In light of Ron's email, Libertarian Party trying to woo Paul supporters

[LibertyEagle]

Well then tell Ron Paul to shove it too! He is a selfish Libertarian. Right now. He is a member of the Libertarian party. Shall I tell him you want him to shove it?

Do you have any idea who you are supporting?

Ron Paul also has an open border policy as soon as the welfare is gone. Libertarians also want the welfare gone.

Ron Paul writes for one of the most important Libertarian website there is in the world. I am sure he does that because he hates them all as much as you do.

Who are you people? You sure as hell are not Ron Paul supporters. You don't know who that man is, who he supports, what his background is, or where he learned what he learned.

This revolution is doomed to failure if you are all so uninformed of the basis of the Ron Paul message.

How sad for us all.

Libertarians don't have the market on liberty. Traditional conservatives (aka libertarian-conservatives) have been singing that song for decades.

It seems to me that you are attempting to divide up the Ron Paul supporters into categories. One does not need to join the Libertarian party to be dedicated to this movement. Nor, is it necessary that they remain Republican. What does matter is our principles.

By the way, Ron Paul has been a Republican for at least 35 years that I know of.

 

[Thunderbolt]

He is such a great Libertarian that he ran in Congress 10 times as Libertarian... Oh wait, no he didn't.


He is a libertarian right now.



Oh yeah? Show me that statement.

Watch the debates. He explains that without the welfare we wouldn't need to worry about the borders and we wouldn't be making scapegoats (as you are) of the illegal aliens because we would need their labor.



I know him quite well. I also know he isn't quite the libertarian you make him out to be. For example, Ron Paul would ban prostitution if he was a local legislator.

Nobody's perfect.

 

[literatim]

Ron Paul is a constitutionalist. People need to learn the difference between that and a Libertarian.

By the way, Ron Paul has been a Republican for at least 35 years that I know of.

Ron Paul comes from a Republican family.

 

[Russellk30]

Ron Paul has stated on many occasions that if it were not for the bad economy that we would not even have a problem with immigration and that he would greatly increase the amount of legal immigration. There are sources all over the Internet, just google if you’re doubtful. Read some of his essays over at Rockwell also.
Ron Paul is a much more of a libertarian at the national level than he would be at the local level, but there are many in the Libertarian Party that think the same way. It is better to have the Federal government out of all social issues no matter the case. Libertarianism is not set in stone.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Yes, that is clear. You moderators on here have squashed anything that has to do with libertarianism for a long time now. You only allow negative threads to stay in the main room and you move anything that is remotely positive. You are clearly GOP supporters and have been from the start. I am not really sure why you ever supported Ron Paul. After all, all libertarian means is a lover of liberty and if you don't like liberty and rail so hard against the one party that kept it alive all these years, the same party that had Ron Paul as its nominee, then I don't know what you are doing here.

It would be nice if you would keep your political agenda to yourself and let the board make its own decision, instead of using your power to move threads and change titles, and destroy conversations to quash anything remotely intelligent when it comes to discussing libertarianism, the Libertarian Party or the libertarian message.

If you had allowed equal time for both messages I would not be complaining, but you don't. You have framed the debate for a long time now and this forum is suffering for it. Why not allow the free market of ideas to determine what the people want, or is that not allowed?

You have the power, we don't, so you get to wield it and turn this board into whatever political group you want it to be. You can ban all libertarians, move all libertarian threads, and allow anti-libertarian threads only. You have a lot of power.

I am ashamed of the way you are using it.

Thunderbolt, or Jennifer, whichever it is, threads such as this one, whose sole intent is to recruit members to a political party, have nothing to do with the purpose of Grassroots Central. That is why it was moved, just like a similar thread was moved the other day on the Republican party. The Moderators are far from perfect, but we do our best to be fair.

As far as you saying that we do not allow threads about libertarianism to be in Grassroots Central, are you honestly going to sit here and state that discussions about individual liberty are not allowed in GC or on the board? Nothing could be further than the truth. If they are constructive threads dealing with getting Ron Paul elected, they certainly deserve to be on GC. If however they are issue threads that do not relate to grassroots action toward the election, then they most likely are moved to the appropriate subforum.

