Islam is not a RACE

[erowe1]

I'm interested in seeing a breakdown of that poll by age groups as well. I think guys coming here (who tend to be older than ones born here) are more Mohammedan than Muslim and the ones born and raised here are the reverse.

I'm skeptical about that particular poll. I don't think Wenzel is a reputable polling company. But most of the other polls listed are.

What do you mean by Mohammedan?

 

[H. E. Panqui]

...reality check for republicrat 'judeo-christains':

...reality reveals oreich's [admittedly racist] jews and their 'christian' stooges as the world champions of terror, etc. filth galore....

"Every national church or religion has established itself by pretending some special mission from God, communicated to certain individuals. The Jews have their Moses; the Christians their Jesus Christ, their apostles and saints; and the Turks their Mahomet, as if the way to God was not open to every man alike.

Each of those churches show certain books, which they call revelation, or the word of God. The Jews say, that their word of God was given by God to Moses, face to face; the Christians say, that their word of God came by divine inspiration: and the Turks say, that their word of God (the Koran) was brought by an angel from Heaven. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all." (t. paine)

 

[pcosmar]

Here is some more. This is from Tertullian, so again, pretty early in Christian history, only slightly later than the sources i mentioned above. Here he talks about opponents of Christians calling Christianity the third race:

So do you ascribe to this drivel? or are you just posting it for academic argument?

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Whether he's a Muslim or not, he's obviously not a Christian. His claiming to be one means nothing.

Obama claimed to be Christian on national TV but his dad and other family are muslims.
60% of GOP seeing him as muslim means heredity/race is dominant part in this dynamic.

Poll: 60 percent of Trump supporters believe Obama is Muslim
By Brenda Gazzar, Los Angeles Daily News
Posted: 12/22/15, 12:53 PM PST

Sixty percent of Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump’s supporters believe President Barack Obama is Muslim and only 6 percent believe he is Christian, according to a new poll.
http://www.dailynews.com/government...t-of-trump-supporters-believe-obama-is-muslim


Edited to add:
In a political frame like the one being constructed by Trump, the definition of "Muslim" becomes "foreign/very different/not belonging/invader" etc and not any particular spirtual beliefs.
In that sense, Mexicans are also "Muslims". And Obama is the Ultimate Muslim.
By same definition, Trump could be an atheist and worship gods of gambling casinos but would still be a "Christian" for all political purposes.

 

[orafi]

I'm skeptical about that particular poll. I don't think Wenzel is a reputable polling company. But most of the other polls listed are.

What do you mean by Mohammedan?

This is a simplified way to put it... There are two major branches of Islam (in ways of interpreting it not necessarily population of adherents):

Those Muslims who believe in the Quran only and those who believe in the Quran and the Hadith/Sunnah. The Hadith and Sunnah are fabrications of man and the Quran is the creation of God. The Hadith and Sunnah are characteristics and events attributed to the Prophet. They contradict the Quran in many ways. Most Muslims believe in these books. To take Mohammad as a role model is OK in my book, but most borderline worship him alongside God. And if you were to uncynically take every word in these fabrications for granted without question, you will have your rapists/pedophiles/terrorists as folks like Liberty Eagle would remind you. (And no, Mohammad was not any of those things).

Take for example the Shahada (profession of faith). In the Quran you will only find La Illaha Illa la (There is no god but God) and in the fabrications you will find La Illaha Illala Mohamaddur Russullah (There is no god but God and Mohammad is His messenger). Understand the significance?

I believe that Islam means to submit to God and God alone and His Word.

Not to any other idols, like the Hadith or Mohammad.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Oh, if you ask Christians whether they support the Constitution, I imagine the vast majority would say yes. But their voting behavior demonstrates that either they don't understand what the Constitution says, or they don't support it, since they consistently vote for candidates who propose to create/retain unconstitutional programs.

In 2012, about 2% of the electorate voted for candidates whose platforms were consistent with the Constitution, either in the primaries or the general.*

Ron got about 1% in the GOP primaries, the LP got about 1% in the general.

That's it; everyone else voted for (massively, laughably) unconstitutional policies.

*this is assuming no overlap between RP primary voters and GJ general election voters; they're probably the same people, which makes it 1% overall.

Did Ron get as low as 1% in any state in the 2012 GOP primary, let alone as his average rate of all states?

 

[Harmonica]

You just started here 2 days ago, and your done... LOL BYE BYE.





Hmmmm.... nope. I do not wish to waste my time with either endeavor. LOL.

You're completely ignoring all of my refutes against you.

Mostly because you know you're wrong.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Did Ron get as low as 1% in any state in the 2012 GOP primary, let alone as his average rate of all states?

2 million people voted for Ron in primaries.

127 million voted in the general

2/127 = 1.5%

 

[Ender]

"The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter."

OK, here's something; you give me each verse of those 109 verses so that I reply to each of them. The issue that is up with those verses is the context of the revelation.
For example, the "strike to their necks" verse is inspired to the Prophet before the first battle of Badr to motivate the Muslims before the battle.



Yes, they're hypocrites and collaborators with the enemy if they don't join the Jihad to defend their faith and their land from foreign attackers. Military service in the Islamic State (again, I'm not referring to ISIL) is not compulsory unless it's in case of defense against foreign invasion (refer to the first Sassanid-Rashidun war).
The "hypocrite" term is the equivalent for the modern-day "traitor" and "betrayer of the nation" in all modern states. You can begin with the American conscripts who were labelled as traitors when they refused to go on an offensive war in Vietnam.



