei is absolutely doing the right thing here, it's not even a serious debate, but it is certainly a Marxist talking-point!

For more information on how the Fed exports inflation globally, see Hans Hoppe's excellent article, Government, Money and International Politics, where he explains the entire process in precise detail.
 
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Added:

Official Milei Predictions List (will update over time):

  • Milei is going to invade the Falklands
  • Milei is going to send money/weapons/troops to Ukraine
  • Milei is going to send money/weapons/troops to Israel
  • Milei is going to invade the ME (since he's a "neocon" and that's the true definition of a neocon...)
  • Milei is going to institute CBDCs
  • Milei is going to "socialize" Argentine Airlines, or sell it to the oligarchs
  • Milei is going to become Jewish
  • Milei is in cahoots with the Democrats
  • Milei supports the vaxx and lockdowns and will probably institute them once he is in power
  • Milei's plan to end the central-bank of Argentina will end in economic disaster for Argentina
  • ...

Whoah whoa there! That's not what I said.

"Milei's plan to swap one central bank's fiat currency with another central bank's fiat currency will end in disaster."

Argentina is set to do something truly unique and independent, but he'll have them turning over that newfound freedom to the Federal Reserve. It's kinda like how Scotland is always whining about independence from Britain, yet the majority there wanted to remain in the EU during Brexit. I mean, duh. Trading one weak master for a stronger one . . . I guess things must be pretty bad in Argentina if it sounds like a good idea.
 
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Whoah whoa there! That's not what I said.

"Milei's plan to swap one central bank's fiat currency with another central bank's fiat currency will end in disaster."

The final bullet-point is not directed at you, it's an amalgam of predictions (explicit or implicit) made by several posters who are criticizing Milei's plan to shutter the Central Bank of Argentina.

Argentina is set to do something truly unique and independent, but he'll have them turning over that newfound freedom to the Federal Reserve.

Once again, Argentina is in no position right now to stop a US Military invasion, so they have no realistic choice to make precious metals their legal tender. That's how you get invaded by the US Military (esp. if you have oil, as Argentina does). So, he's just dollarizing for now. This is a proven solution. It will work. The problem in this thread is that the moment Milei says, "Let's do X because X is good", there are a million critics deboonking him because "He should do Y instead because Y is perfect!" In politics, the perfect is almost always the enemy of the good. Going from the worst thing in the universe (the Argentine peso and its evil central bank) to something that is not great, but usable (good enough) will be a massive boost to the Argentine economy. Is it a permanent solution? Of course not. Maybe 5-10 years from now, Argentina will have enough economic strength to be able to flip the bird at the Fed's shock-troops and they can move to precious-metals. For now, the USD is practically gold compared to the peso.

It's kinda like how Scotland is always whining about independence from Britain, yet the majority there wanted to remain in the EU during Brexit. I mean, duh. Trading one weak master for a stronger one . . . I guess things must be pretty bad in Argentina if it sounds like a good idea.

Once again, you are misunderstanding the nature of international central-banking. Argentina, like ALL countries in the US sphere of influence, is already under the Federal Reserve. The United States exports its inflation to all subject states in its empire (aka sphere-of-influence). This is all explained at length in this article by Hans Hoppe, which I already linked above: Government, Money and International Politics. Please do read it as it will turn your world upside-down. Based on your post, it's clear that you do not understand just how insidious the Fed really is. Argentina is already subject to the Fed, so this is not "going from one master to another", it's eliminating one level of subjugation.
 
If you folks are interested in reading about some case studies of countries that have dollarized their economies, check out:

Ecuador

https://www.aier.org/article/dollarization-in-ecuador-after-20-years/



https://www.lse.ac.uk/school-of-public-policy/events/2021-22/2021-22/How-we-Dollarized-Ecuador

https://fee.org/articles/celebrating-ecuador-s-dollarization/

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Zimbabwe is currently also trying a mixed experiment wherein they first initiated a dollarization process (making USD legal tender) and then making gold legal tender as well - without abandoning (yet?) their own Zimbabwe dollar. All three (USD, Zimbabwe dollar and gold) are legal tender and competing. I've been tracking news on this story here: https://www.pmbug.com/threads/zimbabwe-made-gold-coins-legal-tender.4966/
 
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