Islam is not a RACE

The question of Jewishness and atheism is a good illustration of the difficulty of defining race and ethnicity, as well as the inclusion of ideology as a factor. Lots of people who identify as Jews, and are identified as others as Jews, are atheists, and they don't see that as disqualifying them from counting as Jews as a racial or ethnic category.
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/survey-record-number-of-israeli-jews-believe-in-god-1.409386

If, on the other hand, those atheist Jews came to believe in the existence of the God of Abraham, and further to believe that this God has revealed himself to us in Jesus Christ, the king of the Jews, and convert to Christianity, they would no longer count as Jews in any sense of the word, except by some other Christians, who would insist that all the other Jews and most gentiles of the world are wrong, and that these "messianic Jews" really are still Jews.
 
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So. Why can't ideology be a factor in racial identity?

It can. It is what the Nazis believe, and others. We would agree that it certainly is not Christian. It is beneath the divine plan which God has revealed, which is that circumcision and racial pedigree is of no impediment or significance in becoming a member of His Body and sibling in Christ. Whoever judges a man on the flesh he was born into rather then their heart and spirit is not a Christian.
 
It can. It is what the Nazis believe, and others. We would agree that it certainly is not Christian. It is beneath the divine plan which God has revealed, which is that circumcision and racial pedigree is of no impediment or significance in becoming a member of His Body and sibling in Christ. Whoever judges a man on the flesh he was born into rather then their heart and spirit is not a Christian.

Why does racial identity have to be based on something inherent to anyone's flesh?

And since you bring up Christianity, what would be wrong with considering Christianity a race, like many of the Church fathers considered it to be?

I also find it interesting that you pair circumcision with racial pedigree, since circumcision is a procedure that may or may not be performed on anyone regardless who their ancestors were. I think you're right to do so. But it further highlights problems with primordialism.
 
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Why does racial identity have to be based on something inherent to anyone's flesh?

Because that is the normal understanding of the term racial identity. It has to do with one's born genetic characteristics and physical flesh. Now, if you want to present a new idea that one's racial identify is not related to one's flesh, then explain it.

And since you bring up Christianity, what would be wrong with considering Christianity a race, like many of the Church fathers considered it to be?

It is because you have such a poor understanding of the mind of the Church Fathers, (as well as their writings), whereby you make a critical mistake.

The Christian race described by the Church Fathers is understood through the mystery of Baptism. It is at the moment of Holy Baptism when the fleshy man bound to a body born into sin is transformed by the grace of God and through the sanctified water into a member of the body of Jesus Christ, as brothers by divine grace given from the Father and through Christ's incarnate flesh given to Him by the Virgin Mary.

The Christian's racial identity is not by the flesh and genetic DNA they were born into, but by the Body and Blood of Christ. So here, the Church Fathers use the term as it is normally is used, namely that one's racial identify has to do with the flesh they are born (or reborn) in.
 
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I also find it interesting that you pair circumcision with racial pedigree, since circumcision is a procedure that may or may not be performed on anyone regardless who their ancestors were. I think you're right to do so. But it further highlights problems with primordialism.

When I used the example of circumcision, I meant to stress one's physical make up or outward appearance. There a different components of racial identity. Most of it has to do with direct bloodline. Outward physician marks or signs, whether born into or tattoed or whatever, can also be components of one's racial self-identity, but it stems froms the idea that they are of the same make up, as brothers with the same Father.
 
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Because that is the normal understanding of the term racial identity.
Maybe that's what people normally mean. But most peoples' concept of race doesn't match reality. And across cultures and races themselves, and over time, there is no single normal understanding of racial identity. People understand it differently and emphasize different things in it. According to what was common usage of the terms thee-hundred years ago in America, "Christian" essentially meant what most people today would call "white," and "pagan" what we would call "Indian" or "Native American."

It has to do with one's born genetic characteristics and physical flesh. Now, if you want to present a new idea that one's racial identify is not related to one's flesh, then explain it.

