Middle-class fleeing California invasion.

[catdd]

So much racism on this board. change the word white to black you'd probably be banned for being a nazi.


Change it to Jews and you'll get the same result.
It's still legal to be white...barely.

 

[Dunedain]

Everyone can thank Ted Kennedy for the 1965 open borders immigration policy. Trust government.


YouTube - Immigration Gumballs (5 min version)

That's a great explanation. Even dumb people can understand gumballs!! Hopefully, they can figure out that a gumball is less expensive to house and feed and clothe a million people from the 3rd world.

 

[BlackTerrel]

The only people I have ever had a major problem with is white people. White people seem to be more evil. I don't know why.

What race are you, if I might ask? BTW "more evil" seems a very strange way to describe a group of people - especially considering Dr. Paul is in that group.

 

[BlackTerrel]

So much racism on this board. change the word white to black you'd probably be banned for being a nazi.

Statistically, whites have the lowest crime rates according to FBI statistics. Personally, I've had the same experience as you but I've spent 90% of my social interaction with whites.

What is the race of the people compiling the statistics? Also I'd be very curious as to the number of Asians or Indians (from India) in prison. Everything I've ever seen would suggest they'd be under represented in the prison system.

 

[BlackTerrel]

It's still legal to be white...barely.

Where does this persecution complex come from? Last I checked white people weren't being arrested and put in camps for the color of their skin.

According to Dunedain's stats that he keeps posting it's definitely not white people that are being put in prison in large numbers.

 

[catdd]

[QUOTE=BlackTerrel;2461337Last I checked white people weren't being arrested and put in camps for the color of their skin.

Are you implying that someone IS being arrested and put into camps because of the color of their skin?

 

[Mini-Me]

Are you implying that someone IS being arrested and put into camps because of the color of their skin?

Put into camps? I don't think so. Isn't "black on a Friday" still a misdemeanor? (Don't Be a Menace in South Central While Drinking Your Juice in the Hood reference)

 

[LibertyEagle]

What is the race of the people compiling the statistics? Also I'd be very curious as to the number of Asians or Indians (from India) in prison. Everything I've ever seen would suggest they'd be under represented in the prison system.

Are you suggesting that the color of one's skin dictates their objectivity?

Are you suggesting that the color of one's skin should be the determinant of whether someone goes to prison, much like a quota system?

Aren't you espousing racism here?

 

[Dunedain]

What is the race of the people compiling the statistics?

If you are suggesting that a conspiracy of evil white racists are bumping the black communities crime statistics....well, I don't really think you think that any more than you think AIDS in Africa is a form of genocide perpetrated by whites. Let's level about this:

The black community is facing a conundrum. Black crime is completely out of control....completely. And blacks are subjected to a lot of this crime. But what can they do? They can't ignore the problem because it's killing these neighborhoods (that NO ONE wants to be a part of). Yet, blacks are powerless to combat it because that would be like pleading guilty and cause all the nazis to jump out of the bushes with swastikas on and point their finger and say, "See? I told you about those n-words.". Or so people like Jesse Jackson would have you believe.

It's the devils choice. What is going to happen? I don't know. i'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.

 

[Carson]

Everyone can thank Ted Kennedy for the 1965 open borders immigration policy. Trust government.

"I want to comment on ... what the bill will not do. First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same. ..."

Kennedy continued:

"Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset. ... Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [this bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area. ..."

Kennedy assured:

"Thirdly, the bill will not permit the entry of subversive persons, criminals, illiterates or those with contagious disease. ... As I noted a moment ago, no immigrant visa will be issued to a person who is likely to become a public charge. ..."

Kennedy answered critics of the 1965 immigration bill:

"The charges I have mentioned are highly emotional, irrational and with little foundation in fact. They are out of line with the obligations of responsible citizenship. They breed hate of our heritage. ..."

Kennedy promised:

"The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs."

YouTube - Immigration Gumballs (5 min version)

The one with tubes is also a good one.

