In light of Ron's email, Libertarian Party trying to woo Paul supporters

[Thunderbolt]

We've started it in Alaska. Some counties in Wisconsin too, but I can't find the thread.

http://www.eagleforum.org/misc/brochures/precinct-committman.shtml is the name of the game.

It doesn't take millions of dollars, or full time. Precinctmen decide the county, county decides the state, state decides national. It's been working so far in many places.

In my county here, they are really entrenched, and won't be as easy for us to get committeemen as many areas are reporting. We are meeting up in the next few weeks to start working on a plan. I think we missed the chance to get our names on the committeeman list this time around, so we have time to plan and build up.

Check out the sticky at the top about Alaska. That is the plan, those guys are the true revolutionaries and patriots. That is exactly what we need to be doing nationwide.

Getting something done at the local level is admirable. But, they haven't accomplished anything yet. When the state votes in their changes then I will be a believer. Also, you have to change nearly every line of the party. Not sure they will be happy with that. That is a lot of coercing. I am not saying don't try. I am saying I am too old for a twenty year battle because that is how long you are going to have to go meeting every single month to get to positions of real power within the RNC and those people don't want you there. They don't want your small government theme. They want war mongering power.

You may have missed the chance to become a committeeman this time, but I did not. I thought ahead. I have been in this dreadful party for 7 months now. I did it for Ron Paul.

I am in a slightly larger place than Alaska. I live in a big city with a big GOP. They nearly threw me out when I tried to say anything and I was ignored and hissed at and sneered at when I mentioned the Constitution and sticking to it. They instead wanted a resolution of war. I was one. They were many hundreds. Maybe 3 stood with me. Those 3 are gone now. I am alone and not wanted. Soon I will be asked to leave.

But good luck to you. I don't begrudge you the chance.

But back off the Libertarian Party. If we all went there and decided to take action then we would have a party that fits us, the GOP can die from obscurity and we will have a party that can step in and take its place. The GOP is dying right now. The Libertarian party is growing.

 

[Ron LOL]

Time to come home? What a prick.

I'm not a libertarian. I'm a Ron Paul republican.

 

[Fields]

Rock on if you've got the time to do both. I'm a full time worker with long commute, full time student, father and husband.. I have to pick my battles wisely.

Glad to have people like you on board.

You are the one we need to say rock on to. You have a FULL schedule yet give this forum and Dr. Paul all the attention and effort in the world. Thank you.

 

[Fields]

Time to come home? What a prick.

I'm not a libertarian. I'm a Ron Paul republican.

This is EXACTLY how I feel. Although the LP sounds all fine and dandy. Unless you get a mass exodus, it won't work.

 

[ArrestPoliticians]

Tell those selfish LIBERALtarians with their open border policy to shove it. We're taking over. The system calls for 51% of the vote to win, a Libertarian can never achieve that outside of the mainstream parties that MANDATE significant media coverage.

 

[JonathanR]

You are the one we need to say rock on to. You have a FULL schedule yet give this forum and Dr. Paul all the attention and effort in the world. Thank you.

Absolutely!

 

[Russellk30]

Tell those selfish LIBERALtarians with their open border policy to shove it. We're taking over. The system calls for 51% of the vote to win, a Libertarian can never achieve that outside of the mainstream parties that MANDATE significant media coverage.

Thank you God, for you have shown me the light. Alright, everybody get back to posting and let there be no mention of third parties ever again. God himself has spoken and we all know the proper path to take.

I am glad there are so many omnipresent individuals around, for what would I do without the presence of such insight. I would be lost. At least we know that the two party system will forever be present in American politics.

We always knew that the “left right paradigm" forced upon us by the MSM was correct, and now it has been confirmed. God is now pleased. Let us continue are grazing, for the Shepard protects us from all evil.

 

[Thunderbolt]

This is very stupid of a Libertarian Party. Instead of trying to get as many Libertarians for RP as possible, they're trying to break up his already damaged support even more. No wonder they're about to be 40 years old and are still just an irrelevant fringe counterculture instead of a 3rd viable choice.

Well the man you are supporting is a part of that fringe counterculture.

YOU are that irrelevant fringe counterculture. Don't you get it? What do you think the Revolution is? Mainstream?

Christ, talking to you all about libertarianism is about as much fun as talking to the mainstream public about Ron Paul. You are biased and ignorant and refuse to learn anything about the party platform, you just bitch bitch bitch about a group that is fighting for everything you have just learned about this year. Who do you think taught Ron Paul half of what he believes? The Republicans?

I am stunned to see the hatred around here for the Libertarian party. Do you know nothing about what Ron Paul is about? Moreover, most of us took that letter yesterday to mean Ron Paul was giving up in practicality but going on in principle knowing he can't win. The LP party thought he was quitting. So did a lot of people. Bitch at Ron Paul if you don't like what his letter created. He wrote the silly thing.

