Ladies and Gentlemen, the President of the United States...

[GunnyFreedom]

Perhaps you can argue that in 20 years the children of illegals are citizens and can vote, but that would go away if we had had Ron Paul's bill to stop birthright citizenship to illegal aliens not under the jurisdiction of the United States.

I also agree with Paul that the only way to stop this is to end the welfare state. We already refuse welfare to illegals, but again they may have children who are not illegal, so as long as we are incentivising this it will continue.

No amount of control will be effective so long as the incentive remains in place, as we have seen with the War on Drugs. You can't fight these basic market principles. A great deal of this goes away with just a little border security and a lot of ending birthright citizenship for illegals. That should dramatically reduce the increase and incentive some who are already here to leave.

 

[TNforPaul45]

Please explain significance beyond Confederacy loses civil war.

What about 1913? 1933? Appomatox? Really?

The defeat of the idea that the states are independent and contain independent and free people who have the right to freely associate with whomever they wish (individuals or groups) at rifle-point being, of course, an isolated and non-significant event.

I suppose the Confederacy being occupied for 2+ decades by armed Federalists who then wanted to spread their military ambitions to Mexico and Cuba and conquer those lands (like Hamilton suggested) is a non-event, like the Orioles beating the Cubs or something. They had a friendly handshake and went off to sip Burbon.

The Great Experiment was the idea that we could leave tyranny and end its influence over every aspect of our lives. Jefferson and his democratic republicans believed in the freedom and wisdom of the people. Hamilton and his Federalists believed that the masses were too stupid to rule themselves, and thus needed a powerful central government to make decisions for them. He despised the "great endeavor."

Jeffersonian ideals won the day in the Election of 1800, and later, was buried in the ground at Appomattox. A tyrannical government held a gun at the face of a section of its population and said "you have no right to be free of us, if you do not come back, we will kill you." Many chose death, but the remaining exhaustedly stepped back into government tyranny, and thus the Great Experiment of freedom was ended.

It was after this that we militarized our way west, that we passed the income tax, that we allowed theocratic laws to put a vice grip on the country in the 10's and 20's, that we go involved in two world wars through shady means, that the tyrannical leaders in our government got into a fight with the tyrannical leaders in another country and threatened to nuke us all, that we sent tens of thousands into a small east asian country for no reason, that we burned a compound of religious isolates, that we dumbed down the country to make us just smart enough to vote, that we entered into every foreign entanglement we possibly could, . . . I could go on.

So the Great Experiment ended at Appomattox. Am I REALLY having to type this on RPF?

 

[puppetmaster]

Illegal aliens don't vote. Legal resident aliens don't vote. Only citizens vote. Most legal immigration does not arise from H1B and illegals. I'm not an open border guy by any stretch of the imagination, but the question of voting practices only really apply to legal immigrants after having been granted citizenship. The route to that point is entirely different than the route to Jose the migrant worker. I mean, the voting habit question only really applies to a subset of immigration that we aren't even talking about here.

In Nevada and I am sure many other states you don't have to show ID to vote. I have done it myself without ID.

 

[Danke]

In Nevada and I am sure many other states you don't have to show ID to vote. I have done it myself without ID.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ld-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/

 

[nikcers]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ld-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/

Could control of the Senate in 2014 be decided by illegal votes cast by non-citizens?

This has been debunked in 2014 per your source.

 

[Danke]

This has been debunked in 2014 per your source.

What was "debunked?"

 

[dannno]

FTFY

Remind me not to call you to come fix my plumbing.

 

[nikcers]

What was "debunked?"

Did you RTFA or am I having one of those mandela moments. Did the democrats take control of the Senate??

Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections.

 

[nikcers]

Remind me not to call you to come fix my plumbing.

That's good, im not a fucking plumber, if you would only take that into consideration when you take Trumps opinion like he has a monopoly on fucking knowledge on shit he does not specialize in..

 

[dannno]

That's good, im not a fucking plumber, if you would only take that into consideration when you take Trumps opinion like he has a monopoly on fucking knowledge on shit he does not specialize in..

Has Trump made the argument that hispanics vote Democrat, and that is why we should protect the border?

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

But it's so much easier to blame people who aren't like me.

Yeah, there are not very many progressive liberals on this forum, so I can see why you'd say that.

 

[Danke]

Yeah, there are not very many progressive liberals on this forum, so I can see why you'd say that.

Not many? Lol

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Not many? Lol

heh heh

 

[Philmanoman]

Oh,...I don't know.

I'm not a member of the echo chamber on here so I frequently get banned these days.

It wasn't that way back before this place became a haven for leftist libertarian ideology. But it is what it is.

I really couldn't care less.

Any libertarian minded person with a brain has became a member of the Alt-Right, anyway.

See thats funny right there.
You "people" do realize that youre gung ho about voting for a guy who supported leftist libertarian ideology?

 

[The Rebel Poet]

Doubtful. The phone lines were clogged with RPF members calling their love babe, Hillary.

You say this dumb shit line all the time, but we all know no one here loves Hillary. How about you find me even ONE example. I won't hold my breath.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

We don't have a Republic today. Not, at least, in any regards to the CONstitution. Notice it reads "General Population." Hispanics only make up 17% of that. So if you take the 41% of the general population minus the roughly 13% of Hispanics that want socialism what do you get? Well over a quarter of the population of non-Hispanics that want socialism. BoobU.S. loves it some government. Just accept that fact. White, Black, Hispanic. Dems and Reps. Different reasons. Social welfare or Global warfare. Doesn't matter.

Trying to reason with Trumpcucks is like talking to a big beautiful wall.

 

[acptulsa]

Trying to reason with Trumpcucks is like talking to a big beautiful wall.

One with no big, beautiful door in it.

 

[acptulsa]

There's not a Hillary opposition research thread posted on the forum.

Are you blind, or just reading-challenged?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?searchid=18764934

 

[Danke]

Are you blind, or just reading-challenged?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/search.php?searchid=18764934

Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.

 

[liveandletlive]

when you field a chucklefuck like Trump, you deserve Hillary.