I beg you to read the peaceful side of the Qur'an. 109 verses of violence in the Qur'an are roughly the half of 245 peaceful verses of the Holy Book.
LOL, come on, man, I thought you knew better.
“God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you in the religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just.” (Surat al-Mumtahana

I read the Qur'an before 911 hit and it became part of the pop culture to hate Muslims- I was very impressed with it. The Qur'an is much less violent than the OT and Mohammad taught all to love the Children of the Book, which were the Christians and the Jews. I have no hate for Muslims and feel that they have become the persecuted Jews of the 21st century.

And I am a Christian Minister.

 

[Ender]

I've said it before, but it's worth repeating:

I, or most everybody here for that matter, has almost zero chance of being harmed by ululating Jihadists storming your home at oh dark thirty, killing your pets, beating your wife, tasering and torturing you and then dragging you off to confinement.

The chances of the local, state and federal police doing that same thing to you, on the other hand...

AMEN.

I'D REP YOU, BUT I'M OUT.

 

[Yieu]

I read the Qur'an before 911 hit and it became part of the pop culture to hate Muslims- I was very impressed with it. The Qur'an is much less violent than the OT and Mohammad taught all to love the Children of the Book, which were the Christians and the Jews. I have no hate for Muslims and feel that they have become the persecuted Jews of the 21st century.

And I am a Christian Minister.

This attitude shows a sincere love for God.

AMEN.

I'D REP YOU, BUT I'M OUT.

I was going to say I've got you covered, but looks like I already did. "You cannot give Reputation to the same post twice."

 

[erowe1]

So do you ascribe to this drivel? or are you just posting it for academic argument?

I wouldn't say I subscribe to it. But I think it's just as reasonable of a way to understand race as any other, and more reasonable than a primordialst view. There's no reason Christianity or Islam can't be looked as as races, nor is there any reason to distinguish race and religion as two essentially different ways to grouping people together.

 

[erowe1]

Obama claimed to be Christian on national TV but his dad and other family are muslims.
60% of GOP seeing him as muslim means heredity/race is dominant part in this dynamic.

It might mean that. But what I have noticed as the more important factor in bolstering that opinion is the fact that every time Obama talks about Islam, he does it in glowing reverential terms, and every time he talks about Christianity he belittles it.

 

[Pericles]

I've said it before, but it's worth repeating:

I, or most everybody here for that matter, has almost zero chance of being harmed by ululating Jihadists storming your home at oh dark thirty, killing your pets, beating your wife, tasering and torturing you and then dragging you off to confinement.

The chances of the local, state and federal police doing that same thing to you, on the other hand...

And if I hit those long odds, I can shoot back in case of jihad.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

2 million people voted for Ron in primaries.

127 million voted in the general

2/127 = 1.5%

fully 3/4 of the people who claimed they supported Ron Paul did not bother to show up for the Primaries, and you simply cannot make such judgments with an utter lack of evidence. What evidence we do have, polling that showed Ron Paul doing better against Obama than the rest of the GOP field, points in a completely different direction than the implication here.

Ron Paul got.... I think 12% in NC's primary in 2012?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

fully 3/4 of the people who claimed they supported Ron Paul did not bother to show up for the Primaries, and you simply cannot make such judgments with an utter lack of evidence. What evidence we do have, polling that showed Ron Paul doing better against Obama than the rest of the GOP field, points in a completely different direction than the implication here.

Ron Paul got.... I think 12% in NC's primary in 2012?

I'm not sure what you mean Gunny.

I'm not speculating here.

It's a fact that ~1.5% of the US electorate (defined as the number of people who voted in the general election), cast a vote for Ron Paul.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I'm not sure what you mean Gunny.

I'm not speculating here.

It's a fact that ~1.5% of the US electorate (defined as the number of people who voted in the general election), cast a vote for Ron Paul.

The electorate is not the number of people who vote in a general. Only half of the electorate usually show up in a general. By that same token you could argue that nearly every President ever elected only ever got about 20% of the electorate. It's just not a meaningful calculation unless you are pointing specifically to poor turnout. Regardless, you cannot make any assumptions about performance in a General election based on performance in a Primary.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

In 2012, 129,235,000 people voted out of an eligible voting age population of 235,248,000. Barack Obama received 59,800,000 votes in 2012, meaning Obama only received votes from 25.4% of eligible voters. And yet he was reelected President.

 

[DamianTV]

fully 3/4 of the people who claimed they supported Ron Paul did not bother to show up for the Primaries, and you simply cannot make such judgments with an utter lack of evidence. What evidence we do have, polling that showed Ron Paul doing better against Obama than the rest of the GOP field, points in a completely different direction than the implication here.

Ron Paul got.... I think 12% in NC's primary in 2012?

I did show up to the elections in Nevadas Primaries, and could post links to threads to prove it. Hell, I was even a State Delegate! Not a National Delegate, but a State, and here, Ron had 25 of the 27 delegates. That was 2012. 2008 election was different, the GOP literally shut us down and walked out, but come to find out a year after the elections, Ron had all the Delegates thus far counted and those votes were silenced. Slightly off topic but it does prove that he who votes has no power, yet, he who counts the votes has ALL the power.

Elections are Corrupt.

As such, Ron probably never stood a chance. In a fair election, he would have won, what we have today is only the Illusion of Democracy.

 

[Keith and stuff]

The is only one true human race - the human race. However, if you want to break it down further, you could say there are three or four races. There are lots of Muslims from three of those sub-groups. So, even if you believe the three or four race theory as opposed to the one race theory, Muslims are widely divided among the three major sub-groups.