Javier Milei Will Keep Argentina in Paris Agreement | Argentina Betrayed?

[WisconsinLiberty]

Javier Milei Will Keep Argentina in Paris Agreement


The New American
December 12, 2023


Javier Milei was sworn in as president of Argentina on Sunday in Buenos Aires. Milei, who described himself as a “anarcho-capitalist,” focused his presidential campaign on libertarian policy issues such as limited government and Austrian economics, and he said he believed climate change is a “socialist hoax.”

Since being sworn in, Milei has already backtracked and is reversing some of the policy positions that he built his winning presidential campaign on. Argentina’s top climate diplomat told Reuters on Sunday that Argentina would remain part of the Paris Agreement on climate change.

Marcia Levaggi traveled to the UN COP28 climate talks in Dubai on Sunday, telling Reuters, “This is why I came to this COP, to reassure our party stakeholders and people following the process that Argentina will stay committed to the Paris Agreement. We will honour all our environmental agreements.” Levaggi said she has the full support of Milei’s government, and said despite Milei eliminating the Environment Ministry as part of his campaign promises, the environment will remain a priority under his administration.


SOURCE:
https://thenewamerican.com/news/javier-milei-will-keep-argentina-in-paris-agreement/

 

[ClaytonB]

*libertarian wins major national presidential election*

libertarians: "He isn't dismantling the entire State worldwide, overnight! We've been betrayed!!!"

 

[Anti Globalist]

Did you really expect him to dismantle everything in a single night? Got to give it more time than that.

 

[WisconsinLiberty]

Did you really expect him to dismantle everything in a single night? Got to give it more time than that.

I really hope he's the real deal. Hopefully Javier Milei will release a statement denouncing the Paris Agreement soon.

 

[John-G]

Did you really expect him to dismantle everything in a single night? Got to give it more time than that.

He dismantled 8 govt agencies in 1 day. He also said the whole climate change thing is a farce. Now he doesn't have to pull out of Paris agreement in the first dau even though he ca easily do that. But h could have said, that the whole agreement was put in by the previous failed admin and it is going to be reviewed as soon as the cabinet get a chance to review it

The problem you people have is that we have a man who is brash, bombastic and unapologetic, he is there to dismantle the statist structure in the country. The Paris agreement is such that Aregentina just like the US and many country can just unplug from it. It is a non binding agreement with globalists. But ofc, this requires action not mouthing off which is why he wouldn't do it.

 

[ClaytonB]

He dismantled 8 govt agencies in 1 day...

... this requires action not mouthing off which is why he wouldn't do it.

Do you see the contradiction? Can you spot it? Would you like me to spell it out? The man dismantled 8 (or was it 12?) government agencies in a single day and you're complaining that he's only good for "mouthing off" instead of taking action?!

Leaving the Paris agreement is not a libertarian litmus test. The irony is that it was the Establishment's own pet MSMBS propagandists who started this whole "Milei isn't leaving the Paris agreement!" narrative, as if anybody cares, and here we have RPFers and "libertarians" jumping onboard without question. So much for "critical thinking" and "rugged individual skepticism"...

 

[John-G]

Do you see the contradiction? Can you spot it? Would you like me to spell it out? The man dismantled 8 (or was it 12?) government agencies in a single day and you're complaining that he's only good for "mouthing off" instead of taking action?!

Leaving the Paris agreement is not a libertarian litmus test. The irony is that it was the Establishment's own pet MSMBS propagandists who started this whole "Milei isn't leaving the Paris agreement!" narrative, as if anybody cares, and here we have RPFers and "libertarians" jumping onboard without question. So much for "critical thinking" and "rugged individual skepticism"...

OK, eliminating a bunch of minor govt agencies is good, even I would admit that. But it is nothing like eliminating say an IRS, this is the stuff Ron Paul who was running as libertarian leaning said he would do. On the other hand the bomb throwing, blabber mouth is not just a libertarian, he is an anarcho cap and yet the best we can do is ending the ministry of culture etc etc.

