Kurt endorses Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan ticket....

Bastiat's The Law said:
Because he called Ron on the phone and obviously got his blessing...and Bills can see the writing on the wall. Swallow the pill and move on. These initial liberty candidates are laying the ground work for a time in the future when we no longer have to swallow bitter endorsement pills, when we get a nominee we can all be proud of. This is just one step in the process. Incremental changes my friend.
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funny Bills never said he got his blessing, you think he would have given the nature of that email, don't you? You are making up a back story.

and I have no problem moving on, less the money I sent, but more knowlegable for the future.
 
Not even going to read through.

I'm sure it will be filled with the shock of what a backstabber Bills is. Yet in this universe, Republican candidates must support the general election or they will lose as they should. Don't expect t party to back you if you don't back the party.
 
Kurt is taking a beating on Facebook. Looks like he is losing lots of support. (@Kathy88 I did it right, right?).

Oh, and supporting the nominee after the convention, most people probably would accept that.
 
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ClydeCoulter said:
Kurt is taking a beating on Facebook. Looks like he is losing lots of support. (@Kathy88 I did it right, right?).

Oh, and supporting the nominee after the convention, most people probably would accept that.
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people should not attack his facebook imho, but I don't know what they are saying. If they are just expressing disappointment, I suppose that is fair.
 
Bastiat's The Law said:
It matters to establishment republicans, they fawn over rhetoric, why do you think they support establishment nominees ever election cycle? They're women falling for sweet nothings being whispered in their ear. They don't care for voting records. I'm glad our liberty candidates are smart enough to play the game in a nuanced fashion.
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Where are all the Buchanan Brigades? They should be the GOP by now, right? After-all he played the song and dance, and endorsed Dole and all that jazz. Oh, that's right, he alienated his entire movement by betraying their principles, but, hey that one worked out all right. :p
 
Bastiat's The Law said:
That's fine. Not everyone liked Ron Paul either, especially initially.
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But your statements of 'our candidates' and what we all should be on board with and all should swallow, really just applies to you. Everyone has their own standards Where enough of ours combine, the candidates will get more support. Breaking a promise and endorsing before convention is going to bother some more than others, and since you don't care about Ron's campaign except how it pushes other candidates, people who do may not agree with you on the importance of that.
 
sailingaway said:
people should not attack his facebook imho, but I don't know what they are saying. If they are just expressing disappointment, I suppose that is fair.
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Mostly they are posting videos of Ryan support NDAA, Patriot Act, TARP, etc... But some are voters that are saying that he just lost their vote, and they are not going to wear his campaign T's anymore, etc..
 
Austrian Econ Disciple said:
Where are all the Buchanan Brigades? They should be the GOP by now, right? After-all he played the song and dance, and endorsed Dole and all that jazz. Oh, that's right, he alienated his entire movement by betraying their principles, but, hey that one worked out all right. :p
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+rep

And the Reagan Revolutionaries before that.

And the Goldwater-ites before that.
 
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It wasn't Bills who "backed out." It was Ron himself and the official campaign. The official campaign could have jumped on the blatant fraud, abuse, physical confrontation, and law breaking. They wouldn't. And they only put out a do-nothing press release about a week ago saying they would "do everything in their power to seat the delegates."

They didn't do anything. Ron stopped speaking like he wanted to win. He authorized the email conceding months ago.

I think, if Ron and the campaign were really still in it, Bills and the others wouldn't have endorsed. It's obvious Bills spoke with Ron and the Campaign. I'm sure Rand did as well.

If I'm mad or disappointed at anyone, it's the campaign. I could tell for a while their heart wasn't in it to the degree mine was, and they refused to admit it or inform the grassroots of their intentions. They just continued to take money, instill false hope, and give it a half hearted effort.

The way in which it was handled is, what I believe, caused all this controversy. I feel a lot of it was to protect Ron as the standard holder, but it would have been nice if they had the fall guy Benton delivering the message. Basically, leaving all of this to speculation was the wrong idea, and it's caused microfractures in this movement. We argue over who endorsed, why, what the intentions were, and even the character of these people.

It would have been easier if Benton just put out a press release that wasn't so vague. Even if he came out and said they were working with liberty candidates to secure a strong republican platform or something. But no word...no nothing. Just leaving the grassroots to fight amongst ourselves, wondering why we've lost contact, where our help was, what the campaign was doing in regard to the abuse of our rights, and why our liberty candidates were, seemingly, abandoning the Ron Paul boat for a statist.

Obviously, they aren't and weren't. But when things happen abruptly, it's easy to get that impression.

sailingaway said:
I've heard people charactorize Ron saying 'well, he seems to have the delegates' about Romney as saying he is no longer able to win. But Ron winning the nomination was always a long shot. Five states they couldn't contest because we had enough extras really was easily within our grasp I do believe. And to this day, our delegates are fighting to give Ron five states, and backing out on them (going against the state delegation in the process) when he could just wait a week makes it seem to me he was offered consideration for it and took it.

I'll see how he votes IF he gets in, but I'm no longer going to be donating to him.
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Ah, this takes me down memory lane. This thread is the same dead horse being whooped all over town just like Rand's. Many people have chilled about Ron's own son "throwing him to the wolves" and the same will happen in this instance. Knee jerk reactions and hysteria as if this was our first time to the rodeo. I can understand folks' initial dismay just like the last go round but what good is it to log 50 posts trying to send one's blood pressure through the roof. If you don't see another email from Ron or Rand asking for money for Bills, there's your answer. I wasn't going to get overly worked up over this race until I saw one of the heavy weight PACs lining up for him. I'm not sinking money into Dennis because he doesn't have a prayer. Bills has a legit shot but can't depend on the liberty movement only for a win. We clearly didn't come through for Schiff as far as the fundraising we did for Rand.
 
rockandrollsouls said:
It wasn't Bills who "backed out." It was Ron himself and the official campaign. The official campaign could have jumped on the blatant fraud, abuse, physical confrontation, and law breaking. They wouldn't. And they only put out a do-nothing press release about a week ago saying they would "do everything in their power to seat the delegates."

They didn't do anything. Ron stopped speaking like he wanted to win. He authorized the email conceding months ago.

I think, if Ron and the campaign were really still in it, Bills and the others wouldn't have endorsed. It's obvious Bills spoke with Ron and the Campaign. I'm sure Rand did as well.

If I'm mad or disappointed at anyone, it's the campaign. I could tell for a while their heart wasn't in it to the degree mine was, and they refused to admit it or inform the grassroots of their intentions. They just continued to take money, instill false hope, and give it a half hearted effort.

The way in which it was handled is, what I believe, caused all this controversy. I feel a lot of it was to protect Ron as the standard holder, but it would have been nice if they had the fall guy Benton delivering the message. Basically, leaving all of this to speculation was the wrong idea, and it's caused microfractures in this movement. We argue over who endorsed, why, what the intentions were, and even the character of these people.

It would have been easier if Benton just put out a press release that wasn't so vague. Even if he came out and said they were working with liberty candidates to secure a strong republican platform or something. But no word...no nothing. Just leaving the grassroots to fight amongst ourselves, wondering why we've lost contact, where our help was, what the campaign was doing in regard to the abuse of our rights, and why our liberty candidates were, seemingly, abandoning the Ron Paul boat for a statist.

Obviously, they aren't and weren't. But when things happen abruptly, it's easy to get that impression.
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You have no idea what Ron did, and without those comments you conclude are true your argument as to him falls apart. But it doesn't matter because it wasn't Ron he owed it to but to the delegates he made the promise to.
 
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