Islam is not a RACE
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Here's the BBC defaming former Muslims, and critics of Islam, as bigots who simply hate Muslims. What else do people need to realize that the left is just a bunch of fascists who use bullshit accusations of bigotry to silence criticism? If you can't handle criticism, just demonize the speaker.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/maryamnamazie/2015/11/29/bbc-exmuslimbecause/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...st-ex-muslims-islamophobic-defends-islamists/
I have no problem with criticism of Israel, I myself have condemned Israel's past genocide and ethnic cleansing, but its comparable to states at war in general. There are many libertarians here who don't merely criticize Israel, they pile on Israel and ignore Muslim crimes against Israel, or explicitly endorse Palestine, which promises to kill all the Jews. There are leftists and libertarians who accuse Israel of genocide because of 2,000 ppl killed by Israeli airstrikes in one month, when Palestine was openly and honestly firing thousands of Iranian rockets from hospitals, schools and apartment buildings, and telling their people to get themselves killed for religious martyrdom and political propaganda. There is not a country on Earth that would allow rockets to be fired into their territory, but when Israel destroys the rocket launchers, people condemn Israel, and act like there's a magical way to destroy a rocket launcher inside of a building without destroying the building. When people say Israel/Zionism is illegal (which it is), but refuse to similarly condemn Palestine/Sharia law (which is far worse), they're singling out Jews, and effectively telling them to surrender to Palestine's authority, even though Palestine literally promises to kill all the Jews. Just like when ppl say "Israel stole the land," a simplistic, absurd and false generalization which ignores: 1. the fact that Muslims kicked out far more Jews during the exact same 30 year period (and they weren't being invaded by each of their neighbors promising to kick out all their Muslims when they did this), and 2. the fact that Muslims invaded Israel (and promised to kick out or kill all of its Jews) before Israel kicked out Muslims during the Muslim invasion. People ignore and downplay all Muslim violence in order to peddle the anti-Western lie that the West is responsible for everything, and Islam was innocent and happy and perfect before we corrupted them.
But you ignore the point I was making: whether or not this is due to religious extremism. I agree that most Americans reject the constitution, but when you or I say that, people don't accuse us of being bigoted against Christians. When people talk about Islamic extremism, we're called bigots. You know how leftists call constitutionalists bigots because we don't think the federal government has the authority to tell private businesses not to discriminate? Well those are the same dishonest, fascist leftists who call people bigots for criticizing Islamism/Sharia law.
There are leftists and libertarians who accuse Israel of genocide because of 2,000 ppl killed by Israeli airstrikes in one month, when Palestine was openly and honestly firing thousands of Iranian rockets from hospitals, schools and apartment buildings, and telling their people to get themselves killed for religious martyrdom and political propaganda. There is not a country on Earth that would allow rockets to be fired into their territory, but when Israel destroys the rocket launchers, people condemn Israel, and act like there's a magical way to destroy a rocket launcher inside of a building without destroying the building. Furthermore, enhanced_deficit starts a ridiculous amount of threads demonizing Israel, accusing them of being behind ISIS and the Paris attacks, and he openly calls for the bloody, violent expulsion of million of innocent Jews; he's not unique, this is the same radical ideology espoused by many Muslims and their radical antiwar sympathizers that demonize the West and/or Israel specifically. When people condemn Israel for destroying a rocket launcher, and simply ignore the fact that Palestine is attacking them, they're telling Israel to lay down and die. When people condemn Israel for building a security barrier, when this is the only thing that ended the massive wave of suicide bombings (sent from Palestine by Palestine's government) that killed 700 civilians from 2000-2005, but refuse to simply condemn Palestine for trying to kill every Jew, they're telling Israelis to lay down and die.
In fact, in this very post, you conclude with "Hell, you could even ask for volunteers to join you. Imagine all of the blood you could spill." You blatantly act like everything Israel does is just bloodthirsty, hateful killing, as if I celebrate the death of innocent people. You prove my point.
You repeatedly ask me to answer questions which I already answered; here, you AGAIN ask me why I think Obama is an anti-Semite. You even quote me answering this very same question, but purposely delete the rest of my post, so you can then pretend that you don't know my answer. But I love repeating myself, so here's how I responded to your question before:
"Yes, Barack Obama is an anti-Semite. He supports Affirmative Action, which makes it so Jews have a harder chance of getting into college than the other 90% of Americans, that's anti-Semitism. Furthermore, when the Charlie Hebdo terrorists (or terrorists on the same day as the Hebdo attacks, w/e) murdered four ppl at a Kosher supermarket, Barack Obama said they weren't targeting Jews, when they obviously were. Because in order to deny Islamic extremism and be politically correct, he has to throw Jews under the bus. Maybe he's just a tiny bit of an anti-Semite, I'm not saying he spreads nasty lies that Israel controls ISIS or anything like that (like yourself), but he's an anti-Semite for sure."