The funny thing is that even the Paris climate agreement is meaningless, very few countries outside of the US and EU do no abide by the promises they made. And take for example, even when the US signed off on the treaty during Trump, Trump continued efforts to reduce C02, essentially do the bidding of the treaty while being outside of it. There are other countries that have increased their emission even while submitting plans to cut. The point is that he should have continued the spirit of his anarcho cap campaign and signed off on the treaty.

I followed his campaign and he sounded way more radical that he appears to acting right now. And yes, I am very skeptical of his motive, i do not believe if he planned to be successful rule, he would have campaigned the way he did. I think he is a fraud who will end up giving the movement a bad name. Leaving the Paris climate agreement would help but still, I would still be suspicious of him.

Also, I have been wondering, if hes such an anarcho cap, why is he not promoting sound currency? Even Ron Paul who was just libertarian leaning promoted this. Milei smell really bad from where I stand.

 

[ClaytonB]

*cracks knuckles

*does some windmills

*sits at keyboard...

OK, eliminating a bunch of minor govt agencies is good, even I would admit that. But it is nothing like eliminating say an IRS, this is the stuff Ron Paul who was running as libertarian leaning said he would do.

And so what? You do realize that Argentina is not the US, so why is Milei being measured against a US politician? Argentina has a different history, different culture, etc. I'll just have to keep repeating this: The significance of Milei's victory is that he won on the ideas of Rothbard and Hoppe, which is an incredible feat that portends major changes on the geopolitical stage. Are we being duped by the 17-trillion hyper-dimensional chess moves of Klaus "The Brain" Schwab? Maybe, maybe not. But no matter what, the ideas of liberty are going out into the public consciousness like never before. Ron Paul was portrayed as a kook by the MSMBS for decades. In my younger years when I was still (to my shame) a Republican, I thought he was crazy because that's what Faux News told me to think. And yet here I am. Somebody has to go out there and icebreak public opinion before it will become possible to even talk about shifting the Overton window. Milei is doing exactly that. If he's working on behalf of Schwab, then ol' Klaussie has lost his game.

[Milei] is an anarcho cap and yet the best we can do is ending the ministry of culture etc etc.

Politics is not a game of ideas, it's a game of power. As the old quip goes, "Politics is the art of the possible." Even a wrecking ball cannot take down a large building in one swing. Milei is, to all appearances, a real wrecking-ball. It's still going to take more than one swing. Set the game-controller down, do some breathing exercises, put on some Nature sounds and relax... give the man a damn chance to breathe. He's been President for less than a week and libertarians are in a poo-flinging chimp hysteria because Milei hasn't detonated the headquarters of the World Bank yet. Take a chill pill...

The funny thing is that even the Paris climate agreement is meaningless, very few countries outside of the US and EU do no abide by the promises they made.

Exactly.

The whole story is an example of the enemy trying to majordomo your marching band. It's not the US MSMBS's call when Milei gets around to pulling out of the Paris agreement, assuming it's even on his first-term list of things to do.

I followed his campaign and he sounded way more radical that he appears to acting right now.

CHILL.

OUT.

Give the man a chance to implement his policy.

end up giving the movement a bad name.

What "movement"? Has Ron Paul endorsed Milei? Has Trump endorsed him? Has Massie endorsed him? Milei stands or falls on his own merits. You keep making this an issue of Milei's personality, when it's really an issue of the ideas that Milei campaigned on.

The fundamental political stratagem of the Mises Institute and those in their orbit has been that liberty is inherently popular. People love to be free. Everyone wants to be free. Yes, there is some element of cultural preconditions that are required in order to actually have a free country... a people who will not be responsible cannot be free. But freedom itself is always popular. Therefore, the path to reviving the basic rights that we all have by birth, whether in this country or any country, is to appeal to the masses. Milei's campaign is empirical proof that the Mises Institute strategy is correct. The naysaying "libertarians" in the DC beltway orbit can put a sock in it and shut up... they've just been proven wrong, no matter how good or bad Milei's presidency ultimately turns out. WE CAN WIN, in fact, we win by default. That's the biggest white-pill to come down the pike since "THEY NEVER THOUGHT SHE COULD LOSE".

