Kurt endorses Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan ticket....

[sailingaway]

Ah, this takes me down memory lane. This thread is the same dead horse being whooped all over town just like Rand's. Many people have chilled about Ron's own son "throwing him to the wolves" and the same will happen in this instance. Knee jerk reactions and hysteria as if this was our first time to the rodeo. I can understand folks' initial dismay just like the last go round but what good is it to log 50 posts trying to send one's blood pressure through the roof. If you don't see another email from Ron or Rand asking for money for Bills, there's your answer. I wasn't going to get overly worked up over this race until I saw one of the heavy weight PACs lining up for him. I'm not sinking money into Dennis because he doesn't have a prayer. Bills has a legit shot but can't depend on the liberty movement only for a win. We clearly didn't come through for Schiff as far as the fundraising we did for Rand.

This isn't as bad as Rand's, imho, because it doesn't come amidst growing enthusiasm, crowds and success at conventions, by his own son, while Ron was pretty clearly (to me, per his TX gOP speech that very day) still fighting for all he could get and expecting to be placed in nomination for a speech at convention. In this case it comes after many attributed statements saying Ron isn't going even to be nominated onto the floor from various people. But it still is while delegates are fighting for their seats to nominate Ron and goes back on a promise Bills made when he was pitching a bunch of Paul delegates for the state GOP primary endorsement.

If he makes it to senator, he might make a decent one as Senators go; the bar is very low. However, I'm shifting my interest elsewhere.

 

[LibertyEagle]

This isn't as bad as Rand's, imho, because it doesn't come amidst growing enthusiasm, crowds and success at conventions, by his own son, while Ron was pretty clearly (to me, per his TX gOP speech that very day) still fighting for all he could get and expecting to be placed in nomination for a speech at convention. In this case it comes after many attributed statements saying Ron isn't going even to be nominated onto the floor from various people. But it still is while delegates are fighting for their seats to nominate Ron and goes back on a promise Bills made when he was pitching a bunch of Paul delegates for the state GOP primary endorsement.

PLEASE GIVE IT A REST, Sailing!!!!!

How many times more are you going to post this on this forum? This is not the hate Rand Paul forum, you know.

Do you honestly believe Ron would appreciate you using a forum named after him to constantly deride his son and what he believes is the future of the movement he spawned?

It never stops. Over and over and over again.....

 

[sailingaway]

PLEASE GIVE IT A REST, Sailing!!!!!

How many times more are you going to post this on this forum? This is not the hate Rand Paul forum, you know.

Do you honestly believe Ron would appreciate you using a forum named after him to constantly deride his son and what he believes is the future of the movement he spawned?

I am responding to a post comparing this to Rand's endorsement.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Well Bills spoke to Ron. If you can't see how this unfolded and what happened, I don't know what to say. Everything I've said this election cycle has turned out to be spot on.

Everything from trying to start a fund to get our delegates the help I KNEW the campaign wouldn't give them to seeing Gilbert's lawsuit was a crock and trying to get a chipin going so we could get a real attorney before time ran out (and time did run out.)

Maybe if you listened to my suggestions we wouldn't even be in this position right now and our delegates would be seated. But it was always too little, too late. Coming to realize my sentiments were correct AFTER the fact.

Listen, I don't like to lose. I was in this to win it from the beginning. It's a shame you guys can't see how the campaign f*cked us. I was screaming at the top of my lungs to take control of this MONTHS ago and all I heard was "trust the campaign. Ron's in it to win it this time! We're going to pull an upset at the convention."

I warned of the GOP shenanigans and the halfheartedness from the campaign. Liberty never, ever came without fighting for it tooth and nail. I don't know why you all thought this time would be different and the campaign would deliver us a victory.

Nothing else I can say anymore.

You have no idea what Ron did, and without those comments you conclude are true your argument as to him falls apart. But it doesn't matter because it wasn't Ron he owed it to but to the delegates he made the promise to.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Yea. Considering Rand strongly consulted with his father prior to even getting into politics I'd be extremely hard pressed to believe Rand didn't have a long heartfelt conversation with his father about that.

PLEASE GIVE IT A REST, Sailing!!!!!

How many times more are you going to post this on this forum? This is not the hate Rand Paul forum, you know.

Do you honestly believe Ron would appreciate you using a forum named after him to constantly deride his son and what he believes is the future of the movement he spawned?

It never stops. Over and over and over again.....