Feel free to ask me this question for the third time, I love repeating myself.
You openly support the violent, bloody expulsion of millions of people simply because they're Jewish, then demonize Israel for defending itself from the violent attacks that you yourself support. You accuse Israel of being behind ISIS and the Paris attacks, ignoring the fact that ISIS splintered from al-Qaida, and al-Qaida splintered from the Muslim Brotherhood, the biggest and first Islamist terrorist group (which calls for a global caliphate, but in the long-term) which even Hamas is an official member of. You're a bigot, but I'm grateful for your endless ranting on RPF about Israel, because you legitimately represent the Islamist movement to kill or expel every Jew. The people here who solely criticize Israel while calling for peace and equality are naive about this conflict, thinking that Palestine wants peace, when they actually want genocide and Sharia law. But thanks to you honesty, enhanced_deficit, you educate RPFers about the true, evil nature of the anti-Israel movement: its a movement that calls for the expulsion or killing of millions of Jews.
You blame everything on Israel, yet you advocate for the violent, coercive, physical, bloody, statist expulsion of millions of innocent Jewish men, women and children from Israel. You find a way to blame anything Muslims do on Israel, yet you describe Jewish children walking down the sidewalk as criminals for being in the country they were born in. What if an 8 year old is the great granddaughter of Jews kicked out of the Islamic State (it was called Syria and Iraq all the way back then), should Palestinian soldiers physically take control of the 8 year old girl and stick her on a plane to the Islamic State? Half of Israel's Jews are refugees or descendants of refugees from Muslim countries, like the Islamic State.
And what about the Muslims moving to Israel/Palestine in the same time period? Should they be expelled? Or is it just the Jews?
Oh and your refugee numbers are totally wrong; Muslims kicked out more Jews (stealing more land) over the exact same time period, but the UN (and its 40 Muslim dictators whining for Israel's destruction, like you) defines anyone born to Palestinian refugees as refugees, so the number grows and grows for all eternity. The UN doesn't count children born to Jewish refugees (or anyone else) in the same way, because there aren't 40 Jewish dictators in the UN calling for the destruction of every Muslim state.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/maryamnamazie/2015/11/29/bbc-exmuslimbecause/
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...st-ex-muslims-islamophobic-defends-islamists/
I have no problem with criticism of Israel, I myself have condemned Israel's past genocide and ethnic cleansing, but its comparable to states at war in general. There are many libertarians here who don't merely criticize Israel, they pile on Israel and ignore Muslim crimes against Israel, or explicitly endorse Palestine, which promises to kill all the Jews. There are leftists and libertarians who accuse Israel of genocide because of 2,000 ppl killed by Israeli airstrikes in one month, when Palestine was openly and honestly firing thousands of Iranian rockets from hospitals, schools and apartment buildings, and telling their people to get themselves killed for religious martyrdom and political propaganda. There is not a country on Earth that would allow rockets to be fired into their territory, but when Israel destroys the rocket launchers, people condemn Israel, and act like there's a magical way to destroy a rocket launcher inside of a building without destroying the building. When people say Israel/Zionism is illegal (which it is), but refuse to similarly condemn Palestine/Sharia law (which is far worse), they're singling out Jews, and effectively telling them to surrender to Palestine's authority, even though Palestine literally promises to kill all the Jews. Just like when ppl say "Israel stole the land," a simplistic, absurd and false generalization which ignores: 1. the fact that Muslims kicked out far more Jews during the exact same 30 year period (and they weren't being invaded by each of their neighbors promising to kick out all their Muslims when they did this), and 2. the fact that Muslims invaded Israel (and promised to kick out or kill all of its Jews) before Israel kicked out Muslims during the Muslim invasion. People ignore and downplay all Muslim violence in order to peddle the anti-Western lie that the West is responsible for everything, and Islam was innocent and happy and perfect before we corrupted them.