Also, I have been wondering, if hes such an anarcho cap, why is he not promoting sound currency?

Almost every interview I've seen of him, he talks about gold and silver as sound money and the best foundation for a nation's money supply, and obliterates fiat money, fractional-reserve banks and central banking. He uses plain and simple language, without jargon. He just gets right to the point and calls the central-banking system what it is: organized theft and oppression of the most vulnerable in society by the most regressive of all taxes: inflation. Not sure what campaign you were following to have been able to miss that...

 

[acptulsa]

OK, eliminating a bunch of minor govt agencies is good, even I would admit that.

Yes, it's a real world boon for his constituents.

The funny thing is that even the Paris climate agreement is meaningless, very few countries outside of the US and EU do no abide by the promises they made.

So, the treaty itself is a paper tiger. There are no penalties his constituents have to suffer if he agrees to it but doesn't obey it. Meanwhile, the WEF is full of powerful psychopaths who love punishing entire populations when they don't get their asses kissed.

Leaving the Paris climate agreement would help but still, I would still be suspicious of him.

So, you not only want to pick his battles for him, without showing any signs of concern for what those actions might mean to Argentines, but you want him to take that risk on behalf of the people to suit you even though you're sitting there saying you still wouldn't be satisfied if he did...

I don't care whose asses he kisses. It isn't all about appearances to me. Just as long as he uses the time he buys himself to good effect...

...that is what I will notice.

 

[John-G]

Yes, it's a real world boon for his constituents.

Well, according to google. this will result is a 2.9% cut in year to year spending. Cuts to things like women's, culture department but no mentioned of cuts to defense. Weird, but still it is a cut in spending, big cheers to him

So, the treaty itself is a paper tiger. There are no penalties his constituents have to suffer if he agrees to it but doesn't obey it. Meanwhile, the WEF is full of powerful psychopaths who love punishing entire populations when they don't get their asses kissed.

The point that activates my spidey senses is that we have a man who came into power in the most extreme of wars, he told TPTB what he thinks about their system with insults and logic. He ignored any and every decorum and good manner associated with politics, a take no prisoner surrender no ground sort of approach and now that he has is cards visible to his enemies, he wants to play nice. Do you think the people he wants to play nice with now did not see his campaign? This doesn't make any sense if his plan was to fool TPTB, if anything, this sort of behavior indicates that the people being fooled are his supporters. If he was serious, he wouldn't have been so upfront in the beginning and now be timid now.

So, you not only want to pick his battles for him, without showing any signs of concern for what those actions might mean to Argentines, but you want him to take that risk on behalf of the people to suit you even though you're sitting there saying you still wouldn't be satisfied if he did...

I think the risk here is in trying to play with the WEF and come out clean. Many countries around the world openly violate the promises made under the Paris treaty, again like the stuff with Zelensky, he doesn't need to embrace it the way he is going now. He could have easily told Zelensky not to attend the inauguration and told the press that a decision on Paris hasn't been reached. This way you buy yourself more time without alienating anyone.

 

[acptulsa]

The point that activates my spidey senses is that we have a man who came into power in the most extreme of wars, he told TPTB what he thinks about their system with insults and logic. He ignored any and every decorum and good manner associated with politics, a take no prisoner surrender no ground sort of approach and now that he has is cards visible to his enemies, he wants to play nice.

I understand, believe me. I, too, remember the Trump years.

But he hasn't done the Trump yet. I'm as anxious as you are to see if we can still say the same at the end of his term.

 

[ClaytonB]

Yes, it's a real world boon for his constituents.



So, the treaty itself is a paper tiger. There are no penalties his constituents have to suffer if he agrees to it but doesn't obey it. Meanwhile, the WEF is full of powerful psychopaths who love punishing entire populations when they don't get their asses kissed.



So, you not only want to pick his battles for him, without showing any signs of concern for what those actions might mean to Argentines, but you want him to take that risk on behalf of the people to suit you even though you're sitting there saying you still wouldn't be satisfied if he did...