 

[sailingaway]

Well Bills spoke to Ron. If you can't see how this unfolded and what happened, I don't know what to say. Everything I've said this election cycle has turned out to be spot on.

Everything from trying to start a fund to get our delegates the help I KNEW the campaign wouldn't give them to seeing Gilbert's lawsuit was a crock and trying to get a chipin going so we could get a real attorney before time ran out (and time did run out.)

Maybe if you listened to my suggestions we wouldn't even be in this position right now and our delegates would be seated. But it was always too little, too late. Coming to realize my sentiments were correct AFTER the fact.

Listen, I don't like to lose. I was in this to win it from the beginning. It's a shame you guys can't see how the campaign f*cked us. I was screaming at the top of my lungs to take control of this MONTHS ago and all I heard was "trust the campaign. Ron's in it to win it this time! We're going to pull an upset at the convention."

I warned of the GOP shenanigans and the halfheartedness from the campaign. Liberty never, ever came without fighting for it tooth and nail. I don't know why you all thought this time would be different and the campaign would deliver us a victory.

Nothing else I can say anymore.

Many of the things you kept saying were things we could do nothing about.

 

[sailingaway]

Yea. Considering Rand strongly consulted with his father prior to even getting into politics I'd be extremely hard pressed to believe Rand didn't have a long heartfelt conversation with his father about that.

I'm not going to get into it, but you might want to watch Ron's speech to the Texas GOP state convention, just a few hours before Rand's endorsement.

 

[Bosco Warden]

Kurt Bills Flip-Flops: Switches Presidential Support from Ron Paul to Mitt Romney

Another cock sucker. No offense to cock suckers.....

Minneapolis Star Tribune: State Rep. Kurt Bills, who won the Republican Party's endorsement for U.S. Senate, switched his presidential support Thursday from Ron Paul to Mitt Romney.

Bills said in a statement that Romney and his running mate, Wisconsin U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan, "alone have the ability to beat Barack Obama in November and help America rediscover its conservative principles."

Full Story...

Kurt Bills presses Republicans to back Romney, not Paul

In a statement being distributed by the Republican Party of Minnesota, GOP Senate candidate Kurt Bills states, "In order to defeat Obama and his lieutenant Amy Klobuchar, Republicans of all stripes must stand together. We cannot afford to squabble, and mustn't equivocate. We need to unite--standing on our shared principles--to win in November."

http://www.dailypaul.com/250420/kurt-bills-flip-flops-puts-support-behind-romney

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Wow, what a surprise! Traitor! No One But Paul!

/sarcasm

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Easily could have stopped pumping millions into the moneybombs the campaign used for NOTHING and used it for competent attorneys.

Getting the delegates elected at the conventions? All grassroots. All of the major work was ALL grassroots. All the campaign did was run flashy commercials.

And looks like everything I said was once again validated judging by the other thread we're now in. Ron won't even ACCEPT the nomination.

Many of the things you kept saying were things we could do nothing about.

 

[mz10]

Brace for the hipsters to come out of their basements. Sellout! Sellout!

 

[FSP-Rebel]

This isn't as bad as Rand's, imho, because it doesn't come amidst growing enthusiasm, crowds and success at conventions, by his own son, while Ron was pretty clearly (to me, per his TX gOP speech that very day) still fighting for all he could get and expecting to be placed in nomination for a speech at convention. In this case it comes after many attributed statements saying Ron isn't going even to be nominated onto the floor from various people. But it still is while delegates are fighting for their seats to nominate Ron and goes back on a promise Bills made when he was pitching a bunch of Paul delegates for the state GOP primary endorsement.

If he makes it to senator, he might make a decent one as Senators go; the bar is very low. However, I'm shifting my interest elsewhere.

I planned on waiting for the convention to see who out of our bunch was sat and then make my mental report card as to how the official campaign performed on their maximization of delegates strategy. The campaign, with Ron at the helm, thought it best to let the RNC have its way and not go all out to defend all delegates. If they thought that best having taken all evidence under advisement, so be it. We all have to come to grips with that. As of today, Bills clearly realizes that the ship has sailed this primary season and all the other holdouts will be lining up behind R-money.
One can get by in a House race not playing ball, not a Senate candidate (w/ a broke state party) going up against an entrenched incumbent with bank. Everyone has their targets on Bills when it was the campaign that went in a direction that Bills thought freed him up from his obligations. Was he supposed to send out a John Deere letter to all Paul supporters explaining his positioning or just let it go and assume they are smart enough to figure this out for themselves with out having a near death experience. I've said my piece and this is over and done with, my hats off to those that feel the need to wear themselves out over it.

