Ky. County clerk makes a stand against feds

Wait, what about Romans 13?

I thought all government was ordained by god and must be obeyed?

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Kim Davis is first political prisoner in same sex marriage licensing

Today federal Judge David L. Bunning of the United States District Court decided to put Kim Davis of Rowan County, Ky., in jail for refusing to issue same sex marriage licenses. SEE: Clerk in Kentucky Chooses Jail Over Deal on Same-Sex Marriage

Judge Bunning said. “If you give people the opportunity to choose which orders they follow, that’s what potentially causes problems.” Unfortunately the Judge’s order was based upon a Supreme Court opinion that the 14th Amendment forbids distinctions in law based upon sex and thus, requires the various States to issue same sex marriage licenses. So, Judge Bunning decided to choose the Supreme Court’s opinion instead of the text and legislative intent of the 14th Amendment!

But the irrefutable fact is, the 14th Amendment does not prohibit by its text, nor was it intended by those who framed and ratified the amendment, to prohibit a state to make distinctions in law based upon sex. The idea that it does prohibit distinctions based upon sex was invented by Justice Ginsburg who engaged in judicial tyranny in the Virginia Military Academy (VMI) case.

In delivering the Court’s opinion in the Virginia Military Institute (VMI) case, decided June 26, 1996, which commanded the Institute to accept women by citing the 14th Amendment as forbidding sex discrimination, Ginsburg pointed to previous Supreme Court rulings and a court invented test unknown to our founding fathers or the 39th Congress, and asserted a party seeking to uphold government action making a distinction based upon sex must establish an "exceedingly persuasive justification" In addition, Ginsburg noted, “The justification must be genuine, not hypothesized or invented post hoc in response to litigation. And it must not rely on overbroad generalizations about the different talents, capacities, or preferences of males and females.”

But to this day, neither Justice Ginsburg nor any Supreme Court Justice has ever established by the text of the 14th Amendment, nor its legislative intent as expressed during the debates of the 39th Congress which framed the amendment, that its purpose was to forbid distinctions based upon gender.

The unavoidable truth is, Justice Ginsburg couldn’t establish this prohibition because time and again during the debates when the 14th Amendment was being framed the intended prohibition against discrimination was identified as being limited to discrimination based upon “race, color, or former condition of slavery”, and was only intended to apply in a very narrow area protecting the civil, not political rights, of Blacks: “to make and enforce contracts, to sue...to inherit, purchase...property as was then enjoyed by white citizens. “Congress did not assume...to adjust what may be called the social rights of men...but only to declare and vindicate these fundamental rights. ” See the Civil Rights Cases, 109 U.S. 3,22 (1883) for confirmation.

As a matter of fact one of the supporters of the 14th Amendment during the 39th Congress, summarized the very purpose of the amendment as stated by the Supreme Court in the Civil Rights Cases. He says:

“Its whole effect is not to confer or regulate rights, but to require that whatever of these enumerated rights and obligations are imposed by State laws shall be for and upon all citizens alike without distinctions based on race or former condition of slavery…It permits the States to say that the wife may not testify, sue or contract. It makes no law as to this. Its whole effect is to require that whatever rights as to each of the enumerated civil (not political) matters the States may confer upon one race or color of the citizens shall be held by all races in equality…It does not prohibit you from discriminating between citizens of the same race, or of different races, as to what their rights to testify, to inherit &c. shall be. But if you do discriminate, it must not be on account of race, color or former conditions of slavery. That is all. If you permit a white man who is an infidel to testify, so you must a colored infidel. Self-evidently this is the whole effect of this first section. It secures-not to all citizens, but to all races as races who are citizens- equality of protection in those enumerated civil rights which the States may deem proper to confer upon any race.” ___ SEE: Representative Shallabarger, Congressional Globe, 1866, page 1293

It should also be noted that Senator Bingham the Amendment's principal author, emphasized “the care of the property, the liberty, and the life of the citizen . . . is in the States and not in the federal government. I have sought to effect no change in that respect.” See Cong. Globe page 1292

Bingham goes on to say:

“I have always believed that the protection in time of peace within the States of all the rights of person and citizen was of the powers reserved to the States. And so I still believe.”