I don't care whose asses he kisses. It isn't all about appearances to me. Just as long as he uses the time he buys himself to good effect...

...that is what I will notice.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again.

 

[John-G]

*cracks knuckles

*does some windmills

*sits at keyboard...



And so what? You do realize that Argentina is not the US, so why is Milei being measured against a US politician? Argentina has a different history, different culture, etc. I'll just have to keep repeating this: The significance of Milei's victory is that he won on the ideas of Rothbard and Hoppe, which is an incredible feat that portends major changes on the geopolitical stage. Are we being duped by the 17-trillion hyper-dimensional chess moves of Klaus "The Brain" Schwab? Maybe, maybe not. But no matter what, the ideas of liberty are going out into the public consciousness like never before. Ron Paul was portrayed as a kook by the MSMBS for decades. In my younger years when I was still (to my shame) a Republican, I thought he was crazy because that's what Faux News told me to think. And yet here I am. Somebody has to go out there and icebreak public opinion before it will become possible to even talk about shifting the Overton window. Milei is doing exactly that. If he's working on behalf of Schwab, then ol' Klaussie has lost his game.



Politics is not a game of ideas, it's a game of power. As the old quip goes, "Politics is the art of the possible." Even a wrecking ball cannot take down a large building in one swing. Milei is, to all appearances, a real wrecking-ball. It's still going to take more than one swing. Set the game-controller down, do some breathing exercises, put on some Nature sounds and relax... give the man a damn chance to breathe. He's been President for less than a week and libertarians are in a poo-flinging chimp hysteria because Milei hasn't detonated the headquarters of the World Bank yet. Take a chill pill...



Exactly.

The whole story is an example of the enemy trying to majordomo your marching band. It's not the US MSMBS's call when Milei gets around to pulling out of the Paris agreement, assuming it's even on his first-term list of things to do.



CHILL.

OUT.

Give the man a chance to implement his policy.



What "movement"? Has Ron Paul endorsed Milei? Has Trump endorsed him? Has Massie endorsed him? Milei stands or falls on his own merits. You keep making this an issue of Milei's personality, when it's really an issue of the ideas that Milei campaigned on.

The fundamental political stratagem of the Mises Institute and those in their orbit has been that liberty is inherently popular. People love to be free. Everyone wants to be free. Yes, there is some element of cultural preconditions that are required in order to actually have a free country... a people who will not be responsible cannot be free. But freedom itself is always popular. Therefore, the path to reviving the basic rights that we all have by birth, whether in this country or any country, is to appeal to the masses. Milei's campaign is empirical proof that the Mises Institute strategy is correct. The naysaying "libertarians" in the DC beltway orbit can put a sock in it and shut up... they've just been proven wrong, no matter how good or bad Milei's presidency ultimately turns out. WE CAN WIN, in fact, we win by default. That's the biggest white-pill to come down the pike since "THEY NEVER THOUGHT SHE COULD LOSE".



Almost every interview I've seen of him, he talks about gold and silver as sound money and the best foundation for a nation's money supply, and obliterates fiat money, fractional-reserve banks and central banking. He uses plain and simple language, without jargon. He just gets right to the point and calls the central-banking system what it is: organized theft and oppression of the most vulnerable in society by the most regressive of all taxes: inflation. Not sure what campaign you were following to have been able to miss that...

Just so you know, I am not ignoring your reply, I am just too lazy to give it the proper reply now.

I will say a few things, he is an anarcho capitalist, he ran as an anarcho capitalist, he is the Ron Paul on steroids people talk about. He should not just be promoting sound money, he should be working on implementing it.

Also, there is no way he is tricking the Schwabs of the world, he showed all his cards for all to see. If Schwabs believe him the way you guys do, then just staying with the Paris agreement won't affect the way he treats him.

Yes, Ron Paul hasn't endorsed him yet but just about every grassroot internet libertarian has, they see him as the next coming of Hayek and theyre already making memes about him. When he implodes, he will take the libertarian banner along with him.