Then today, his own campaign had to try to explain what he said, and say he didn't mean what he said. Give me a break. Lay off the LP for thinking what we all did, that Ron Paul was quitting. Or was that letter just an experiment in reverse psychology? It sure was the dumbest "let's rally the supporters" letter I have ever seen. And putting it out one day before several contests were held was just genius!

 

[literatim]

At least we know that the two party system will forever be present in American politics..

It will be until one or both of the parties decides to allow other parties to play ball and neither of them are quite willing to give up the power at this time.

Well the man you are supporting is a part of that fringe counterculture.

YOU are that irrelevant fringe counterculture. Don't you get it? What do you think the Revolution is? Mainstream?

Christ, talking to you all about libertarianism is about as much fun as talking to the mainstream public about Ron Paul. You are biased and ignorant and refuse to learn anything about the party platform, you just bitch bitch bitch about a group that is fighting for everything you have just learned about this year. Who do you think taught Ron Paul half of what he believes? The Republicans?

I am stunned to see the hatred around here for the Libertarian party. Do you know nothing about what Ron Paul is about? Moreover, most of us took that letter yesterday to mean Ron Paul was giving up in practicality but going on in principle knowing he can't win. The LP party thought he was quitting. So did a lot of people. Bitch at Ron Paul if you don't like what his letter created. He wrote the silly thing.

Then today, his own campaign had to try to explain what he said, and say he didn't mean what he said. Give me a break. Lay off the LP for thinking what we all did, that Ron Paul was quitting. Or was that letter just an experiment in reverse psychology? It sure was the dumbest "let's rally the supporters" letter I have ever seen. And putting it out one day before several contests were held was just genius!

We haven't been around 40 years and we have already made more progress than the Libertarian Party ever has or ever will.

 

[Shink]

I find this party loyalty crap quite distasteful. We all know the GOP is corrupt, but we also know the LP will never become successful. I am more on the lookout than ever before for phony 'libertarians' hoping to take our political muscle for a ride. I hold no blood pact with any particular party. I just want to do the most possible to advance the cause of liberty. Just support Ron Paul Republicans and become them yourselves if you fancy yourself another Ron Paul.

 

[MsDoodahs]

But back off the Libertarian Party. If we all went there and decided to take action then we would have a party that fits us, the GOP can die from obscurity and we will have a party that can step in and take its place. The GOP is dying right now. The Libertarian party is growing.

The Libertarian Party sent that email attempting to swipe RP supporters, therefore it is not the RP supporters who need to do the backing off, it's the LP who should back off.

We aren't all going to the LP. In fact, I think very few will - especially with the LP sending crap like this to RP folks.

The GOP is dying...and as with broken hearts, there is a LOT more room in a broken one than a whole one.

The GOP is ripe for takeover.

That's what some of us intend to do.

 

[Thunderbolt]

Tell those selfish LIBERALtarians with their open border policy to shove it. We're taking over. The system calls for 51% of the vote to win, a Libertarian can never achieve that outside of the mainstream parties that MANDATE significant media coverage.

Well then tell Ron Paul to shove it too! He is a selfish Libertarian. Right now. He is a member of the Libertarian party. Shall I tell him you want him to shove it?

Do you have any idea who you are supporting?

Ron Paul also has an open border policy as soon as the welfare is gone. Libertarians also want the welfare gone.

Ron Paul writes for one of the most important Libertarian website there is in the world. I am sure he does that because he hates them all as much as you do.

Who are you people? You sure as hell are not Ron Paul supporters. You don't know who that man is, who he supports, what his background is, or where he learned what he learned.

This revolution is doomed to failure if you are all so uninformed of the basis of the Ron Paul message.

How sad for us all.

 

[LibertyEagle]

You have got to be kidding right? Do you know how powerful they are and how many of them there are? Unless you plan on going into politics full time for the next 20 years or so, you don't have much of a prayer. The party does not want to be for small government. The party likes its power. Read the national agenda. It is ugly and evil. They want NATO. They want the war in Iraq.

Unless you have a few million others in your pocket you are not going to affect any more change than you did when tried to get Ron Paul to be the party candidate.

Actually Thunderbolt, the Republican party was changed by Barry Goldwater's presidential run, back in '64. Before that, it was largely consumed by Rockefeller, big government types. So yes, it can be done. With the influx of the ex-Trotskyite neoconservatives to the party, the pendulum has swung back to big government. The movement started by Ron Paul can be the impetus to swing it back the other way. That is, if we decide to do that.