It has to do with lots of things. Sometimes these things include genetic characteristics, sometimes not. I like how you said "related to." This means something much less precise than "determined by." This is not a new idea. It is a very ancient one. It happens to be that I am more familiar with the ancient evidence for this than the modern. But it is a very lively discussion among modern anthropologists, hardly any of whom still accept primordialism.

Consider how the US Census bureau defines a person's race. For them, a person's race is strictly whatever that person identifies themselves as. There exist no genetic or physical criteria by which those self-identifications can be overturned. And if you think they are wrong in that, I would love for you to come up with an objective way to classify people into races using physical and genetic criteria.

It is because you have such a poor understanding of the mind of the Church Fathers, (as well as their writings), whereby you make a critical mistake.

The Christian race described by the Church Fathers is understood through the mystery of Baptism. It is at the moment of Holy Baptism when the fleshy man bound to a body born into sin is transformed by the grace of God and through the sanctified water into a member of the body of Jesus Christ, as brothers by divine grace given from the Father and through Christ's incarnate flesh given to Him by the Virgin Mary.

The Christian's racial identity is not by the flesh and genetic DNA they were born into, but by the Body and Blood of Christ. So here, the Church Fathers use the term as it is normally is used, namely that one's racial identify has to do with the flesh they are born (or reborn) in.

First you tell me that I have a poor understanding, then you just reiterate my position back to me. Which is it? Do you agree that Christianity can rightly be considered a race, regardless of DNA? Or do you disagree? Given everything you just said, I can't tell where specifically you think I made a critical mistake.

I should point out, incidentally, more for the sake of others reading this, that it wasn't only early Christians themselves who spoke of Christianity as a race or nation, in order to make some theological point that wouldn't make sense to outsiders. But Christianity's early detractors also sometimes spoke of it in those terms.

So, getting back to the question of the OP, if Christianity can reasonably be considered a race, regardless of DNA, why can't Islam?
 
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When I used the example of circumcision, I meant to stress one's physical make up or outward appearance. There a different components of racial identity. Most of it has to do with direct bloodline. Outward physician marks or signs, whether born into or tattoed or whatever, can also be components of one's racial self-identity, but it stems froms the idea that they are of the same make up, as brothers with the same Father.

This is a much more reasonable understanding of race than what you said earlier.

On your last line, the term "make up" is very ambiguous, and rightly so. What is a person's "make up"? And how does it come from their father? Of course, part of a person's make up is their DNA, and most people do get DNA from their fathers. But some people are adopted and get no DNA at all from their fathers. But those fathers who adopt and raise them still contribute a great deal to their "make up" and racial identities.
 
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Maybe that's what people normally mean. But most peoples' concept of race doesn't match reality. And across cultures and races themselves, and over time, there is no single normal understanding of racial identity. People understand it differently and emphasize different things in it. According to what was common usage of the terms thee-hundred years ago in America, "Christian" essentially meant what today would call "white," and "pagan" what we would call "Indian" or "Native American."



It has to do with lots of things. Sometimes these things include genetic characteristics, sometimes not. This is not a new idea. It is a very ancient one. It happens to be that I am more familiar with the ancient evidence for this than the modern. But it is a very lively discussion among modern anthropologists, hardly any of whom still accept primordialism.

Consider how the US Census bureau defines a person's race. For them, a person's race is strictly whatever that person identifies themselves as. There exist no genetic or physical criteria by which those self-identifications can be overturned. And if you think they are wrong in that, I would love for you to come up with an objective way to classify people into races using physical and genetic criteria.





First you tell me that I have a poor understanding, then you just reiterate my position back to me. Which is it? Do you agree that Christianity can rightly be considered a race, regardless of DNA? Or do you disagree?

I should point out, incidentally, more for the sake of others reading this, that it wasn't only early Christians themselves who spoke of Christianity as a race or nation, in order to make some theological point that wouldn't make sense to outsiders. But Christianity's early detractors also sometimes spoke of it in those terms.