YouTube - Roy's 'Jay-Walking' on Capitol Mall reveals real immigration tradition

You can sign up with NumbersUSA and they will compose and prepare emails for you. When they have them ready they email you and let you know. All you have to do then is go and check them out and edit them to your desire. They do it for free but I would think if you can help with a little donation it could go a long way to helping our country.

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/

 

[Dunedain]

Also I'd be very curious as to the number of Asians or Indians (from India) in prison. Everything I've ever seen would suggest they'd be under represented in the prison system.

Actually, I believe they are also very under-represented. The Indians that are in North America are much more law abiding than their native kin. For example, most people in India can barely read or write. However, all the ones coming to America have degrees and good jobs. So they have unusually low rates of incarceration. Prisoners in India have trouble getting jobs and plane tickets to America. However, if you land in Delhi, hold onto your valuables...thieves everywhere.

 

[Carson]

Personally I have found some of these new people pretty devious but nothing is done about it.

They seem to be the criminals in the governments preferred residents. Most of us had two options; leave on your own or be forced out.

When the HB visa people took over Sunnyvale not only were the young people that studied to be computer programmers force out of their jobs but also out of their city.

 

[Zippyjuan]

So much racism on this board. change the word white to black you'd probably be banned for being a nazi.

Statistically, whites have the lowest crime rates according to FBI statistics. Personally, I've had the same experience as you but I've spent 90% of my social interaction with whites.

In FBI crime statistics, Hispanics are counted with the white.

If crime is a concern for some people as to immigration issues consider this:
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/03/05/immigration_and_crime/

The numbers are striking: While immigrants (legal and illegal) account for 35 percent of California adults, they represent just 17 percent of the state's prisoners. Men born in the United States are incarcerated in California prisons at more than 2½ times the rate of

foreign-born men. Within the age group most often involved in crime (ages 18 to 40), US natives - astonishingly - are 10 times more likely to be in prison or jail than immigrants (4.2 percent of the former are in correctional institutions, and just 0.42 percent of the latter). Even when the focus is narrowed to inmates who were born in Mexico and are not citizens - the demographic group most likely to include illegal immigrants - the rate of incarceration is only one-eighth that of men born in the United States.

Butcher and Piehl also compared crime rates among California cities. They found that the cities with greater numbers of recently arrived immigrants have lower crime rates, while cities with fewer immigrants experience higher levels of crime.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Are you implying that someone IS being arrested and put into camps because of the color of their skin?

Nope... I was responding to your post where you said that it was almost illegal to be white. As if any day now you'd be locked up for it. Where is this persecution complex coming from?

 

[BlackTerrel]

Are you suggesting that the color of one's skin dictates their objectivity?

Are you suggesting that the color of one's skin should be the determinant of whether someone goes to prison, much like a quota system?

Aren't you espousing racism here?

All I have been doing is refuting Dunedain's posts all over the forum that accuse blacks of being genetically programmed to commit more crimes than white people. Not just in this thread but in a number of others.

I am saying there are many many many reasons why his stats could be. Education, poverty, stupidity like the "war on drugs", and yes even racism.

 

[BlackTerrel]

If you are suggesting that a conspiracy of evil white racists are bumping the black communities crime statistics....well, I don't really think you think that any more than you think AIDS in Africa is a form of genocide perpetrated by whites. Let's level about this:

The black community is facing a conundrum. Black crime is completely out of control....completely. And blacks are subjected to a lot of this crime. But what can they do? They can't ignore the problem because it's killing these neighborhoods (that NO ONE wants to be a part of). Yet, blacks are powerless to combat it because that would be like pleading guilty and cause all the nazis to jump out of the bushes with swastikas on and point their finger and say, "See? I told you about those n-words.". Or so people like Jesse Jackson would have you believe.

It's the devils choice. What is going to happen? I don't know. i'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.

Here's my thoughts:

1. Education

2. Stop arresting people for victimless crimes such as drug use.

It takes time but it's a good start and it will improve.

Now I'm interested in your thoughts. You keep posting these stats everywhere about how black people cause all the crime and then you try and refute any possible reason for it (such as poverty). So what do you think? Why are blacks in prison in such disproportionate numbers and what is the solution?

