Iowa Caucuses Return Watching - OFFICIAL THREAD!!! (1/3/12)

NoPants said:
We just experienced the high point of the "Santorum Surge", now we get to watch the "Santorum Slide". He's got nowhere to go but down.
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Tonight is the crest of the Santorum campaign. He's now outlived his usefulness to the media.

Santorum will be getting slaughtered in less than a week.
 
Challenge Other Candidates to one on one debate on foreign policy

Ron Paul should challenge any of the other candidates to a one on one debate on foreign policy. If they all refuse then he should constantly state that they are afraid of such a debate because all they can do is speak in slogans and are afraid to debate him (possibly mention out of ignorance).

If one of the candidates agrees then Ron Paul should come armed with documents, as well as his knowledge. When debating "why are they coming after us,?" for example, Ron Paul can mention the facts (surveys taken, speeches by Muslim leaders given, CIA conclusions, etc) and after making his point turn over the document(s) (or mention that will do so as soon as the debate ends). Also have additional copies for press and others.

If no one else is interested then surely C-Span would agree to air the debate(s) live.

Ron Paul would crush his opponent. He cannot allow the slogans of his competitor's to stand. He needs to challenge them in detail on foreign policy to show voters who remain ignorant, how suicidal it is to continue our status quo policy. This is really the one issue that is holding him back.

I am sending you this from Europe. Please try and get the attention of Ron Paul and his campaign staff to consider this option.

Thanks

Adam
 
So we may end up getting the most delegates after all... lol, I'd be down for that. Congrats to the campaign if that turns out to be true.
 
Story county may have just given Romney the win. Only one precinct left and we're down there by 1 vote. The votes Romney picked up there on Santorum but him ahead, though.
 
1 county left to count in Story County, 1 vote separating Romney and Paul.
 
boneyard bill said:
We still don't know how New Hampshirites will react to this. They may not be expecting Paul to do anything in Iowa, and he still might get a bounce from this, especially if Romney finishes second
The Republican nomination has never been in the cards. Getting one-on-one with Romney, however, would have been a huge achievement. Ultimately, Ron Paul couldn't convince Iowans that he was an acceptable "not-Romney" alternative. When Gingrich collapsed, his supporters went to Santorum. Don't blame the media. They didn't take the polls.

Santorum is going nowhere. His negatives will soon destroy him. Everyone in Washington knows he's a flake. So come South Carolina, Republicans will still be looking for a "not-Romney" alternative. Paul may get a second chance to get one-on-one with Romney. Gingrich and Santorum will skip New Hampshire and concentrate on South Carolina. But now RP will have to worry about Huntsman in New Hampshire where previously he might have hoped to win over Huntsman supporters.

Remember, however, that nationally Ron Paul has never been looked upon as a contender. Outside of Iowa people haven't been paying much attention. The problem isn't that we lose ground with Iowa. The problem is that we don't gain ground, and we're way behind.

Still, Ron Paul is going to see this through. He will win delegates. He won't win the nomination, but that was never in the cards. He WILL be invited to speak at the GOP convention this year. There WILL be attempts to win his endorsement, and to win over Ron Paul supporters. Ron Paul organizers around the country WILL be recruited by Congressmen seeking re-election. All of these things will come at a price. The only question is just how much the campaign will influence these decisions and that can't actually be answered yet because the campaign is not finished.

Meanwhile, we shouldn't want Ron Paul to become president. The economy is going to tank again, and probably not before the election. The last thing we need is for Ron Paul to become president and then get blamed for tanking the economy. This country is headed downhill financially, economically, and diplomatically. These campaigns aren't about preventing it. It's too late for that. These campaigns are about who is going to pick up the pieces. We're going to collapse just like the Soviet Union did, and we don't want an authoritarian solution to the problems that arise from it. That is why Ron Paul's movement is still so important.
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Keep your defeatist attitude about the nomination. We have no idea what is 'in the cards'.
 
Romney back in the lead, Story County just came in. Romney took it by 1 vote over Paul. (Tho there is 1 precinct left, so it *could* flip).
 
How did we lose Polk county?
How did we tie with Romney in Story county?

Especially the latter is extremely puzzling...
 
I'm pretty new here but, I think we all should be pretty happy tonight. 2 delegates out of 1st place? Hell yeah huge win. :D
 
I will continue to fight for Ron Paul.

At first I am disappointed. Now I am pissed. I can't believe that Rick Santorum came in second or won the caucus. This guy has no substance in his stance or position whatsoever. Something is really fishy. After watching CSPAN and hearing the opinions of callers, I have come to the belief that there is a lot of misunderstanding of Ron Paul's positions out there. This is mostly caused by the media's bias and intentional misrepresentation of Ron Paul's views. We need to continue to educate people. We need to have a strategy in communicating and clarifying these misrepresentations and misinformation. Maybe the issues should be broken down in simpler details instead of the generalizations. Or we have to understand the fears that people have by walking in their shoes. Perhaps then we can address their concerns regarding Ron Paul's positions. We have to do something in this respect in order to win new supporters.
 
roderik said:
How did we lose Polk county?
How did we tie with Romney in Story county?

Especially the latter is extremely puzzling...
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there was a video on Briebart TV you might want to watch about how determined the party was that Ron not take this and the various tools of persuasion they had. At caucuses you can horsetrade, and those whose candidates weren't doing well had little incentive to refrain from it.
 
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