So, getting back to the question of the OP, if Christianity can reasonably be considered a race, regardless of DNA, why can't Islam?

One can self-identify themselves anyway they wish, erowe. I don't disagree with you that people can consider race as something other than their DNA, including how one acts and lives their life.

But when the Church Fathers use the term Christian race, it is with the thought of the normally understood idea.

A Christian can be said to be of the Christian race because of Holy Baptism, where they are physically transformed and reborn into the resurrected flesh of Christ. They are reborn into the life-giving and sinless flesh of Jesus Christ, into children of God. It is Christ's resurrected human nature (which includes His flesh) in which our own nature (and genetically-coded flesh) becomes a fruit on the vine and member of His divine body.

Does something happen in Islam whereby a person's genetic and physical flesh is transformed into one divine body and kingship through deified flesh?
 
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Does something happen in Islam whereby a person's genetic and physical flesh is transformed into one divine body and kingship through deified flesh?

I don't think so. But a Muslim might say it does.

Besides, in the case of the church fathers, when they call Christianity a race, or nation, they're not claiming that Christians' DNA has been changed. They had never heard of DNA. They simply didn't accept the notion that race or nationhood was solely determined by someone's ancestor, although that was one very important factor. And that was not a unique idea to them as Christians. Many other ancients were also more comfortable than you seem to be in emphasizing other indicia as the defining factors of a person's race, tribe, nation, etc.
 
I don't think so. But a Muslim might say it does.

Besides, in the case of the church fathers, when they call Christianity a race, or nation, they're not claiming that Christians' DNA has been changed. They had never heard of DNA. They simply didn't accept the notion that race or nationhood was solely determined by someone's ancestor, although that was one very important factor. And that was not a unique idea to them as Christians. Many other ancients were also more comfortable than you seem to be in emphasizing other indicia as the defining factors of a person's race, tribe, nation, etc.

We have mostly agreement with our understandings. I agree with you that there are older understandings of a person's race not being limited to one's lineage. But I would correct you that in most instances that I remember about the Church Fathers speaking about Christians being part of a race, it has usually been done to explain how the sacrament of Holy Baptism grants us rebirth as children of God and how Christ saves the human race. The Church Fathers speak that it is through taking upon ourselves Christ, that is, being 'clothed' by Him and reborn into Him which occurs at Holy Baptism. Not simply spiritually, but involving our own flesh. They did not know about DNA, but they rendered such things as meaningless compared to the mystery of our salvation in Christ or secondary in our recreation into His risen Body. Our race is what we are born into. Whether beyond our control in our birth, or by our faithful movement through the waters of Baptism, reborn anew.

I don't believe Islam has such a theological equivalent. Thus a Muslim may self-identify as being of the same race as all other Muslims, but it is an incomplete definition and lacks a great and important aspect of their being and ontology, - namely their human nature and flesh which God created good. Only Christ fulfills this. Only Christ has established salvation for man, which is not in parts, but whole and complete. Christians are a race not only because of the same Spirit, but also because of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.
 
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But I would correct you that in most instances that I remember about the Church Fathers speaking about Christians being part of a race, it has usually been done to explain how the sacrament of Holy Baptism grants us rebirth as children of God and how Christ saves the human race.

I am not in any position to say what most said. In my claim I was really just talking about some. And while there may have been some for whom that idea was essential to calling Christianity a race, there were certainly some for whom it was not, especially over the first two centuries.

I don't know of any equivalent for Islam either. But I was speaking hypothetically. I don't see why there can't be one.

Also, even though I don't think "Islam" is often thought of as an ethnic term, "Arab" definitely is. And one very important factor in someone sharing in that ethnic identity (though not a wholly determinative one) is their adherence to Islam. The religion of Islam and the race of Arab can't be easily disembedded from each other. You can catch the mixing of categories here whenever you encounter anyone saying that Muslims consider Ishmael their ancestor, as opposed to Isaac being the Jews'. This is today. Any more than several hundred years ago, and people pretty much never talked about "religion" and "race" as two separate group identities.
 