The argument that the wording in the 14th Amendment: (a)“all persons”, (b)"No State shall make any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of United States.", (c) "[N]or deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws", as being evidence the amendment was intended to forbid distinctions based upon sex and intended to be a universal rule to bar every imaginable type of discrimination as the court falsely pretends today, falls flat on its face when reading the words of the 15th Amendment which was intended to enlarge the prohibition against race-based legislation __enlarging it to forbid discrimination at the voting booth based upon “race, color, or previous condition of servitude“ ___ while the Constitution was still silent with regard to distinctions based upon gender and/or prohibiting the right to vote to be denied based upon sex.


The argument that the 14th Amendment prohibits state legislation which makes distinctions based upon gender, becomes even weaker when reading the 19th Amendment which specifically forbids a new kind of discrimination. In this Amendment, the People of America decide to forbid sex discrimination [the discrimination mentioned by Ginsburg] but only extend the prohibition with respect to the right to vote being “denied or abridged” on account of “sex”

If the 14th Amendment prohibited every kind of discrimination as we are today led to believe by certain members of our federal judiciary, including discrimination based upon sex as Ginsburg alleged in the VMI Case and our Supreme Court recently alleged in the same sex marriage case, then why was it necessary for the above mentioned amendments [the 15th and 19th] to be added to the Constitution after the adoption of the 14th Amendment?

Finally, why would there have been a proposed and so-call equal rights amendment attempted to be added to the Constitution of the United States in the 1980’s to prohibit sex discrimination, which fell short of the required number of ratifying States, if the 14th Amendment already prohibited discrimination based upon sex as Ginsburg alleges in the VMI case?

The bottom line is, a number of our Supreme Court Justices have engaged in judicial tyranny and have supplanted their personal political whims and fancies as being the “rule of law” in spite of what the text and legislative intent of our Constitution commands. And now, we have an American citizen, Kim Davis of Rowan County sitting in jail as a political prisoner. Although her argument that her religious beliefs prevent her from issuing a marriage license to a same sex couple is without merit because she is free to quit her job and be true to her religious beliefs, she is still sitting in jail because five Justices on our Supreme Court used their office of public trust to impose their political beliefs upon the entire population of the United States, and for this they ought to be punished with no punishment left off the table.

JWK




"The public welfare demands that constitutional cases must be decided according to the terms of the Constitution itself, and not according to judges' views of fairness, reasonableness, or justice." -- Justice Hugo L. Black ( U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1886 - 1971) Source: Lecture, Columbia University, 1968

 
Wait, what about Romans 13?

I thought all government was ordained by god and must be obeyed?

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You know I saw Romans 13 on a cardboard cut-out in a news article photo of the recent gas station attack by Shannon whats-his-face. And I'd have to say, yes, indeed it would apply in his case because all evidence points to him being an honest man.

But in general no, Romans 13 doesn't mean you have let John Q. Law off the hook.

Commentary on Romans 13 from biblehub:

http://biblehub.com/romans/13-2.htm

Whosoever therefore resisteth the power,.... The office of magistracy, and such as are lawfully placed in it, and rightly exercise it; who denies that there is, or ought to be any such order among men, despises it, and opposes it, and withdraws himself from it, and will not be subject to it in any form:

resisteth the ordinance of God, the will and appointment of God, whose pleasure it is that there should be such an office, and that men should be subject to it. This is not to be understood, as if magistrates were above the laws, and had a lawless power to do as they will without opposition; for they are under the law, and liable to the penalty of it, in case of disobedience, as others; and when they make their own will a law, or exercise a lawless tyrannical power, in defiance of the laws of God, and of the land, to the endangering of the lives, liberties, and properties of subjects, they may be resisted, as Saul was by the people of Israel, when he would have took away the life of Jonathan for the breach of an arbitrary law of his own, and that too without the knowledge of it, 1 Samuel 14:45; but the apostle is speaking of resisting magistrates in the right discharge of their office, and in the exercise of legal power and authority:
 
During times like this it's important to step back and ask what would Caitlyn Jenner do?
 
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Pretty much my take:

He Who Pays the Piper Calls the Tune
Laurence M. Vance
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Butler Schaffer’s recent post reminds me that I need to blog about the Kentucky clerk who is refusing to issue marriage licenses. Any marriage license—not just licenses to same-sex couples. Several Christians have e-mailed me about this so what follows is based on what I have said to them, with additions.

