[Milei WINS!] Javier Milei, Austrian econ. prof. & ancap, runs for president of Argentina

[acptulsa]

Wow and you know the funny thing? Argentina had one of the strictest lockdowns in the world and yet I cannot find any link of him speaking up against the vaccine. I am not surprised he did promo for the vaccine. Very libertarian of him.

Wake me up when he gives hundreds of billions to Pfizer like Trump did.

I keep having trouble finding clips of Trump speaking ill of the jab too.

If Milei chooses to avoid calling the Wrath of the Multinationals down on Argentina when possible, then maybe his people will suffer no more during this recovery than necessary.

 

[John-G]

Wake me up when he gives hundreds of billions to Pfizer like Trump did.

I keep having trouble finding clips of Trump speaking ill of the jab too.

If Milei chooses to avoid calling the Wrath of the Multinationals down on Argentina, then maybe his people will suffer less than is already unavoidable.

Trump never claimed to be a libertarian, he is conservative lite who was supposed to stem the flow of illegal immigration. See, my problem is why go so extreme on the economic stuff while on the other hand being shy with the covid stuff. Is he afraid of them or is he strong, bold and brash about it all.

It's the inconsistency that confuses me. Again, he could easily be simply pro Israel without being extreme about it. Just say that Israel has the right to exists and we should condemn terror attacks, things most rational people would accept, but all this visiting Israel as his first foreign visit is just going too far. So, does he care about the wrath of the multinationals or does he not care about it?

 

[acptulsa]

So, does he care about the wrath of the multinationals or does he not care about it?

*Why not both? gif*

Does he support the multinationals' causes? COVID is over and he has nothing for Israel or Ukraine. What he does have are people in a spot so dire that the sheep totally stopped believing the sweet promises of their politicians. They're suffering.

Let's do a thought experiment. Suppose he cared about Argentines first and foremost. Suppose there was a good chance that not rocking the multinational boat would spare them additional hardship. What if these were all subjects that (with the plandemic over, with no money for imperialism) are purely rhetorical at this point anyway ? What sort of noises might he bleat in front of foreign media in that case? What battles might he choose not to fight at this moment?

 

[TheTexan]

but I see nothing yet in Milei's rhetoric or policies that contradicts his claimed support for libertarian principles,

I do. In his rhetoric:

"Argentina’s sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands is non-negotiable."

That's not a libertarian position. That's an authoritarian position. Going through "diplomatic channels" to achieve this authoritarian position, does not make it any less authoritarian.

There's still plenty of opportunities for Milei to prove otherwise, but between this, and his vocal support for Ukraine against the "aggressors", his understanding of the right to self determination does not look good.

And without a good understanding of the right to self determination, can he truly be libertarian?

 

[ClaytonB]

Trump didn't annex any territory from Mexico either.
And if Argentina has issues equivalent to Mexico's facilitation of the invasion at our southern border then that is what they should be talking about.
If they have issues that serious I might even accept seizure of the islands by force and the expulsion of the occupants if no other resolution of the issues could be obtained.




You can read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Falkland_Islands

I'll summarize.
The islands were uninhabited.
The British discovered them first.
The French and British were the first to attempt colonization.
Control of the islands changed hands many times and they were depopulated and repopulated several times.
The British were the last to recolonize the islands.
The British have owned the islands uninterrupted for almost 200 years.
The British won the last war for the islands.
The population is almost entirely composed of the descendants of the British colonists and when the issue was put to vote of whether to remain in the UK the vote to remain was nearly unanimous.

There is not the slightest chance that the UK or the islanders will ever agree to transfer ownership peacefully and everyone involved knows it.

*shrug -- I don't trust Wikipedia and I don't really care about external opinions on who will do what or who is justified in what, because it's a proven fact that the Brits are a bunch of imperialist crooks.