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This is a much more reasonable understanding of race than what you said earlier.

On your last line, the term "make up" is very ambiguous, and rightly so. What is a person's "make up"? And how does it come from their father? Of course, part of a person's make up is their DNA, and most people do get DNA from their fathers. But some people are adopted and get no DNA at all from their fathers. But those fathers who adopt and raise them still contribute a great deal to their "make up" and racial identities.

Mitochondrial DNA is inherited entirely from ones mother.

Maybe the Genes God uses to decide if you are predestined or not are stored there?
 
The Jews during Christ's first coming, from what I understand, considered circumcision as a holy transformation of the initiate into the race of the Jews. It was a physical sign of belonging to the same people, done through obedience and fulfillment of God's commandments into joining His people Israel and the race of the Jews.

Christ came to save the entire world, all nations, all races, all lineages and bloodlines. And it wasn't through an external physical sign which ultimately only leads to the grave as it did under the old covenant, but of a complete inner and ontological change of the man into the image of Jesus Christ. A rebirth of the flesh, mind, and spirit in the very risen flesh, mind, and spirit of the Son of Man Jesus Christ. Thus the race which is saved is not the specific human lineage or genetic traits we are born into, or which we self-identify with through external appearance or practices, but which is the flesh which is joined into the Life-giving Vine which is Jesus Christ through Holy Baptism. That is why the Apostles stressed its importance and the Fathers after them.
 
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Mitochondrial DNA is inherited entirely from ones mother.

Maybe the Genes God uses to decide if you are predestined or not are stored there?

I only said "father" because that's what the term used in the post I was replying to. Everything I said, I meant to apply to both mothers and fathers.
 
The Jews during Christ's first coming, from what I understand, considered circumcision as a holy transformation of the initiate into the race of the Jews.

That is another great example of the kind of permeability of racial categories that I've been talking about. Judeans were not alone among ancient people groups in seeing it that way.

Of course, despite this, practically speaking, for the great majority of people then and now, their racial or ethnic identities were determined at their birth and remained the same their whole lives.

It's just that noticing the counter-examples to that rule help us understand what those identities really consisted in.

And also, practically speaking, most Muslims had Muslim parents and will have Muslim children, and most Christians had Christian parents and will have Christian children (at least speaking in terms of group identities they ascribe for themselves and others ascribe to them). Moving into or out of either of these categories for most people who belong to them is usually a life-changing event that forever redefines how they see themselves. In these respects, these group identities are a lot like the ethnic group identify of "Judean" (or "Jew" to use the label you chose) around the time of Jesus.
 
I am not in any position to say what most said. In my claim I was really just talking about some. And while there may have been some for whom that idea was essential to calling Christianity a race, there were certainly some for whom it was not, especially over the first two centuries.

Could you provide some examples? I would be interested in seeing the context in which they were written

I don't know of any equivalent for Islam either. But I was speaking hypothetically. I don't see why there can't be one.

I would be very surprised if they had such an equivalent. Wouldn't you? I have never heard of such a thing but I am not an expert of Islam.

Also, even though I don't think "Islam" is often thought of as an ethnic term, "Arab" definitely is. And one very important factor in someone sharing in that ethnic identity (though not a wholly determinative one) is their adherence to Islam. The religion of Islam and the race of Arab can't be easily disembedded from each other. You can catch the mixing of categories here whenever you encounter anyone saying that Muslims consider Ishmael their ancestor, as opposed to Isaac being the Jews'. This is today. Any more than several hundred years ago, and people pretty much never talked about "religion" and "race" as two separate group identities.

I would agree that the term Arab has connotations with Islam, but that is because of modern western perspectives. For those who have lived in the Middle East over the past two millennia, I don't think it has such a string affiliation as we construct it to be in the US in the year 2015.