Unlike some conservatives (see here, but also here and here), I am not enthusiastic about the actions of the Kentucky clerk. Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis, an elected official, quit issuing all marriage licenses after the recent Supreme Court gay marriage decision. Gay (and straight) couples sued. A U.S. District Court judge ordered her to issue the licenses, a U.S. Court of Appeals affirmed the order, and the U.S. Supreme Court refused to intervene. Davis maintains she is acting under God’s authority, and said: “To issue a marriage license which conflicts with God’s definition of marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience.”

I have three observations. First and foremost: He who pays the piper calls the tune. If you are going to work for the state, then you do what the state says or you quit. Given the history of U.S. military aggression, you don’t join the military and then say it is unconstitutional for you to be sent to Afghanistan so you should be assigned a desk job in Ohio. If you work for a state or the national park service and you are told to cut down an old tree that you think should remain standing, you cut it down or you quit your job. I could go on and on. For example, a Christian science teacher at a public school who rejects evolution but is told to teach it anyway can do one of two things: teach evolution or quit his job.

Second: the fact that Davis feels that issuing marriage licenses goes against her religion or violates her conscience is no defense. What if someone believes that one or more of the following legal marriages is against his religion or conscience?

A previous marriage that ended in divorce for one or both parties.
Inter-racial marriage.
Marriage between distant cousins.
Marriage between Jew and Gentile.
Marriage between Christian and atheist.
Marriage between Catholic and Protestant.
Marriage between an old man and a young woman.
Marriage between a couple who just met.
Marriage between a couple who met online.

Should he also be allowed to not issue marriage licenses in these circumstances?

Third: Davis is a fraud who doesn’t practice anything like a biblical view of marriage. She has been married four times and divorced three times.

Update: Davis has been put in jail. This is totally unnecessary. She should just be fired. Not sure how you get rid of an elected official in Kentucky.

Too bad Christians in the military don’t refuse to do their jobs and have to be put in jail. And too bad Davis doesn’t refuse to issue licenses because no one should have to get a license from the state to get married.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/he-who-pays-the-piper-calls-the-tune-2/
 
What it amounts to is you can't work for the government and discriminate against homosexuals in your governmental duties. Nor can you discriminate against homosexuals when conducting commerce in the public realm.

But if I had known that Christians wouldn't be able to occupy government positions under these circumstances, then I would have been pushing much harder for gay marriage. With over 80% of governmental positions being occupied by Christians, what better way to bring government to its knees.
She was refusing straight marriage licenses too.
 
In other words, you can't work for the government and be a Christian. Good to know.

TC,

There are Christians who accept homos just as there are sects of other religions that do.

Making a blanket statement about "Christians" is disingenuous.

Now if you would have specified Fundamental Evangelicals.....

Please don't claim to speak for Christians as a group, you're doing yourself and Christianity a disservice.

(I am already aware that you consider Evangelicalism the only "true" Christian" but the rest of the world doesn't and you come across as foolish and myopic by refusing to accept that)
 
TC,

There are Christians who accept homos just as there are sects of other religions that do.

Making a blanket statement about "Christians" is disingenuous.

Now if you would have specified Fundamental Evangelicals.....

Please don't claim to speak for Christians as a group, you're doing yourself and Christianity a disservice.

(I am already aware that you consider Evangelicalism the only "true" Christian" but the rest of the world doesn't and you come across as foolish and myopic by refusing to accept that)

What verses in the Bible do these "other Christians" cite as evidence for their belief that there's nothing morally wrong with homosexuality?
 
Genesis 18:32

Oh look I can quote shit too. Its the reading for content that is important.

You can quote things. But you can't quote something to back up the false claim you made. Why not just admit you made a mistake?
 
Well, in this case it was actually she who sent her husband away - but I suppose that's merely a technicality ;)
.... Does Mark 10:9 (let no man separate) osolete the divorce rules in Deuteronomy

Still, I thought that accepting Christ meant that she was forgiven for all of that. If Christ has forgiven her then shouldn't her original husband take her back?

Regardles, in lieu of returning to her first husband, shouldn't she be refraining from continuing in the illicit marriage she's in now? Or does her husband backlog get wiped clean and she gets to start over?

You are correct. The NT does take precedence. She and one of her former husbands should have reconciled with one another, rather than going on to marry someone else (1 Cor 7:11).

As to your last 2 questions, now that she is in another marriage. That's that. She has to remain in this marriage.
 
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