Look, I realize that sometimes it's tough to see a thread you started, moved, but if we don't try to keep some semblance of organization on the forum, no one could find anything and the threads would be flying so fast off of the front page of Grassroots Central, that no one would be able to keep up. The admins have done their best to layout this forum, with all its various subforums. But, if any of you guys have a better idea, then I'm sure they'll be more than happy to hear your suggestions. There's a subforum for suggestions too and it's right here, "Forum Feedback and Ideas": http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=193

You are clearly GOP supporters and have been from the start. I am not really sure why you ever supported Ron Paul.

As far as this comment goes, since I live in Texas, there is no reason for me to belong to a political party, so I do not. I am an Independent. With regard to Ron Paul, I am a 2nd generation supporter. I personally have supported him for over 25 years and I do so, because of his voting record and strong stance for the Constitution and individual liberty. Liberty, by the way, is not a concept reserved to the Libertarian party, or any party for that matter.

 

[Russellk30]

Moderator!!!

Thunderbolt, or Jennifer, whichever it is, threads such as this one, whose sole intent is to recruit members to a political party, have nothing to do with the purpose of Grassroots Central. That is why it was moved, just like a similar thread was moved the other day on the Republican party. The Moderators are far from perfect, but we do our best to be fair.

As far as you saying that we do not allow threads about libertarianism to be in Grassroots Central, are you honestly going to sit here and state that discussions about individual liberty are not allowed in GC or on the board? Nothing could be further than the truth. If they are constructive threads dealing with getting Ron Paul elected, they certainly deserve to be on GC. If however they are issue threads that do not relate to grassroots action toward the election, then they most likely are moved to the appropriate subforum.

Look, I realize that sometimes it's tough to see a thread you started, moved, but if we don't try to keep some semblance of organization on the forum, no one could find anything and the threads would be flying so fast off of the front page of Grassroots Central, that no one would be able to keep up. The admins have done their best to layout this forum, with all its various subforums. But, if any of you guys have a better idea, then I'm sure they'll be more than happy to hear your suggestions. There's a subforum for suggestions too and it's right here, "Forum Feedback and Ideas": http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=193

Though I do have to agree that this forum has been moslty fair, I think its kind of funny that in the sticky section of grassroots there is a thread titled "Take Over the GOP! Join the Republican Liberty Caucus, Ron Paul is a Member!" This has nothing to do with getting RP elected president! I am going to start a thread and replace Republican with Libertarian and see how far it gets. Ron Paul is a member of the Libertarian Party after all.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well Russell, you might have a point there about the Liberty Caucus, although it's not the same thing as the Republican party. Point taken though and you're right. I'll unstick it and move it, right now.

 

[tommyzDad]

If they've such a hard-on for spreading the Liberterian message, then they should join us!! "Come into the light, LP!"

 

[gte811i]

It is completely possible to turn the Republican party around, there are many examples. I'd be willing to bet money that before say 1890 most of us would have joined/voted the Democratic Party, yes before 1890 the Democratic party was the party of small government, sound money, keep the federal government out of peoples lives. The switch came very quickly. Look at the neo-cons, mostly they were liberals that then joined the republican party and took it over almost over-night.

My personal opinion, if running for office, stay Republican, when voting, vote whichever is more constitutional.

The only a couple of instances exist where a third-party is realistically viable. 1) A massive landslide by either major party, thus turning the it into a one-party system, making one party almost irrelevant and thus making a third-party more viable. 2) At the presidential level a massive dislike between the two parties (a situation like '92). This election I believe a McCain, Clinton election would set the stage for a third-party run. However, for this to happen the person running has to have lots of money, and the 25-30 mill. for Paul ain't gonna cut it. He would need something like 500 million+. Not that I like Bloomberg, but a McCain, Clinton race would help Bloomberg. With an Obama, McCain race, forget third-party no chance at winning.

Perot almost did it in '92, but he had a lot of money, and a lot of support. If fact, I would argue that his run in '92 set the stage for the Republican Revolution in '94. The republicans saw the desire of the people and changed their party. I do honestly believe if he hadn't pulled out and then back in-he would come close to winning and would have won states.

 

[jm1776]

Well Russell, you might have a point there about the Liberty Caucus, although it's not the same thing as the Republican party. Point taken though and you're right. I'll unstick it and move it, right now.

Please no!

The Republican Liberty Caucus is, can be, should be the interface between Ron Paul Republicans and the Libertarian Party. My personal choice is changing the GOP by showing up. At the same time I respect the opinions of my Libertarian friends who want no part of it. Let's make the Republican Liberty Caucus where we both meet to organize support for Freedom candidates regardless of Party.