But you ignore the point I was making: whether or not this is due to religious extremism. I agree that most Americans reject the constitution, but when you or I say that, people don't accuse us of being bigoted against Christians. When people talk about Islamic extremism, we're called bigots. You know how leftists call constitutionalists bigots because we don't think the federal government has the authority to tell private businesses not to discriminate? Well those are the same dishonest, fascist leftists who call people bigots for criticizing Islamism/Sharia law.
There are leftists and libertarians who accuse Israel of genocide because of 2,000 ppl killed by Israeli airstrikes in one month, when Palestine was openly and honestly firing thousands of Iranian rockets from hospitals, schools and apartment buildings, and telling their people to get themselves killed for religious martyrdom and political propaganda. There is not a country on Earth that would allow rockets to be fired into their territory, but when Israel destroys the rocket launchers, people condemn Israel, and act like there's a magical way to destroy a rocket launcher inside of a building without destroying the building. Furthermore, enhanced_deficit starts a ridiculous amount of threads demonizing Israel, accusing them of being behind ISIS and the Paris attacks, and he openly calls for the bloody, violent expulsion of million of innocent Jews; he's not unique, this is the same radical ideology espoused by many Muslims and their radical antiwar sympathizers that demonize the West and/or Israel specifically. When people condemn Israel for destroying a rocket launcher, and simply ignore the fact that Palestine is attacking them, they're telling Israel to lay down and die. When people condemn Israel for building a security barrier, when this is the only thing that ended the massive wave of suicide bombings (sent from Palestine by Palestine's government) that killed 700 civilians from 2000-2005, but refuse to simply condemn Palestine for trying to kill every Jew, they're telling Israelis to lay down and die.
In fact, in this very post, you conclude with "Hell, you could even ask for volunteers to join you. Imagine all of the blood you could spill." You blatantly act like everything Israel does is just bloodthirsty, hateful killing, as if I celebrate the death of innocent people. You prove my point.
You repeatedly ask me to answer questions which I already answered; here, you AGAIN ask me why I think Obama is an anti-Semite. You even quote me answering this very same question, but purposely delete the rest of my post, so you can then pretend that you don't know my answer. But I love repeating myself, so here's how I responded to your question before:
"Yes, Barack Obama is an anti-Semite. He supports Affirmative Action, which makes it so Jews have a harder chance of getting into college than the other 90% of Americans, that's anti-Semitism. Furthermore, when the Charlie Hebdo terrorists (or terrorists on the same day as the Hebdo attacks, w/e) murdered four ppl at a Kosher supermarket, Barack Obama said they weren't targeting Jews, when they obviously were. Because in order to deny Islamic extremism and be politically correct, he has to throw Jews under the bus. Maybe he's just a tiny bit of an anti-Semite, I'm not saying he spreads nasty lies that Israel controls ISIS or anything like that (like yourself), but he's an anti-Semite for sure."
Feel free to ask me this question for the third time, I love repeating myself.
You openly support the violent, bloody expulsion of millions of people simply because they're Jewish, then demonize Israel for defending itself from the violent attacks that you yourself support. You accuse Israel of being behind ISIS and the Paris attacks, ignoring the fact that ISIS splintered from al-Qaida, and al-Qaida splintered from the Muslim Brotherhood, the biggest and first Islamist terrorist group (which calls for a global caliphate, but in the long-term) which even Hamas is an official member of. You're a bigot, but I'm grateful for your endless ranting on RPF about Israel, because you legitimately represent the Islamist movement to kill or expel every Jew. The people here who solely criticize Israel while calling for peace and equality are naive about this conflict, thinking that Palestine wants peace, when they actually want genocide and Sharia law. But thanks to you honesty, enhanced_deficit, you educate RPFers about the true, evil nature of the anti-Israel movement: its a movement that calls for the expulsion or killing of millions of Jews.
You blame everything on Israel, yet you advocate for the violent, coercive, physical, bloody, statist expulsion of millions of innocent Jewish men, women and children from Israel. You find a way to blame anything Muslims do on Israel, yet you describe Jewish children walking down the sidewalk as criminals for being in the country they were born in. What if an 8 year old is the great granddaughter of Jews kicked out of the Islamic State (it was called Syria and Iraq all the way back then), should Palestinian soldiers physically take control of the 8 year old girl and stick her on a plane to the Islamic State? Half of Israel's Jews are refugees or descendants of refugees from Muslim countries, like the Islamic State.
And what about the Muslims moving to Israel/Palestine in the same time period? Should they be expelled? Or is it just the Jews?
