Man who tricked gf into taking abortion pill gets nearly 14-year sentence

[Origanalist]

So you guys think men should have the right to force a woman to terminate her pregnancy?

That's some special sort of sick.

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[green73]

Where's the justice for the aborted fetus?

Where's the justice for the mother?

That he only got 14 years is the injustice.

Tax slaves have to feed and house him for the next 14 years. That's the real injustice.

 

[Origanalist]

Who's to say he was callous? Who's to say what his motivation was? Was she addicted to crack or some other form of coke, or meth or some other form of speed? Was she kind? Was she sane?

Did he seriously consider his act, and seriously consider it merciful? Was he right?

Half of the comments here are strictly anti-abortion. Fair enough. You ignore the double standard and rejoice that somebody gets the punishment you figure everybody deserves. But where is the justice? And who's to say where his heart lay? The feminists rejoice that men don't have this power, the pro lifers rejoice that someone is being stuffed in an overcrowded prison, and no one can believe these two groups agree on something. Very amusing, but where's the justice?

Did he seriously consider his act?

What does that have to do with anything? If somebody shot a member of your family would you be asking that?

Was she kind? Was she sane?

Again, how does this change anything. Are we now to go around aborting babies subject to whether the mothers are kind or even sane? Depending on who makes the standards, we could wipe out the human race in one generation.

But where is the justice? And who's to say where his heart lay?

It is the action that is to be considered. Who cares what noble motives you would like to attribute to it?

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Tax slaves have to feed and house him for the next 14 years. That's the real injustice.

The couple million there that have committed no crime ought be freed. As far as cost is concerned, it is a shame that anyone needs to be incarcerated. And while I do not necessarily fear this person walking the streets, that is, I doubt he is going to kill again, he has committed a couple serious crimes. In this instance, restitution is not fitting a punishment.

It was a stupid move on his part. The cost of life is cheap, but not that cheap. He probably didn't think what he was doing was that bad. As many here would agree with him. I find what he did to be criminal, immoral, and despicable. And while I do not take pleasure from anyone being incarcerated, if for nothing else the cost, though more importantly I yearn to live in a better society where perhaps people could behave morally, I nonetheless find myself lacking any sympathy for the fellow. (Even if women abort babies all the time without consequence and often times without consent of the father.) It's a sad situation all the way around. Most sad, I'd say, for the child who otherwise would have lived.

 

[Origanalist]

So you guys think men should have the right to force a woman to terminate her pregnancy?

That's some special sort of sick.

Absolutely not, anymore than I think women should have the right to terminate their pregnancy, whether the father agrees or not. If you're aging parent is reduced to wearing diapers and no longer can care care for themselves without assistance, do you have the right to terminate them?

 

[green73]

As the self-appointed judge of RPF, I would in this case order restitution (i.e. blood money). I would take into consideration that the two were not wed, among other things. Therefore, based on what I know, my judgement would be that he pay her ¥1,000,000.

 

[angelatc]

Absolutely not, anymore than I think women should have the right to terminate their pregnancy, whether the father agrees or not. If you're aging parent is reduced to wearing diapers and no longer can care care for themselves without assistance, do you have the right to terminate them?

Uh, no.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Sad story. There could be a million scenarios in this case, and we'll never know the truth.

So a woman can abort their baby without the fathers consent and receive no legal consequence.

But if a man does the exact same thing he's imprisoned for 14 years.

How can anyone twist this scenario into any form of justice?

War on women?

 

[tod evans]

So you guys think men should have the right to force a woman to terminate her pregnancy?

That's some special sort of sick.

Right there is where your query fails.

It is their pregnancy.

Unless or until you acknowledge that both parents contribute equally to creating life/the fetus, there is nothing else to discuss.

Sick is failing to acknowledge the fathers rights.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Right there is where your query fails.

It is their pregnancy.

Unless or until you acknowledge that both parents contribute equally to creating life/the fetus, there is nothing else to discuss.

Sick is failing to acknowledge the fathers rights.

Slight counterpoint:

Women typically only have somewhere in the ballpark of 250 or so eggs. Men release 200 million+ sperm per ejaculation. Eggs are certainly more valuable than sperm, and because of this and other factors, like the fact that the fetus is housed in the woman's body, and that they're the weaker sex, women get the keys to relationships.

Men shouldn't be shut out of decisions with regards to this issue (they do, after all, typically provide resources for the woman to go through this process), but the ball is definitely in women's court. As the child becomes less dependent on the mother for sustenance, the scale should certainly slide back towards men - to what degree, I can't tell you, but it does seem reasonable that the relationship shouldn't be skewed solely towards women.

 

[tod evans]

Slight counterpoint:

Women typically only have somewhere in the ballpark of 250 or so eggs. Men release 200 million+ sperm per ejaculation. Eggs are certainly more valuable than sperm, and because of this (and the fact that the fetus is housed in the woman's body), women get the keys to relationships.

Regardless of quantity it takes one egg and one spermatozoa to create life.

Should women be penalized for being less productive?

I don't think so.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Regardless of quantity it takes one egg and one spermatozoa to create life.

Should women be penalized for being less productive?

I don't think so.

In the workforce? Absolutely. It's why it's fine for women to receive less pay for the same job and position that men have, since men are less likely to leave the position for myriad reasons, least of which is having children.

 

[tod evans]

In the workforce?

Nah, just referencing your previous post where they can potentially put out 250 eggs vs millions of sperm.....

It's unfair to hold that against them, they should have equal rights with the father.

 

[aGameOfThrones]

Abortion Equality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[tod evans]

Abortion Equality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Personally I'm against abortion, however there's a fairly large segment of society that isn't.

So, to me, it's a logical argument to promote both parents having an equal say regarding the life/fetus they create.

I don't buy the "she's got a uterus" argument for even a moment, she had that uterus when she spread her legs and knew full well there was a chance of being impregnated.

Both parents conspired to create the life/fetus in question and giving only the woman power over its life is morally and ethically wrong.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

So a woman can abort their baby without the fathers consent and receive no legal consequence.

But if a man does the exact same thing he's imprisoned for 14 years.

How can anyone twist this scenario into any form of justice?

Seems like unjust application of "justice".

 

[acptulsa]

Right there is where your query fails.

It is their pregnancy.

Unless or until you acknowledge that both parents contribute equally to creating life/the fetus, there is nothing else to discuss.

Sick is failing to acknowledge the fathers rights.

This. Last I heard, women terminate preagnancies without a word or a second thought toward the father pretty much every day. But one guy tries it and gets fourteen years.

And it's a 'special kind of sick' to say this imbalance could stand to be looked at and discussed? Sounds like a way to use emotion to short-circuit rational, free and fair discourse to me.

 

[Schifference]

What about the woman that tricks her man and becomes pregnant? Or the one that takes his used condom and self induces herself without his knowledge and then he is mandated to years of child support?

 

[acptulsa]

What about the woman that tricks her man and becomes pregnant? Or the one that takes his used condom and self induces herself without his knowledge and then he is mandated to years of child support?

Or the sixty-three percent of Florida 'fathers' who were found not to be the biological fathers of 'their' children, but got the honor of continuing to pay child support anyway?

 

[phill4paul]

Or the sixty-three percent of Florida 'fathers' who were found not to be the biological fathers of 'their' children, but got the honor of continuing to pay child support anyway?

WTF?