[Milei WINS!] Javier Milei, Austrian econ. prof. & ancap, runs for president of Argentina

At risk of getting 'too caught up in it', got some really damn good art coming out of this whole thing:

 
Occam's Banana said:
I am greatly heartened by your friend's remarks. Thank you for posting them!
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Sure thing. My friend has worked in senior positions in the energy industry for decades. Mostly in S. America, but in the US as well. He lives in Florida, but still votes in Argentina.

He sees how the US press is calling him "far right" so that was his first remark to me. He said that in the US left and right mean something different. Here, both parties agree with capitalism (lol - yeah right! I didn't correct him) but in his country, there are full on socialists and anyone mentioning the free market is considered far right. The socialists there, according to him, are still opposed to private ownership of property. And anyone who thinks private property should be acceptable is cast as a greedy capitalist pig.

He said that Americans have no concept of dictatorship, but his country wasn't able to even vote until he was in his 20's (early 1980's).

I should note that my friend is smart and very successful. He knows economics, including Austrian. However, he considers the Austrian model a little too simplistic for the modern world. I didn't spend time discussing that much. We talked about Milei a few months ago when he first popped up on our radar. Back then, he didn't think Milei had a chance (which kinda colored my view on it as well). Now, though, he's hopeful that he's successful. I told him I was shocked that TPTB would allow Milei to win, and he said that Argentina is too small for them to even care about. I told him with their copper, manganese and lithium deposits, they WILL care.

We'll see... was a good conversation. I'll check in with him from time to time to check on things.
 
Occam's Banana said:
Occam's Banana said:
They just can't help themselves.

https://twitter.com/RealSpikeCohen/status/1726610224642138478
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They really can't.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...a-presidential-election-results-javier-milei/
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/19/world/americas/argentina-election-javier-milei.html
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https://twitter.com/LibertarianG0th/status/1727502380684517429
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Occam's Banana said:
FTA (bold emphasis added):

In that context Mr Milei's position could be seen as relatively conciliatory. He even praised Margaret Thatcher, Britain's Conservative prime minister who launched the UK military response to Argentina's invasion.

Mrs Thatcher, still hated by many for ordering the navy to fire on the Belgrano warship, was described by Mr Milei as "one the great leaders in the history of humanity” during his campaign.

Mr Milei, 53, said in the debate: "We had a war – that we lost – and now we have to make every effort to recover the islands through diplomatic channels."
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*sigh* Apparently, "diplomatic[ally]" now means "forcibly" to some people:Still waiting ...
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Nonnegotiable means force will be used if diplomacy fails.
And all over Islands that Argentina never owned and has no credible claim to.
The MIC is ecstatic at the thought.
 
ClaytonB said:
He specifically mentions that he is seeking a diplomatic resolution, it would be insane for Argentina to try to fight Britain. And of course it's ridiculous for Britain to exert control over the Falklands which is literally right off the coast of Argentina and is thousands of miles away from Britain.
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They did it before, and everyone knows that is what he is threatening.
 
TheTexan said:
The way that story is reported does make it seem that Milei has a suspiciously low regard for the self determination of the people living in Falklands. The island doesn't belong to Argentina or the UK. It belongs to the people living there.
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And the people are mostly of English extraction and have elected to remain in the UK so far.
 
familydog said:
Then you clearly haven't read any of my posts.
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Read the ones in this thread. They resemble the remarks you aimed at OB.

familydog said:
Meh. I'll take the guy who isn't a Zionist/Zionist sympathizer in this one.
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Suit yourself. But all of this is going to have an effect on the New World. Israel won't get anything out of it. That country won't even notice.

familydog said:
Says the guy who constantly quotes what others have said instead of relying on your own arguments.
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familydog said:
Why bother replying if you're not going to actually read my posts? When did I say that you never express your own opinions?
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You're quibbling over whether "constantly" means always?
 
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acptulsa said:
Read the ones in this thread. They resemble the remarks you aimed at OB.
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The very first post I made here was not about Ben Shapiro.

acptulsa said:
Suit yourself. But all of this is going to have an effect on the New World. Israel won't get anything out of it. That country won't even notice.
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Argentina is the whitest country in South America. Zionists want to import the third world to Western/white countries. Zionist Israel could absolutely get something out of this.

acptulsa said:
You're quibbling over whether "constantly" means always?
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I'm not sure why you're spending to much effort to defend the honor of someone else. Very strange indeed.

In any case, yes. If you're a farmer/gardener, you would know that constant sun does not mean your crops never get shade. I know nuance isn't a thing around here sometimes, but it's important to point out.
 
Swordsmyth said:
Everyone is everyone with more than two braincells who knows history far enough back to remember the last time Argentina tried to claim the islands. (there was a war)
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Uh huh.

Was there negotiation then? Was Britain broke then? Do you suppose any variable might have changed in the last forty years? When Trump makes belligerent statements, aren't you the first to rush in and say, that's just the way a master negotiator presses the issue?

SwordGypsy is at his crystal ball, trying to read brighter minds than his again. When I want to know what Milei is thinking, gee, thanks but I think I'll ask him, not you.

familydog said:
I'm not sure why you're spending to much effort to defend the honor of someone else. Very strange indeed.
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You consider being one's brother's keeper "very strange"? Well, that's enlightening. But right's right, and that's that. You are struggling to match your own rhetoric, and you are accusing others of your own foibles with the vehemence a liberal uses to do the same. Just sayin'.

I don't have to look at mendacity and ignore it.
 
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acptulsa said:
You consider being one's brother's keeper "very strange"? Well, that's enlightening. But right's right, and that's that. You are struggling to match your own rhetoric, and you are accusing others of your own foibles with the vehemence a liberal uses to do the same. Just sayin'.
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It's strange because I've had exchanges with him before and you've never jumped in like this. You're just being overly emotional. I get it.
 
familydog said:
It's strange because I've had exchanges with him before and you've never jumped in like this. You're just being overly emotional. I get it.
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This thread is about a guy named Milei, not about whatever random American attention whore wants to "make it all about me! me! me!" and play victim cards like a prog.
 
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Swordsmyth said:
They did it before, and everyone knows that is what he is threatening.
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Everyone assumes, you mean. Libertarians have had to learn from Trump that part of being a good statesman is being able to make your enemies feel fear, and to make your competitors sweat in their seats. Trump didn't invade any countries or start any new bombing campaigns, but he absolutely made Kim Jong Un feel the might of the US military. So, just because Milei is signaling that he's going to play hardball on the Falklands doesn't mean he's a neoCON... as I said to another poster, let me know when Milei starts invading the Middle East... then we'll have confirmation that he's a neoCON...
 
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