Endorsing Romney in Minnesota is suicide. He would have been better off endorsing Obama. The polls already heavily favor Klobuchar, this is effectively surrendering and trying to get on good terms with the party bosses. I guess he never really wanted to win.
Kurt endorses Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan ticket....
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yeah he just lost his crossover appeal.
He actually could have made a good commercial talking about how Minnesotans are independent and so is he, which is why he isn't endorsing Mitt Romney for president. That would get people to look at him, this just reinforces what most Minnesotans already think about Romney and those who would endorse him.
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I still support him because I'm looking at the big picture, but my feelings for him have changed. I still feel like I've been stabbed in the back... same pain I felt when Rand endorsed Romney.
But like ssjevot stated, he would have been better off not endorsing Mitt and actually came out and stated where he disagreed with him. We do things different in Minnesota so it would have worked better for him, I'm sure.
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But like ssjevot stated, he would have been better off not endorsing Mitt and actually came out and stated where he disagreed with him. We do things different in Minnesota so it would have worked better for him, I'm sure.
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Maybe he thinks he has no chance in mn but that Romney has a chance there? Maybe he is trying to encourage his supporters to give Romney a 2nd look. Maybe he thinks Paul has decided to stop running and wanted to come out ahead of that news?
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I think this means Kurt is serious about winning this campaign.
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Is this going to keep happening until all of the "liberty candidates" endorse Romney?
Romney has even less of a chance of winning Minnesota than he does. It has the longest blue streak of any state.
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What'd you think he'd do when he put himself on the line to be pure-libertarian and he gets no help from "Liberty movement"? Good on him, I hope he brings more Republicans to him because of this.
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A lot of people on here do not understand what is actually happening in Minnesota.
Look at the polls with Bills against Klobuchar. Bills gets crushed.
Why? Nobody knows who he is.
Here is what it comes down to. You can build a strong grassroots effort for a candidate to build their name recognition, or you can have lots of money to saturate the airwaves with positive biopics, or ideally both.
Bills doesn't have the money. And for the last few months, the liberty movement in MN has not stepped up in great enough numbers to give him the strong grassroots effort necessary. For activists, the net has to be cast wider, because too many of our own failed to do what they needed to do. And plenty of more establishment activists are still upset over Bills riding the Paul organization to victory at the state convention.
Bills did not sell out. He is not attending the RNC so he can campaign at the state fair, a crucial event attended by thousands in Minnesota. Another alternate will take his place and vote for Paul. We still get the Minnesota delegation (as it ought to be).
I just got back in Minnesota today after running for national delegate in TX-14 this summer. I will be phonebanking my ass off for Bills through November. I start walking my local BPOU tomorrow. I will be at Bills' booth at the state fair.
We pride ourselves as a movement motivated by a faith in liberty. Kurt Bills was a voice for liberty in the classroom, was a voice for liberty in the state legislature, and will be a voice for liberty in the US Senate. If we lose, our movement loses. If he wins, we grow. I think it is an easy choice.
Look at the polls with Bills against Klobuchar. Bills gets crushed.
Why? Nobody knows who he is.
Here is what it comes down to. You can build a strong grassroots effort for a candidate to build their name recognition, or you can have lots of money to saturate the airwaves with positive biopics, or ideally both.
Bills doesn't have the money. And for the last few months, the liberty movement in MN has not stepped up in great enough numbers to give him the strong grassroots effort necessary. For activists, the net has to be cast wider, because too many of our own failed to do what they needed to do. And plenty of more establishment activists are still upset over Bills riding the Paul organization to victory at the state convention.
Bills did not sell out. He is not attending the RNC so he can campaign at the state fair, a crucial event attended by thousands in Minnesota. Another alternate will take his place and vote for Paul. We still get the Minnesota delegation (as it ought to be).
I just got back in Minnesota today after running for national delegate in TX-14 this summer. I will be phonebanking my ass off for Bills through November. I start walking my local BPOU tomorrow. I will be at Bills' booth at the state fair.
We pride ourselves as a movement motivated by a faith in liberty. Kurt Bills was a voice for liberty in the classroom, was a voice for liberty in the state legislature, and will be a voice for liberty in the US Senate. If we lose, our movement loses. If he wins, we grow. I think it is an easy choice.
There's a few that won't, like Art Robinson, but he gets no love from RPF admins and we can't buy the guy a subforum here. Sometimes Im not sure if our own forum leadership hasn't sold out or fallen asleep on the job.
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I just thought th polls showed that Romney is somewhat popular in mn while bills is an unknown. I was just throwing a theory out there based on the polls.
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Yep. He's the EEEEVVVILLLL one.
4 years ago he was too. 4 years before that Kerry was. 4 years before that......
Nevermind
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"Bills doesn't have the money. And for the last few months, the liberty movement in MN has not stepped up in great enough numbers to give him the strong grassroots effort necessary. For activists, the net has to be cast wider, because too many of our own failed to do what they needed to do. And plenty of more establishment activists are still upset over Bills riding the Paul organization to victory at the state convention."
The reason for this is his flip-flopping on foreign policy because he thinks he can raise money by doing so. But this not part of the message you can just "water down" it is the very heart of the message. We wouldn't be here without it. If he has no confidence in it, why should the grassroots people who do believe in it bust their tails for him? They were ready to do so until he goes and says to Al Quie "I'm not a Ron Paul Republican." Yeah they feel used and they have every right to feel that way. I'm sure they'll vote for him too, but anything other than that? probably not unless he convinces them otherwise.
How do you think it's going to look when RP gets 32 Minnesota votes and just after the Senate candidate endorsed Romney. Who is the one not thinking here?
The reason for this is his flip-flopping on foreign policy because he thinks he can raise money by doing so. But this not part of the message you can just "water down" it is the very heart of the message. We wouldn't be here without it. If he has no confidence in it, why should the grassroots people who do believe in it bust their tails for him? They were ready to do so until he goes and says to Al Quie "I'm not a Ron Paul Republican." Yeah they feel used and they have every right to feel that way. I'm sure they'll vote for him too, but anything other than that? probably not unless he convinces them otherwise.
How do you think it's going to look when RP gets 32 Minnesota votes and just after the Senate candidate endorsed Romney. Who is the one not thinking here?
Lol, why? He endorsed Ron Paul in the Republican primary, which should be all that matters. I still can't wrap my mind about what's so controversial about Republican Senate candidates endorsing the Republican nominee for President.
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Art was on the list for a forum, but when Bryan came in and made the forums, he noted that Art hadn't had a thread in two weeks at that particular time, so he didn't make one. I did put in a comment, since then, that people were talking about him, but if you want a forum for him you might need to post more threads about him in 2012 candidates. I can't make forums.
Of course, as long as they decide to run as Republicans. In not, they should run as independent candidates or in the Libertarian Party.
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Rands you have to be kidding about. The crowds were growing and we were taking state convention after state convention when he did that. From the speech Ron gave that very day to the Texas State GOP, he had no idea even that late that Rand was going to do it. Rand is where he is because of Ron and essentially took Ron's speech in my opinion. That one isn't about supporting the GOP candidate in the general, but before convention using Ron's own support to take RON'S crown jewel of his campaign.
THAT is the reason most are so incredibly pissed.
People are in denial if they think that Ron ever had a chance to win the GOP nomination after he got third in Iowa and lost badly to Romney in New Hampshire. There's no possible way to win the GOP nomination if you can't win the popular vote in 15-20 states. It doesn't matter if you can sneak in a few more delegates at a few state conventions. Let's get real here.