 

[Zippyjuan]

They help programs like Social Security:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/02/opinion/02wed3.html

How Immigrants Saved Social Security
Published: April 2, 2008

Immigration is good for the financial health of Social Security because more workers mean more tax revenue. Illegal immigration, it turns out, is even better than legal immigration. In the fine print of the 2008 annual report on Social Security, released last week, the program’s trustees noted that growing numbers of “other than legal” workers are expected to bolster the program over the coming decades.

One reason is that many undocumented workers pay taxes during their work lives but don’t collect benefits later. Another is that undocumented workers are entering the United States at ever younger ages and are expected to have more children while they’re here than if they arrived at later ages. The result is a substantial increase in the number of working-age people paying taxes, but a relatively smaller increase in the number of retirees who receive benefits — a double boon to Social Security’s bottom line.

We’re not talking chump change. According to the report, the taxes paid by other-than-legal immigrants will close 15 percent of the system’s projected long-term deficit. That’s equivalent to raising the payroll tax by 0.3 percentage points, starting today.

That is not to suggest that illegal immigration is a legitimate fix to Social Security’s problems. It is another reminder, however, of the nation’s complex relationship with undocumented workers. Would the people who want to deport all undocumented workers be willing to make up the difference and pay the taxes that the undocumented are currently paying?

 

[BlackTerrel]

Actually, I believe they are also very under-represented. The Indians that are in North America are much more law abiding than their native kin. For example, most people in India can barely read or write. However, all the ones coming to America have degrees and good jobs. So they have unusually low rates of incarceration. Prisoners in India have trouble getting jobs and plane tickets to America. However, if you land in Delhi, hold onto your valuables...thieves everywhere.

Hahahaaha you can't bring yourself to say anything nice about anyone non-white can you? Even when you admit that Indians commit less crime you can't help but dig in and claim there is some selection bias and all the criminals stayed home.

I have been to India by the way...for a wedding... and did not find it to be as you describe.

 

[Mini-Me]

Hahahaaha you can't bring yourself to say anything nice about anyone non-white can you? Even when you admit that Indians commit less crime you can't help but dig in and claim there is some selection bias and all the criminals stayed home.

I have been to India by the way...for a wedding... and did not find it to be as you describe.

I think it probably depends on where you go there though. An Indian guy (born and raised there) I knew from college said that in some parts of New Delhi, a lot of nasty shit went down, like young rich punks injecting poorer untouchables with the HIV virus for fun, etc. He may very well have been bullshitting me, but that kind of stuck with me nonetheless.

 

[Carson]

The California catastrophe is all about immigration

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/013894.html

The moment I saw the story, I asked myself, what is the percentage of California's prison population that are illegal aliens? And guess what? The answer, according to a July 10 editorial at Investors Business Daily which draws on a recent Pew study, is 25 percent. Illegals make up seven percent of California's population, and 25 percent of its prison population, the same percentage as the ordered size of the prisoner release. There are other impressive statistics in the IBD editorial. According to the FBI, 95 perceof warrants for murder in Los Angeles are issued for illegal aliens. IBD also reminds us that the "sanctuary" policies of many California cities, which bar police from reporting illegal aliens to federal immigration authorities so that they can be deported, has assured that illegals remain free and in the U.S., until they commit more serious crimes requiring incarceration.

In any case, how about simply releasing and deporting all of California's illegal alien prisoners now (except for the most serious violent offenders), while simultaneously sealing the borders (which needs to be done anyway) so that they can't return?

Also, what is the percentage of the California prison population that is Hispanic, apart from Hispanic illegal aliens? According to "California's Changing Prison Population," published in 2006 (here is pdf), three of every four men in prison in California are nonwhite: 38 percent are Hispanic, 29 percent black, and six percent of another race or ethnicity. If the Pew figures on the illegal alien prisiner population is correct, 13 percent of the prison population are Hispanic legal residents and citizens. Had the U.S. not opened itself to Hispanic and Third-World immigration 45 years ago, and had California in particular not been so welcoming and accomodating to legal and illegal Hispanics, California's prison population would be far smaller than what it actually is.