Man who tricked gf into taking abortion pill gets nearly 14-year sentence

[kcchiefs6465]

7 weeks prego, nah. Punishment for the decption, probably.

Was there a heart beat?

Poisoning someone is not deception, either. It is a serious offense. Now you can be deceptive in getting someone to ingest your poison, but nonetheless the act of poisoning is still there.

He got off light.

I have no doubt it was a stupid mistake on his part. He sees or hears of this culture of abortion and figures that life is cheap. Well, you poisoned someone. You murdered their, and your, baby. I have no sympathy for his stupidity. Even if countless people do the same thing "legally." That is, mothers kill the fetus all the time (and many times without consulting or even informing the father) without consequence. That just shows there is something fundamentally wrong with our society. Not in the fact that he was given fourteen years, by the way. If anything, that he was only given fourteen years is evidence of our society's immorality.

 

[Philhelm]

Was there a heart beat?

Poisoning someone is not deception, either. It is a serious offense. Now you can be deceptive in getting someone to ingest your poison, but nonetheless the act of poisoning is still there.

He got off light.

I have no doubt it was a stupid mistake on his part. He sees or hears of this culture of abortion and figures that life is cheap. Well, you poisoned someone. You murdered their, and your, baby. I have no sympathy for his stupidity. Even if countless people do the same thing "legally." That is, mothers kill the fetus all the time (and many times without consulting or even informing the father) without consequence. That just shows there is something fundamentally wrong with our society. Not in the fact that he was given fourteen years, by the way. If anything, that he was only given fourteen years is evidence of our society's immorality.

How many years should the women get?

 

[eduardo89]

Hope he appeals

Me too, because the codifying of the unborn as persons essentially brings into play Roe v Wade's 'collapse clause' which the majority opinion of the Supreme Court ruled that if the unborn are classified as persons then abortion would be illegal.

Personally, I wish this guy would have been given the death penalty for murdering his child.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

How many years should the women get?

The same as anyone else, no doubt. Life.

How long would you get for murdering a one day old?

Babies are often born premature. If six months is the law they enact, that is, that up until six months abortions are legal, a baby born before exiting the second trimester prematurely, what ought be done with it? What can (legally speaking) be done with it? Can the mother kill it (or have someone kill it) on her authority alone? If she consults with the father first, and he doesn't want it either, does it then become morally permissible to kill the baby? If not, why not? And if so, one needs only consider they are advocating one to have the authority to kill a baby. Generally speaking, I consider a detectable heartbeat to be the cut off on what is, or isn't, a murder. The "10 gram rule," if you will.

No doubt it is a complicated issue that is not going to go away with legislation.

I think I would prefer more if mothers, and fathers, quit murdering their children. I suppose I'm only dreaming to consider the world could, or will, ever change. And if God were to throw this planet off its axis, cause waters to rise, and attempt a new experiment, I can't much say I'd blame Him. Or at the least, I simply wouldn't be surprised. This culturally accepted evil is discouraging.

I have no sympathy for a man who could callously poison the mother of his child with the intention of killing the child secretly.

 

[Philhelm]

Generally speaking, I consider a detectable heartbeat to be the cut off on what is, or isn't, a murder.

That's more strict than my mating standards.

 

[acptulsa]

Who's to say he was callous? Who's to say what his motivation was? Was she addicted to crack or some other form of coke, or meth or some other form of speed? Was she kind? Was she sane?

Did he seriously consider his act, and seriously consider it merciful? Was he right?

Half of the comments here are strictly anti-abortion. Fair enough. You ignore the double standard and rejoice that somebody gets the punishment you figure everybody deserves. But where is the justice? And who's to say where his heart lay? The feminists rejoice that men don't have this power, the pro lifers rejoice that someone is being stuffed in an overcrowded prison, and no one can believe these two groups agree on something. Very amusing, but where's the justice?

 

[eduardo89]

Who's to say he was callous? Who's to say what his motivation was? Was she addicted to crack or some other form of coke, or meth or some other form of speed? Was she kind? Was she sane?

How does her being kind or not affect the child's right to life?

Did he seriously consider his act, and seriously consider it merciful? Was he right?

When is murder ever right?

 

[aGameOfThrones]

Who's to say he was callous? Who's to say what his motivation was? Was she addicted to crack or some other form of coke, or meth or some other form of speed? Was she kind? Was she sane?

Did he seriously consider his act, and seriously consider it merciful? Was he right?

Half of the comments here are strictly anti-abortion. Fair enough. You ignore the double standard and rejoice that somebody gets the punishment you figure everybody deserves. But where is the justice? And who's to say where his heart lay? The feminists rejoice that men don't have this power, the pro lifers rejoice that someone is being stuffed in an overcrowded prison, and no one can believe these two groups agree on something. Very amusing, but where's the justice?