As I stated elsewhere, I'm willing to be open minded if his actions speak louder than his words.
But for now all I have is his words, whereas I have seen many actions by Trump that show he is more on our side than against us.
Milei has gone from being a question mark to being a vocal Neocon and he will have to change that status through actions. (or lack thereof such as not actually sending arms and money to Ukraine or Israel)

Exactly... actions speak louder than words. We'll just have to wait and see what Milei actually does. Obviously, the DS has its puppets everywhere and, if they could, they would love to create a puppet that would lead those who support liberty astray. But it is my view at this point that there's no way that Milei fits that description... the puppets they have created in the past always give a skewed/doctored version of the truth, but Milei is spitting the truth straight and clear. He roundly and quotably denounces socialism in all its forms, and correctly identifies all the disguised forms of socialism as socialism. If he is a puppet, he's doing more real damage to the DS Agenda with this kind of speech than he could possibly be secretly doing for them. Are they going to come in later and flip him like a Judas and force him to betray everything he said earlier? It's possible but we'll just have to wait and see if that actually happens. Until then, it's all just baseless speculation.

 

[vita3]

No. Argentina acquires dollars by exporting goods (sold in dollars) on the global market.

From a couple of months ago:



More:

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/milei-should-dollarize-at-once-says-man-who-did-it-in-ecuador-1.1970796

The details of the implementation will be important. If they start by just giving US dollars legal tender status while maintaining the peso, the country will have time to adapt payment systems while building dollar reserves gradually.

Thanks Bern!

Going to be fascinating to see details & implementation

 

[ClaytonB]

I do. In his rhetoric:

"Argentina’s sovereignty over the Malvinas Islands is non-negotiable."

That's not a libertarian position. That's an authoritarian position. Going through "diplomatic channels" to achieve this authoritarian position, does not make it any less authoritarian.

There's still plenty of opportunities for Milei to prove otherwise, but between this, and his vocal support for Ukraine against the "aggressors", his understanding of the right to self determination does not look good.

And without a good understanding of the right to self determination, can he truly be libertarian?

I'm not a one-issue thinker... Trump is definitely not a libertarian, neither in his values nor in his policies, but I am mostly pro-Trump because, even though he bungles it somewhat, his support for traditional American values still ends up "sloshing over" and increasing liberty. Milei, AFAICT, definitely is a libertarian and, even if he bungles one or two issues, if he follows through on even 10% of what he has promised to do in his campaigning, he will do much more to increase liberty in Argentina than Trump managed to accomplish in the US.

I understand the reasons for suspicion... the DS are a bunch of tricky bastards. For now, Milei has only used rhetoric but it's his policy actions that will show his true colors. When we get there, his actions will prove his true loyalty. I'm patient...

 

[ClaytonB]

Does our Federal Reserve just print more new dollars & give them to Argentina, when they go off Argentina peso?

Fascinated to learn how this will really work..

Hans Hoppe explains how this works in detail in his article Government, Money, and International Politics. Read section 3 entitled "Monetary Imperialism". If you need backgrounder, read sections 1,2.

 

[ClaytonB]

Maintaining the peso seems foolhardy from my perspective. Confidence in it is lost, so there's no longer a way to destroy enough of them to match demand. Any supply is too much. There's zero demand for the Argentine peso.

Nothing gets legal tender status, if his plan is as close to the Ron Paul plan as it sounds. Nothing. Which means nothing is forbidden as a means of barter. Not this currency. Not that e-wallet. Not those old silver coins. Nothing.

So, if there's not enough FRNs floating around to ease their commerce, they're now free to use whatever else they find convenient to trade with. Hopefully they'll find something or a set of somethings that fills that gap handily.

Exactly. Whatever they were using yesterday worked just fine. So, if nothing else, they can use that today. But if they have sounder money on hand which is better for trade, and the seller insists on receiving payment in that sounder money, then they'll use that. If such sound money is simply too scarce, then sellers won't be able to be so picky.

The things that people find to worry about when it comes to basic economic activity never cease to amaze me. "You can use any money you want now" cannot hurt anyone in the private sector except perhaps some crooked money-exchangers who were profiting off the illegitimate monetary monopoly of the local fiat toilet-paper-money. Who cares if they're hurt, they're just a bunch of crooks. And everyone else will either not be hurt, or will benefit, so it's obviously Pareto...

 

[Matt Collins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJsU8ukKDxA

 

[pmbug]

https://twitter.com/TremendaCarucha/status/1727709850723905738

Stupid tweets don't seem to be embedding at the moment...