I would not agree fully with your last sentence, and would need more clarification to answer, but I have to get to bed! I leave you with the last word. Good night!
 
That is another great example of the kind of permeability of racial categories that I've been talking about. Judeans were not alone among ancient people groups in seeing it that way.

Of course, despite this, practically speaking, for the great majority of people then and now, their racial or ethnic identities were determined at their birth and remained the same their whole lives.

It's just that noticing the counter-examples to that rule help us understand what those identities really consisted in.

And also, practically speaking, most Muslims had Muslim parents and will have Muslim children, and most Christians had Christian parents and will have Christian children (at least speaking in terms of group identities they ascribe for themselves and others ascribe to them). Moving into or out of either of these categories for most people who belong to them is usually a life-changing event that forever redefines how they see themselves. In these respects, these group identities are a lot like the ethnic group identify of "Judean" (or "Jew" to use the label you chose) around the time of Jesus.

Before I go to bed, I would like to reply to this post to explain how to the Christian, there is no Greek or Jew, but only those being saved and those who are not. The circumsicion was a movement to union with the Jewish race as instructed by God's prophets, but it was incomplete in saving man, for the Jewish race was just like all the different races, born as children of Adam and inheriting the sinful condition of Adam's fallen nature. The races which developed in humankind's history, and the different genetic characterizations and lineage, were all infected with corruption, and so even the chosen people of God, even the greatest of them in the persons of the Prophets, ended up in the grave.

The divine plan of the Savior of mankind being born in the Jewish lineage and race was on account that He would be born with a lineage just as all men are born into. It was God's good will and wisdom to be incarnate through this nation and race, and so He did and fulfilled the prophecies which were revealed to His faithful and righteous prophets. Through providence and finally, through the obedience of His chosen vessel the Virgin Mary and the economy of the Holy Spirit, He was born into the Jewish race to paradoxically destroy the distinctions between humankind's categories of racial and familial lineage, and restore the human race back to the primordial and first condition: namely the death of the old man, full of sin, and born into death (no matter the personal lineage or DNA or external signs), and the birth of the new man, the condition and nature and race in which we were originally created for: as children of God and true human beings in the image of God. This has only been made possible by Jesus Christ, and for this reason every knee in heaven and earth will bow before Him on His return. The temporal and external human distinctions are healed through man's transformation in Jesus Christ, renewed, and ultimately, unified in one body by the divine workings of the Triune God in man's deification into adopted children and heirs of the Kingdom of Heaven.
 
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Could you provide some examples? I would be interested in seeing the context in which they were written

Notice in the Book of the Laws of the Countries, by Bardaisan, he distinguishes all the countries according to the laws their people follow: the laws of the Seres, the laws of the Brahmans, the laws of others in Indian, the laws of the Persions, the laws of the Bactrians, the laws of the Geli, the laws of the Racami, the laws of the Hatra, the laws of the Britons, the laws of the Parthians, and the laws of the Amazons. He then goes on to talk about the Jews and their laws. And in their case he emphasizes that they comprise a country that is not located in any one place, but that Jew, whether they be in Parthia, Arabia, or any other country, still belong to their own country according to their pursuance of the laws that make Jews Jews. And then finally, he gets to Christians and says the following (and more beyond this which I won't copy):
And what shall we say of the new race of us Christians, whom Christ at His advent planted in every country and in every region? For, lo! Wherever we are, we are all called after the one name of Christ— Christians. On one day, the first of the week, we assemble ourselves together, and on the days of the readings we abstain from taking sustenance. The brethren who are in Gaul do not take males for wives, nor those who are in Parthia two wives; nor do those who are in Judæa circumcise themselves; nor do our sisters who are among the Geli consort with strangers; nor do those brethren who are in Persia take their daughters for wives; nor do those who are in Media abandon their dead, or bury them alive, or give them as food to the dogs; nor do those who are in Edessa kill their wives or their sisters when they commit impurity, but they withdraw from them, and give them over to the judgment of God; nor do those who are in Hatra stone thieves to death; but, wherever they are, and in whatever place they are found, the laws of the several countries do not hinder them from obeying the law of their Sovereign, Christ; nor does the Fate of the celestial Governors compel them to make use of things which they regard as impure.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0862.htm