 

[acptulsa]

How does her being kind or not affect the child's right to life?

Some look only at life. Some look at quality of life. Some have enough brain cells to be able to consider both. At the same time, even.

When is murder ever right?

Depends on who you ask, doesn't it? In this case, society seems to judge that it's right when a female potential parent does it, but not when a male potential parent does it--even though the law generally gives the female potential parent a lot more ability to make the child's life hell on earth than the male potential parent. Of course, ask many of your fellow pro-lifers, and they'll tell you, when it's a convicted murderer, a convicted rapist, an abortion doctor, or some random Syrian who's between a Marine and his or her target, murder is absolutely right...

Not saying you agree with them. Just sayin'...

So I ask again. Where's the justice?

Ah, yes. Besides, justice doesn't make for such a hot-button news story, does it?

 

[eduardo89]

Some look only at life. Some look at quality of life. Some have enough brain cells to be able to consider both. At the same time, even.

So does a child with Down Syndrome have less of a right to life because their 'quality of life' might not be up to your standards?

 

[acptulsa]

So does a child with Down Syndrome have less of a right to life because their 'quality of life' might not be up to your standards?

I believe I could provide a child with Down's as good a quality of life as any other child, myself. Why are you trying to change the subject?

Just because you want to argue doesn't mean I'm willing to indulge you while you distract, dissemble and misdirect the conversation. There's no indication that this child had Down's. That doesn't enter into it. Drop the irrelevancy.

 

[eduardo89]

I believe I could provide a child with Down's as good a quality of life as any other child, myself. Why are you trying to change the subject?

Just because you want to argue doesn't mean I'm willing to indulge you while you distract, dissemble and misdirect the conversation. Drop it.

I'm not trying to change the subject, just trying to see if to you the right to life (and therefore every other right) is as subjective and conditional as you made it seem in your earlier post.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Very amusing, but where's the justice?

Where's the justice for the aborted fetus?

Where's the justice for the mother?

That he only got 14 years is the injustice.

 

[James Madison]

So a woman can abort their baby without the fathers consent and receive no legal consequence.

But if a man does the exact same thing he's imprisoned for 14 years.

How can anyone twist this scenario into any form of justice?

Don't forget 18 years of child support payments.

 

[acptulsa]

I'm not trying to change the subject, just trying to see if to you the right to life (and therefore every other right) is as subjective and conditional as you made it seem in your earlier post.

You are trying to change the subject. You're trying to drag this thread onto ground where your past anti abortion ranting and raving will serve you all over again. But this isn't about abortion, much as you'd like it to be. As far as I'm concerned, it's about the discrepancy between the rights 'given' by the state to fathers and mothers. Certainly my comments were. And I consider this subject very important, and have no intention whatsoever of participating in some inflammatory, brainless hijack of your malicious invention.

I made the point I made and I will now let it stand, no matter what bait you dangle before me.

Have I made myself clear? Thank you.

 

[eduardo89]

You are trying to change the subject. You're trying to drag this thread onto ground where your past anti abortion ranting and raving will serve you all over again. But this isn't about abortion, much as you'd like it to be. As far as I'm concerned, it's about the discrepancy between the rights 'given' by the state to fathers and mothers. Certainly my comments were. And I consider this subject very important, and have no intention whatsoever of participating in some inflammatory, brainless hijack of your malicious invention.

Have I made myself clear?

If you find that subject so important, start a thread about it.

This thread very much is about the right to life, and whether murdering an unborn child deserves a paltry 14 years in prison or a punishment fitting the crime.

 

[acptulsa]

If you find that subject so important, start a thread about it.

This thread very much is about the right to life, and whether murdering an unborn child deserves a paltry 14 years in prison or a punishment fitting the crime.

Opinions are like hemorrhoids. Every you-know-what gets one sooner or later.

Hijack all the OP mods will allow you to do. Just don't expect me to participate. I can see what this thread's about with my own eyes, thank you very much.

 

[eduardo89]

Opinions are like hemorrhoids. Every you-know-what gets one sooner or later.

Well get them, here are some natural treatments you might want to try:
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Hijack all the OP mods will allow you to do. Just don't expect me to participate. I can see what this thread's about with my own eyes, thank you very much.

I fail to see how I'm 'hijacking' this thread, I was responding directly to your post.

But since you asked "where's the justice," I have to say no justice was served here. This man got a pathetically low sentence for premeditated murder as well as assault.

 

[LibForestPaul]

As far as I'm concerned, it's about the discrepancy between the privileges 'given' by the state to fathers and mothers.

 

[angelatc]

So you guys think men should have the right to force a woman to terminate her pregnancy?

That's some special sort of sick.