Personally, I'm not too much into "party" politics, as I make my decision on who to vote for, by the person themselves. That said, both parties, Libertarian and Republican, have their pluses and minuses. In my opinion, one thing to keep in mind though, is that disgusting as it is, only Repubs and Dems are allowed in national debates.

 

[Akus]

It will be until one or both of the parties decides to allow other parties to play ball and neither of them are quite willing to give up the power at this time.



We haven't been around 40 years and we have already made more progress than the Libertarian Party ever has or ever will.

Thank you. Shut up, thunderbolt. LP's heart is in the right place, but they can't fight worth shit. They're easily fracturable. Think about atheists and Christians, pro-lifers and choice people, pro-American expansion to the Middle East and anti-that. They want too much too soon. I've outlined elsewhere why they don't have their crap together, but the point still stands and that letter only reinforces it.

 

[Russellk30]

It will be until one or both of the parties decides to allow other parties to play ball and neither of them are quite willing to give up the power at this time.

So anybody that strays from establishment thought and practice will be irrelevant for all time unless the establishment allows them to be otherwise? Under all circumstances? Has there ever or will there ever be an exception? What is your fascination with absolutism?

 

[MsDoodahs]

He is a member of the Libertarian party.

Ron is a REPUBLICAN.

See yesterday's email from Ron himself.

It seems to me that a lot of Libertarians had a dream of riding to glory on GOP coattails - their hopes were dashed because Ron said AGAIN that he is a REPUBLICAN - and now they're angry.

Reminds me of the night Ron went on Beck...

 

[Thunderbolt]

The Libertarian Party sent that email attempting to swipe RP supporters, therefore it is not the RP supporters who need to do the backing off, it's the LP who should back off.

We aren't all going to the LP. In fact, I think very few will - especially with the LP sending crap like this to RP folks.

The GOP is dying...and as with broken hearts, there is a LOT more room in a broken one than a whole one.

The GOP is ripe for takeover.

That's what some of us intend to do.

Yes, that is clear. You moderators on here have squashed anything that has to do with libertarianism for a long time now. You only allow negative threads to stay in the main room and you move anything that is remotely positive. You are clearly GOP supporters and have been from the start. I am not really sure why you ever supported Ron Paul. After all, all libertarian means is a lover of liberty and if you don't like liberty and rail so hard against the one party that kept it alive all these years, the same party that had Ron Paul as its nominee, then I don't know what you are doing here.

It would be nice if you would keep your political agenda to yourself and let the board make its own decision, instead of using your power to move threads and change titles, and destroy conversations to quash anything remotely intelligent when it comes to discussing libertarianism, the Libertarian Party or the libertarian message.

If you had allowed equal time for both messages I would not be complaining, but you don't. You have framed the debate for a long time now and this forum is suffering for it. Why not allow the free market of ideas to determine what the people want, or is that not allowed?

You have the power, we don't, so you get to wield it and turn this board into whatever political group you want it to be. You can ban all libertarians, move all libertarian threads, and allow anti-libertarian threads only. You have a lot of power.

I am ashamed of the way you are using it.

 

[literatim]

Well then tell Ron Paul to shove it too! He is a selfish Libertarian. Right now. He is a member of the Libertarian party. Shall I tell him you want him to shove it?

He is such a great Libertarian that he ran in Congress 10 times as Libertarian... Oh wait, no he didn't.

Ron Paul also has an open border policy as soon as the welfare is gone. Libertarians also want the welfare gone.

Oh yeah? Show me that statement.

Ron Paul writes for one of the most important Libertarian website there is in the world. I am sure he does that because he hates them all as much as you do.

Who are you people? You sure as hell are not Ron Paul supporters. You don't know who that man is, who he supports, what his background is, or where he learned what he learned.

This revolution is doomed to failure if you are all so uninformed of the basis of the Ron Paul message.

How sad for us all.

I know him quite well. I also know he isn't quite the libertarian you make him out to be. For example, Ron Paul would ban prostitution if he was a local legislator.

 

[Russellk30]

Actually Thunderbolt, the Republican party was changed by Barry Goldwater's presidential run, back in '64. Before that, it was largely consumed by Rockefeller, big government types. So yes, it can be done.

Personally, I'm not too much into "party" politics, as I make my decision on who to vote for, by the person themselves. That said, both parties, Libertarian and Republican, have their pluses and minuses. In my opinion, one thing to keep in mind though, is that disgusting as it is, only Repubs and Dems are allowed in national debates.

What exactly did the goldwater revolution accomplish. Was the size of government ever reduced? In any year after his nomination? It seems that the big government types never really lost control of the party.

 

[literatim]

What exactly did the goldwater revolution accomplish. Was the size of government ever reduced? In any year after his nomination? It seems that the big government types never really lost control of the party.

They got Reagan in who then systematically took down all of the hard work.