Consider a similar description of Christians given in the anonymous Epistle to Diognetus. Here the author does not call Christianity a race or nation. But he compares it to races and nations and struggles to classify it. I think the closest he comes is in regarding Christians as citizens of Heaven (which goes back to the apostles):
For the Christians are distinguished from other men neither by country, nor language, nor the customs which they observe. For they neither inhabit cities of their own, nor employ a peculiar form of speech, nor lead a life which is marked out by any singularity. The course of conduct which they follow has not been devised by any speculation or deliberation of inquisitive men; nor do they, like some, proclaim themselves the advocates of any merely human doctrines. But, inhabiting Greek as well as barbarian cities, according as the lot of each of them has determined, and following the customs of the natives in respect to clothing, food, and the rest of their ordinary conduct, they display to us their wonderful and confessedly striking method of life. They dwell in their own countries, but simply as sojourners. As citizens, they share in all things with others, and yet endure all things as if foreigners. Every foreign land is to them as their native country, and every land of their birth as a land of strangers. They marry, as do all [others]; they beget children; but they do not destroy their offspring. They have a common table, but not a common bed. They are in the flesh, but they do not live after the flesh. They pass their days on earth, but they are citizens of heaven. They obey the prescribed laws, and at the same time surpass the laws by their lives. They love all men, and are persecuted by all. They are unknown and condemned; they are put to death, and restored to life. They are poor, yet make many rich; they are in lack of all things, and yet abound in all; they are dishonoured, and yet in their very dishonour are glorified. They are evil spoken of, and yet are justified; they are reviled, and bless; they are insulted, and repay the insult with honour; they do good, yet are punished as evil-doers. When punished, they rejoice as if quickened into life; they are assailed by the Jews as foreigners, and are persecuted by the Greeks; yet those who hate them are unable to assign any reason for their hatred.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0101.htm

Here is the Apology of Aristides, categorizing Christians alongside Jews, Barbarians, and Greeks, again using lifestyle as the determinative factor of one's identity:
This is clear to you, O King, that there are four classes of men in this world:— Barbarians and Greeks, Jews and Christians. The Barbarians, indeed, trace the origin of their kind of religion from Kronos and from Rhea and their other gods; the Greeks, however, from Helenos, who is said to be sprung from Zeus. And by Helenos there were born Aiolos and Xuthos; and there were others descended from Inachos and Phoroneus, and lastly from the Egyptian Danaos and from Kadmos and from Dionysos.

The Jews, again, trace the origin of their race from Abraham, who begot Isaac, of whom was born Jacob. And he begot twelve sons who migrated from Syria to Egypt; and there they were called the nation of the Hebrews, by him who made their laws; and at length they were named Jews.

The Christians, then, trace the beginning of their religion from Jesus the Messiah; and he is named the Son of God Most High. And it is said that God came down from heaven, and from a Hebrew virgin assumed and clothed himself with flesh; and the Son of God lived in a daughter of man. This is taught in the gospel, as it is called, which a short time ago was preached among them; and you also if you will read therein, may perceive the power which belongs to it. This Jesus, then, was born of the race of the Hebrews; and he had twelve disciples in order that the purpose of his incarnation might in time be accomplished. But he himself was pierced by the Jews, and he died and was buried; and they say that after three days he rose and ascended to heaven. Thereupon these twelve disciples went forth throughout the known parts of the world, and kept showing his greatness with all modesty and uprightness. And hence also those of the present day who believe that preaching are called Christians, and they have become famous.