Oh and your refugee numbers are totally wrong; Muslims kicked out more Jews (stealing more land) over the exact same time period, but the UN (and its 40 Muslim dictators whining for Israel's destruction, like you) defines anyone born to Palestinian refugees as refugees, so the number grows and grows for all eternity. The UN doesn't count children born to Jewish refugees (or anyone else) in the same way, because there aren't 40 Jewish dictators in the UN calling for the destruction of every Muslim state.
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DamianTV
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People do NOT have the ability to choose their ethnicity.
We can have White Americans, Black Americans, Hispanic Americans, Oriental Americans, etc. In every other culture, same thing happens. You can have a person born in Iran who has Japanese herritage. You can have Arabic Mexicans, and Indian Peruvians from India, not Native American, but its not mutually exclusive either. Any combination of place of birth and herritage is possible. Russian born Irish, and British born Chinese.
People dont have a choice over their heritage, or place of birth, date of birth, their name, who their parents are, and a plethora of things that are far too often used to divide natural groups of people.
What people DO have a choice over is how they decide to treat each other. Those are the things about people that are worth focusing on, and used to encourage the best in each other.
We can have White Americans, Black Americans, Hispanic Americans, Oriental Americans, etc. In every other culture, same thing happens. You can have a person born in Iran who has Japanese herritage. You can have Arabic Mexicans, and Indian Peruvians from India, not Native American, but its not mutually exclusive either. Any combination of place of birth and herritage is possible. Russian born Irish, and British born Chinese.
People dont have a choice over their heritage, or place of birth, date of birth, their name, who their parents are, and a plethora of things that are far too often used to divide natural groups of people.
What people DO have a choice over is how they decide to treat each other. Those are the things about people that are worth focusing on, and used to encourage the best in each other.
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LibertyEagle
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"Muslim" is not an ethnicity.
No, it's not. But bigotry towards another for their faith shares something with racism: prejudicial hate.
Racism is a subset of prejudice.
It doesn't make all prejudice racism.
Its not racist to be islamaphobic, it just makes you a dick.
I did not call it racism. While it is not "racism", it is very much like racism in the way that I described above, which is why people make the comparison.
There currently isn't a word for hatred based on one's faith. The way I described religious intolerance above is the closest that fits the description.
Yes, and while I am not an Islamic scholar, it is my current understanding that not all Islamic people believe that. So it might be better to specify those people rather than including the entire group.
I think that ahimsa or non-violence for all species is one of the highest religious ideals, so I do think such violence as you describe is against religious principles.
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Depends on how one defines "race", eh what?
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I didn't mention Islam in my last post.
I didn't notice at the time, however what I said would apply to any faith. And my comment was more about how other people do lump all Muslims in with terrorists.
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It is a faith. But as in America Islam historically has been disproportinally more popular among African-Americans than White Americans (for reasons that we may not know), it is possible that many Americans - especially older gen - may to some degreee link "muslim" to "black".
There is still probably a significant size of White Christian demographic in the US that does not see many Black Churches following same ideology as them.
There are quite a few high profile African-Americans who are seen as muslim by American population and that probably impacts their mental associations relating to religion-race.
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So. Why can't ideology be a factor in racial identity?
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An individual Muslim will be judged for his individual actions and the condition of their heart. A religion will be judged for its teachings and the fruits of its teachings. One can judge the religion a person is characterized with without judging the person's eternal judgement. God alone knows what is really in the heart of the person. God alone will judge at the end.
There should be no racism in any religion whose aim is divine truth and goodness. There should no nationalism when one's true home is with God in the Kingdom of Heaven.
There should be no racism in any religion whose aim is divine truth and goodness. There should no nationalism when one's true home is with God in the Kingdom of Heaven.
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That seems like pretty important ground to cover when making claims like the OP. It appeared to me that the woman in the video presupposed a primordialist view and has never bothers to question it.
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This claim too is not so black and white.
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I've said it before, but it's worth repeating:
I, or most everybody here for that matter, has almost zero chance of being harmed by ululating Jihadists storming your home at oh dark thirty, killing your pets, beating your wife, tasering and torturing you and then dragging you off to confinement.
The chances of the local, state and federal police doing that same thing to you, on the other hand...
I, or most everybody here for that matter, has almost zero chance of being harmed by ululating Jihadists storming your home at oh dark thirty, killing your pets, beating your wife, tasering and torturing you and then dragging you off to confinement.
The chances of the local, state and federal police doing that same thing to you, on the other hand...
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