Still waiting for him to cut defense spending or dismantle their secret intelligence org. (Agencia federal de inteligencia).

I hope I am wrong but I don't think I am

 

[ClaytonB]

Yes, Ron Paul hasn't endorsed him yet but just about every grassroot internet libertarian has, they see him as the next coming of Hayek and theyre already making memes about him. When he implodes, he will take the libertarian banner along with him.

Naw, that's not how this works. The people can get it wrong, we often do. What implodes a movement is when the leading lights in that movement start trying to run both sides of the game, in other words, when they betray the movement and turn evil. Usually, there is no sign that this has happened except for the growing rot within the movement. It is possible Milei is a torpedo aimed at the liberty movement, I will grant that. But even so, they will miss their mark because, as I already noted, Ron Paul, Massie and others are not out there endorsing Milei. The solution is simple -- let Milei be Milei and let's see how it turns out. So far, he's batting 1000. If he keeps up at the current pace, by the end of his first term, the Deep State in Argentina will be nothing but a smoldering heap of ashes. But as with all such things, only time will tell.

 

[acptulsa]

 

[vita3]

"If he keeps up at the current pace, by the end of his first term, the Deep State in Argentina will be nothing but a smoldering heap of ashes."

Explain this more please

 

[ClaytonB]

"If he keeps up at the current pace, by the end of his first term, the Deep State in Argentina will be nothing but a smoldering heap of ashes."

Explain this more please

Well, he eliminated something like half the agencies of the Argentine government in his first 24 hours in office. At that pace, he's on track to dismantle all the systems of political control in Argentina. The globalist Deep State is just the conglomerate of all these dispersed-yet-aligned interests of the bureaucratic class, worldwide. Once they are stripped of badges, titles and robes, they are defanged and harmless as puppies. If he keeps stripping the Deep State bureaucrats of their titles, before long, the Deep State will effectively have ceased to exist in Argentina.

 

[vita3]

"Well, he eliminated something like half the agencies of the Argentine government in his first 24 hours in office.'

50%?

this sounds WILDLY inaccurate.

Do appreciate your response though

 

[ClaytonB]

"Well, he eliminated something like half the agencies of the Argentine government in his first 24 hours in office.'

50%?

this sounds WILDLY inaccurate.

Do appreciate your response though

How about MORE than 50% and it's exactly accurate...

Link

But hey, he's "all talk and no action"...

 

[Snowball]

He's consolidating agencies, which is not shutting them down. It is probably for efficiency and cost reasons.

Javier Milei, newly elected president of Argentina, has signed a sweeping decree that will cut the number of Argentinian ministries by more than half, consolidating the ministries of Health, Labor, Social Development,

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...to-argentinas-ministry-of-culture/ar-AA1lpCbn

Javier Milei seeks to reduce 60% of the structure of the State and monitors privatizations
https://newsrnd.com/news/2023-12-14...of-laws-that-goes-to-congress.SJgugVoOLa.html

Argentina minister warns of 'substantially higher' December inflation
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...ntially-higher-december-inflation/ar-AA1ltU1J

I'm' still firm in my belief that he's nothing but a anti-Argentinian people power stooge and plant from the same central bankers that he will serve. It shows in his contacts and allegiances. Privatisation means selling state assets for pennies on the dollar to the Rothschilds. It means deregulating so foreign corporations and those he's aligned with who are billionaires will own previously controlled public sectors.
It's just a scam, and the reason why inflation is skyrocketing there and will continue is because of his own plan to kill the sovereign currency and get all the corrupt Rothschild skrill in there, the Fed skrill and the criminal cryptocurrency.
Selling out the people for the Jews, his sponsors. Only a sucker doesn't see this for what it is. Just because Argentina was run badly doesn't mean you blow it up and let the international billionaires in - you'll never get rid of them, and then they will take the elections. Like they do here. Scam rolls on, and suckers have no idea what protects the people and what protects sovereignty. Handing it over to the world elites, destroying the country is all he will accomplish. Austerity is for bankers, and deregulation is for corporate whores.