So then there are, as I said above, four classes of men:— Barbarians and Greeks, Jews and Christians.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1012.htm

Now alongside these, consider the myth about the origin of the ethnicity of the Latins as told by Dionysius of Halicarnasus, a Greek who lived shortly before the time of Jesus:
60 1 After the Trojans' city was built all were extremely desirous of enjoying the mutual benefit of their new alliance. And their kings setting the example, united the excellence of the two races, the native and the foreign, by ties of marriage, Latinus giving his daughter Lavinia to Aeneas. 2 Thereupon the rest also conceived the same desire as their kings; and combining in a very brief time their customs, laws and religious ceremonies, forming ties through intermarriages and becoming mingled together in the wars they jointly waged, p201and all calling themselves by the common name of Latins, after the king of the Aborigines, they adhered so firmly to their pact that no lapse of time has yet severed them from one another.

3 The nations, therefore, which came together and shared in a common life and from which the Roman people derived their origin before the city they now inhabit was built, are these: first, the Aborigines, who drove the Sicels out of these parts and were originally Greeks from the Peloponnesus, the same who with Oenotrus removed from the country now called Arcadia, according to my opinion; then, the Pelasgians, who came from Haemonia, as it was then called, but now Thessaly; third, those who came into Italy with Evander from the city of Pallantium; after them the Epeans and Pheneats, who were part of the Peloponnesian army commanded by Hercules, with whom a Trojan element also was commingled; and, last of all, the Trojans who had escaped with Aeneas from Ilium, Dardanus and the other Trojan cities.
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Dionysius_of_Halicarnassus/1C*.html

In the view of Dionysius, all of these people were previously from different ethnicities until they joined themselves together in this new ethnicity, named after an important founding figure. And they maintained this new identity over ensuing generations for centuries through the adoption of a set of laws and customs that would distinguish them from others.

And now, step back from those early Christians, or sideways from Dionysius, over to the apostles of Christianity's first generation, and see how they helped craft this new people group. Notice how Peter so freely uses language that formerly applied to the nation of Israel to speak of the Church, inclusive of gentiles (1 Peter 2:9):
But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
Notice the three groups into which Paul divides the world (1 Corinthians 10:32):
Give no offense, either to the Jews or to the Greeks or to the church of God,

And finally, consider Paul's two uses of the phrase "new man" (or "new humanity") in Ephesians (2:14-16 and 4:24):
14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.
20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.

If I am right that Paul means the same thing by "new man" in 4:24 that he does in 2:15 (i.e. a "new human race" rather than a "new self"), then it's striking how well his conception of the Church aligns with Dionysius of Halicarnasus' conception of the formation of the Latin ethnicity.

Finally, also notice that the earliest non-Christian writer that we know of to refer to Christianity, Josephus, calls it "the tribe of the Christians" (Ant. 18.3.3). And a 4th century work claims to copy a letter written by Emperor Hadrian (so, if authentic, it reflects a view of Christians by an outsider early in the 2nd century), which says, "[Egyptians] only god is money, and this the Christians, the Jews, and, in fact, all nations adore." Notice, again, how Christians are grouped by this detractor alongside Egyptians, Jews, and all nations.
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Historia_Augusta/Firmus_et_al*.html
 
Thank you for the informative post. Much to think about! And now, to bed for me! :)
 
I would agree that the term Arab has connotations with Islam, but that is because of modern western perspectives. For those who have lived in the Middle East over the past two millennia, I don't think it has such a string affiliation as we construct it to be in the US in the year 2015.

I disagree. For most Arabs themselves, Arab identity and Islamic identity are hard to separate. See, for example, some of the cases on p. 139 of this book. I also recall quote from a white American Muslim on his Hajj (so not an American who was caricaturing Islam and Arabs out of prejudice) saying in a documentary something like, "Everyone here at Mecca, regardless where we came from, are Arabs now." Arabic is the language of the Qur'an, a holy language in Islam. And language is another major factor in someone's racial or ethnic identity.
 
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