Kurt endorses Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan ticket....

[jonhowe]

what good is a so called liberty candidate that sells out only when it benefits his career?

Career? He has to get elected first...

That being said, I'm not surprised. I don't mind it either. I'd rather him endorse romney, win, and then be a voice for liberty in office, then not get elected at all.

 

[sailingaway]

Career? He has to get elected first...

That being said, I'm not surprised. I don't mind it either. I'd rather him endorse romney, win, and then be a voice for liberty in office, then not get elected at all.

despite having promised he'd back Ron through convention to Ron Paul delegates who were voting him the state's endorsement? He always said he'd support the 'nominee' after convention.

Why do you think he couldn't wait one week?

 

[Badger Paul]

Here's the thing though, if it was just about the endorsement itself, it wouldn't be that big a deal (certainly not worth 16 pages). But it has been part of a pattern with him since the state GOP convention where he's either flip-flopped, changed his views or made statements which have Republicans throughout the state utterly confused as to what he really believes in. When you tell Al Quie you're not a "Ron Paul Republican" because you "vote your principals" what are you trying to say? No one should be surprised more than few Ron Paul supporters in Minnesota feel used by him.

I agree it's tough for Liberty movements candidate because they are being buffeted by so many forces in the party and incumbent upon us to create more liberty voters so they don't feel the need to flip-flop. But there also too has to be displeasure expressed when said candidates break promises. I agree the movement needs to go from protest to leadership but breaking your word is not leadership.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

DISAGREE with you 100%

It took Ron 30 years, but his popularity had grown expontentially precisely for the reason that he would not compromise. The compromisors are the past we are the future. the line has been drawn, pick a side.

And that gets you so far. Ron was needed for his time and was a slap to the face wake up call for many who dropped out of the political process, now we have to take it to the next level and get more of our people in the House, Senate, and eventually President. Our candidates will be nuanced liberty candidates, finding their own voice, not Ron Paul clones.

 

[sailingaway]

And that gets you so far. Ron was needed for his time and was a slap to the face wake up call for many who dropped out of the political process, now we have to take it to the next level and get more of our people in the House, Senate, and eventually President. Our candidates will be nuanced liberty candidates, finding their own voice, not Ron Paul clones.

Your candidates may be. People will all pick their own.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Put me on ignore if you don't like hearing it. Maybe it bothers you because there's a grain of truth in we're saying.

It's relevant to the story that came out today about Kurt Bills, because the same apologists are making the same excuses for his endorsement... "it doesn't mean anything...blah, blah, blah"

If it doesn't mean anything, then why do it?

It matters to establishment republicans, they fawn over rhetoric, why do you think they support establishment nominees ever election cycle? They're women falling for sweet nothings being whispered in their ear. They don't care for voting records. I'm glad our liberty candidates are smart enough to play the game in a nuanced fashion.

 

[misean]

On pure political issues like endorsements, it's much better to be pragmatic than principled. Walter Block is right about this. That's why Rand Paul's endorsement isn't a big deal. On political issues its much better to make decisions on how much you stand to gain in the future.

Also, people forget what an exception Ron Paul is. There is one Ron Paul in history. And keep in mind, Kurt Bills is running for state office in a Blue state. That's much different from winning a House seat in a conservative district.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

No, he is realistic. We should try for as close as we can get to perfect, but if you are not going to support anyone but another Ron Paul, you will be waiting a very long time. He is one in a lifetime. Do you not understand that? He is just that rare.

We have some great liberty candidates. None of them perfect, but pretty damn good. People like Justin Amash and Rand Paul. To throw them under the bus is complete idiocy.

Our liberty candidates are laying the ground work so when the next Ron Paul emerges he's not some obscure Congressmen given a podium in a broom closet. Incremental changes people. Ron was a good hail mary pass, but this isn't the end of the game, this is just the end of the 1st quarter.

 

[sailingaway]

On pure political issues like endorsements, it's much better to be pragmatic than principled. Walter Block is right about this. That's why Rand Paul's endorsement isn't a big deal. On political issues its much better to make decisions on how much you stand to gain in the future.

Also, people forget what an exception Ron Paul is. There is one Ron Paul in history. And keep in mind, Kurt Bills is running for state office in a Blue state. That's much different from winning a House seat in a conservative district.

before convention is a difference that was completely unnecessary, however.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

You're right. It should be expected ... over and over and over again.