 

[sailingaway]

Easily could have stopped pumping millions into the moneybombs the campaign used for NOTHING and used it for competent attorneys.

Getting the delegates elected at the conventions? All grassroots. All of the major work was ALL grassroots. All the campaign did was run flashy commercials.

And looks like everything I said was once again validated judging by the other thread we're now in. Ron won't even ACCEPT the nomination.

I don't regret anything we did for Ron to get the nomination. Regardless of if he now thinks it is impossible to be nominated as clearly all those around him think, he was fighting through Texas State GOP, no question in my mind. My views of the campaign around him are different, which is why I am trying to get clarification if RON said he wouldn't accept a nomination or if the staff was just using loose language to persuade delegates..

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Well apparently Ron said it, and that's not the first I've heard of Ron saying things and Jesse being the messenger. I didn't believe a lot of it, but I saw it in his body language and everything that was going on.

I don't regret anything we did for Ron to get the nomination. Regardless of if he now thinks it is impossible to be nominated as clearly all those around him think, he was fighting through Texas State GOP, no question in my mind. My views of the campaign around him are different, which is why I am trying to get clarification if RON said he wouldn't accept a nomination or if the staff was just using loose language to persuade delegates..

 

[mz10]

Here's the problem, in my opinion. Was Kurt right to endorse before the convention, rather than after? Perhaps not, and he should be called out for that. But what we always seem to do is have a PMS episode over relatively minor slip-ups and throw the baby out with the bathwater. Rejecting Kurt Bills entirely because of one thing he did wrong? It seems idiotic to me. Call him out for his mistake, but continue to support him as one of the few liberty candidates in the country.

 

[TCE]

1. This is a purely political move to try and get some money from establishment Republicans and to try and shore up the Romney vote in Minnesota. That is all.

2. This is completely irrelevant since Kurt Bills has approximately a 1% chance of winning, and that might even be high. After the November election, Bills will fade into obscurity anyway, so this will all be for nothing. Bills is consistently down big in polls and the race is consistently rated as "Safe Democrat."

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/15/in-senate-races-politics-are-local-again/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2012

 

[sailingaway]

Here's the problem, in my opinion. Was Kurt right to endorse before the convention, rather than after? Perhaps not, and he should be called out for that. But what we always seem to do is have a PMS episode over relatively minor slip-ups and throw the baby out with the bathwater. Rejecting Kurt Bills entirely because of one thing he did wrong? It seems idiotic to me. Call him out for his mistake, but continue to support him as one of the few liberty candidates in the country.

actually, if Ron really did (another thread) just say that he doesn't think he has the numbers and doesn't want people to try to nominate him from the floor and wouldn't accept it so we shouldn't try, AND told Bills that, in my book Bills is off the hook. Still working on nailing that big piece down though.

 

[sailingaway]

1. This is a purely political move to try and get some money from establishment Republicans and to try and shore up the Romney vote in Minnesota. That is all.

2. This is completely irrelevant since Kurt Bills has approximately a 1% chance of winning, and that might even be high. After the November election, Bills will fade into obscurity anyway, so this will all be for nothing. Bills is consistently down big in polls and the race is consistently rated as "Safe Democrat."

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/15/in-senate-races-politics-are-local-again/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2012

Why would that be ok to break a promise for that?

 

[sailingaway]

Here's the problem, in my opinion. Was Kurt right to endorse before the convention, rather than after? Perhaps not, and he should be called out for that. But what we always seem to do is have a PMS episode over relatively minor slip-ups and throw the baby out with the bathwater. Rejecting Kurt Bills entirely because of one thing he did wrong? It seems idiotic to me. Call him out for his mistake, but continue to support him as one of the few liberty candidates in the country.

based on what? I think facts may show he didn't betray anything, as they are playing out, but for liberty candidates to break a promise to liberty delegates for political considerations sure isn't a good start in my book.

 

[TCE]

Why would that be ok to break a promise for that?

It's not okay, but his logic is sound in a political sense. If he keeps his promise to us, then his upside is practically nothing and he is known as a Pauler, and thus, is sure to get nothing from the mainstream, but he keeps us happy and he loses with dignity. If he betrays us and endorses Romney, well, maybe some important people will toss him some money and he parlays that into more money and makes a run at this. The downside is that he pisses us off, but again, as if the liberty-lovers in Minnesota are going to vote for anyone else anyway, so there is practically no downside.