 

[acptulsa]

 

[ClaytonB]

 

[Occam's Banana]

Should Libertarians Be Thankful for Milei's Election?
https://odysee.com/@mises:1/should-libertarians-be-thankful-for:3
{Mises Media | 23 November 2023}

On this episode of Radio Rothbard, Ryan McMaken and Tho Bishop discuss the aftermath of Javier Milei's election in Argentina. The two discuss the value Milei's victory has for libertarianism and Austrian economics, the challenges he immediately faces, and what steps are necessary for him to turn a winning campaign into an impactful presidency.

"The United States Needs Its Own Javier Milei" by Connor O'Keeffe: https://Mises.org/RR_161_A

"An Anarchist’s Pragmatic Plan of Government for Argentina" by Manuel García Gojon: https://Mises.org/RR_161_B

"A Statement on Javier Milei from Spanish Libertarians" by Jesús Huerta de Soto & Philipp Bagus: https://Mises.org/RR_161_C

"Rothbard, Milei and the New Right in Argentina" by Fernando Chiocca: https://Mises.org/RR_161_D

 

[Occam's Banana]

Co-Creator Explains Javier Milei's Plan to Abolish the Central Bank
https://odysee.com/@mises:1/co-creator-explains-javier-milei's-plan:1
{Mises Media | 24 November 2023}

Nicolás Cachanosky was a co-author on the dollarization proposal for Argentina that Javier Milei publicly endorsed.

Nicolás explains to Bob the outlines of the proposal, which involves replacing pesos with USD for bank deposits, currency in circulation, and central bank liabilities.

Human Action Podcast listeners can get a free copy of Murray Rothbard's Anatomy of the State: https://Mises.org/HAPodFree

How to Dollarize Argentina: https://Mises.org/HAP423a

Read More from Nicolás: https://Mises.org/HAP423b

The Human Action Podcast Episode with Peter Lewin: https://Mises.org/HAP423c

 

[nobody's_hero]

Should Libertarians Be Thankful for Milei's Election?

Should be, but will likely find reasons not to be.

On the spectrum of miserable:

Liberals who burn down their own cities < Libertarians < Old conservatives who think sitting around in lounge chairs listening to speeches and waving flags at rallies is kinda fun

 

[Swordsmyth]

Incoming Argentine President Pledges To Eliminate Central Bank


https://www.thefinancialtrends.com/...-president-pledges-to-eliminate-central-bank/

 

[vita3]

Eliminate Argentina's central bank!!!

Replace it with America's!!!!

Hoodwinked & Perpetual war baby!!!

 

[John-G]

https://www.airdatanews.com/state-o...-employees-says-president-elect-javier-milei/

Elected new president of Argentina on Sunday, November 19, the ultra-liberal Javier Milei has already said what he intends to do with Aerolíneas Argentinas, the state-owned carrier and largest airline in the country.For the president-elect, the company’s destiny is to be privatized, but into the hands of the employees themselves who would then decide its future in the midst of an open skies environment.

To give the new owners time to organize the company, the government would provide financial support for 12 months.
Aerolíneas Argentinas “has highly qualified personnel and profitable business units. You have to leave that to the employees. In a context of greater competition, the employees themselves will expel those who dedicate themselves to politics instead of working,” stated Milei.

Anyone else think there are better ways to privatize a state owned company than handing it over to the unionized employees? Maybe I am not very well verse in anarcho capitalism but that looks more like socialism than capitalism.

 

[acptulsa]

Eliminate Argentina's central bank!!!

Replace it with America's!!!!

Hoodwinked & Perpetual war baby!!!

We already talked about that. He's not replacing it with anything. Try reading a thread one time, see if you like it.

https://www.airdatanews.com/state-o...-employees-says-president-elect-javier-milei/



Anyone else think there are better ways to privatize a state owned company than handing it over to the unionized employees? Maybe I am not very well verse in anarcho capitalism but that looks more like socialism than capitalism.

And your better ways are...? Selling it to foreigners and using the money to expand the presidential palace, perhaps? Giving it to non-union sewer workers and letting them learn how an airplane works as they go?

Are people merely hating on this guy because he's making it plainly obvious what a nasty old statist Trump really is?