Keep working in the GOP, kids. There will be more of this coming down the pipe.

As opposed to dropping out of the political process or being ostracized to political Siberia in some obscure third party? Yeah, that's a winning combination. You guys offer NOTHING except attacks against Ron Paul's advice of working within the GOP.

 

[devil21]

Been trying my ass off to get a subforum for a REAL Liberty candidate for US Congress, Mr. Art Robinson, but that's proving the toughest thing Ive ever had to do on this forum. But this guy Bills gets a subforum then endorses the statists. Go figure.

Can we get an Art Robinson subforum FINALLY please???

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I guess the rationale for Rand was that he's trying to position himself to run in 2016 but I'm not defending him or happy about his endorsement to say the least since I don't think it was necessary.

I think it's a little harsh tho to declare someone a traitor to the cause simply because of a political endorsement.

Especially when Ron Paul himself made some questionable endorsements. I bet he'd really like to take back his Adam Kokesh endorsement right about now.

 

[Anti Federalist]

You should go to the convention and vote your conscience. You should go to the convention as Republicans, and you should leave the convention as Republicans with one goal this election cycle: the defeat of Barack Obama and Joe Biden

That's why I'm sitting this one out and writing in RP.

I could care less about "defeating" Obama, when the next in line is just more of the same.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I know how you feel about these things because we've gone a few rounds about it before.

But forge ahead, I must.

If Rand and Bills are afraid to come out and say that Romney's policies won't be any different than Obama's, what will we have gained by their win? At some point, more than their votes in Congress and Senate will be required to get this country back on track.

In order to seat more liberty candidates, we will need more liberty voters...not just Republican voters. This could have been a "teachable moment" for the FOXNews viewers; instead, now they think that Romney's policies are A-OK with Bills and Rand.

Don't you see that?

We'd gain the best Senators we've had in 50 years! Do you plan to marry these men or something? Perfection only exists in your head, the sooner you understand that the better; and the only person you're going to agree with 100% of the time is yourself, so get off the potty and run for office or something. Be the change you wish to see in the world, especially if you think you can do better than the liberty candidates already running for office. Heck Carol and Ron Paul said they don't always see eye to eye on matters and they've been married longer than you've been alive.

 

[sailingaway]

We'd gain the best Senators we've had in 50 years! Do you plan to marry these men or something? Perfection only exists in your head, the sooner you understand that the better; and the only person you're going to agree with 100% of the time is yourself, so get off the potty and run for office or something. Be the change you wish to see in the world, especially if you think you can do better than the liberty candidates already running for office. Heck Carol and Ron Paul said they don't always see eye to eye on matters and they've been married longer than you've been alive.

Not everyone is going to like the candidates you like.

 

[Eisenhower]

Confirmed SCUMBAG.

 

[cajuncocoa]

We'd gain the best Senators we've had in 50 years! Do you plan to marry these men or something? Perfection only exists in your head, the sooner you understand that the better; and the only person you're going to agree with 100% of the time is yourself, so get off the potty and run for office or something. Be the change you wish to see in the world, especially if you think you can do better than the liberty candidates already running for office. Heck Carol and Ron Paul said they don't always see eye to eye on matters and they've been married longer than you've been alive.

Wrong again.

And I'll get off the potty when I stop reading your posts, because that's where they belong.

 

[sailingaway]

Especially when Ron Paul himself made some questionable endorsements. I bet he'd really like to take back his Adam Kokesh endorsement right about now.

BEFORE Ron made that endorsement there not only was no reason not to, Adam had been a really positive force.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

despite having promised he'd back Ron through convention to Ron Paul delegates who were voting him the state's endorsement? He always said he'd support the 'nominee' after convention.

Why do you think he couldn't wait one week?

Because he called Ron on the phone and obviously got his blessing...and Bills can see the writing on the wall. Swallow the pill and move on. These initial liberty candidates are laying the ground work for a time in the future when we no longer have to swallow bitter endorsement pills, when we get a nominee we can all be proud of. This is just one step in the process. Incremental changes my friend, even God took seven days to create something new.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Adam Kokesh was one of the candidates worthy of a Ron Paul endorsement.