In light of Ron's email, Libertarian Party trying to woo Paul supporters

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Ugh. This sucks. Yet someone else who completely disregards the fact that Ron never said he was quitting.

In light of Ron's email, Libertarian Party trying to woo Paul supporters to their "camp." I'm not saying anyone should do what they ask -- I'm waiting till the Convention before I decide anything -- but in any case, I found this e-mail that I received from the Libertarian party interesting (albeit a bit whiney and shameful at the same time).

I really hope nobody in states yet to caucus/primary gets this and switches before the do so :mad:

February 9, 2008

FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY:

Dear friend,

Late Friday evening, Ron Paul sent out a message to his many supporters stating that he had a "nearly zero" chance of winning the Republican nomination in a brokered convention. Dr. Paul also stated loud and clear that "there will be no third party run."

Many of our own members, maybe even you, have been enthusiastic supporters of Dr. Paul's campaign over the past year. Many thousands have given their time, money and their passion to support the efforts of Ron Paul's presidential campaign.

The efforts of these thousands of supporters were noble, but in the end, Republicans rejected Dr. Paul's message of peace, prosperity and freedom.

The GOP will more than likely move forward with the nomination of a compromising politician who does not cherish the merits of liberty and shows little interest in shrinking the size and power of government.

This leaves the Republican Party right where it started and where it has been for many, many years -- a party without principle. With its partner on the left, both parties continue to represent a compromising beast that continually thirsts for more power at the expense of our liberty, our property and our privacy.

In stark contrast, the Libertarian Party stands firm. Our values are unwavering. Our commitment is unstoppable.

This is not because we hold a strong partisan loyalty to our party structure, it's because we have trust and love for liberty in its purest form. Our party serves as the vessel to affect change within our nation. And unlike the GOP, we don't need to change the party from within and regain our principles, as they have never been lost.

The Libertarian Party is the last remaining stronghold for liberty in American politics.

Unfortunately, the Ron Paul campaign has unintentionally taken a toll on our party. Many of our members have changed their voter registration to vote for Ron Paul in a primary while others have allowed their support to lapse as they gave all that they could for a candidate that represented their values.

Early on, I made the decision to not interfere or discourage this activity. I felt it was wrong for me to place our party above such an incredible opportunity for liberty that existed with Dr. Paul's run for the White House.

But today, it's time to come home.

If you have switched your party registration, allowed your membership to lapse or have put off your decision to join the LP, I now ask that you reverse course and renew your support for our principled party.

In spite of the events of this past year, we were still able to make significant gains in membership with a 28 percent increase while we moved onto a firm financial footing. We did this while seeing inspiring electoral success by winning 20 percent of our races.

This proves that Americans are waking up to liberty and a historic opportunity for growth exists for the LP in 2008. However, in order to take advantage of this time, we need every last man and woman back in our party.

It's time to come home.

Liberty is alive in America today but it is suppressed by the significance and power of the two-party system. Partisanship, combined with ignorance, is destroying our nation by taking away our freedoms and even the lives of those we love through wars of aggression.

The two-party system must be beaten back and destroyed.

Fighting from within either the Republican or Democratic structure does nothing to accomplish this goal and only increases our many problems as time, energy and money is wasted to change a monstrosity that is corrupt beyond repair.

Why fight to move your own party in the direction of freedom when you can fight each day to move your nation in the direction of freedom?

It's time to come home.

Liberty is something that can be everything to one man and nothing to another. Some accept that, while they are born free, they do not live free. They go about their existence either in resignation that they cannot change their personal destiny or they have grown comfortable in their shackles.

Libertarians are different.

Our hearts burn for freedom. We wake each morning, intent on moving our nation in the direction of liberty.

Our passion cannot be diminished or compromised through party labels or the actions of cunning men. Libertarians working through the Libertarian Party will continually challenge those who mean to enslave us through taxation, fear and warfare.

It's time to come home.

Among the many opportunities that exist for our movement, one of the most important is reaching out to the thousands of men and women whose passions have been ignited by the Ron Paul campaign.

All Libertarians must put out a welcome mat to these Americans as they continue to learn more about liberty but are now politically homeless. Most importantly, we must tolerate the minor differences that we may have and accept the differing stages of development of our political thought.

Many of you will be receiving a letter in the mail with the intent of welcoming Ron Paul and his supporters into our party. While that letter was written before the rush of recent events, it is vital that you respond to signal your support for giving these supporters a home within our party.

It's time to come home and to offer a home to those whose minds have been opened to liberty.

Take action today:

To renew your membership, go to www.lp.org/renew

To join the Libertarian Party, go to www.lp.org/join

To donate, go to www.lp.org/donate

To change your voter registration to Libertarian, contact your state party, by visiting www.lp.org/states

Also, do not hesitate to contact me or any other member of our staff by calling 1-800-Elect-Us.

Please take action after you finish reading this message.

In closing, I would like to give the following words to those who stubbornly continue their fight to change the corrupt and destructive Republican or Democrat parties from within.

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." – Samuel Adams, 1776

Our founding fathers did not hope to change the tyranny of British rule from within. They faced their challenge head on. They did not waver, even in spite of the very real possibility that they would lose their very lives against an overwhelming power. They stood together, and eventually they won their freedom.

It is up to us -- we passionate Libertarians -- to reclaim our liberty.

With respect and sincerity,

Shane Cory
Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee
 
The Libertarian Party is solely for the advancement of the party itself and cares nothing for America. There is a reason why many broke away from it.
 
The Libertarian party speaks the truth...I will vote RP in my primary...and then reregister to fight evil...the Republican party is washed up...you all know it is...to many neocons have inflitrated it. I am in for RP long haul...but will show my displeasure to my party by registering Libertarian after my primary!
 
The Libertarian Party is solely for the advancement of the party itself and cares nothing for America. There is a reason why many broke away from it.

I have noticed this too.

I also think our best bet, like Dr Paul, is staying with the GOP and taking it over from the roots. It would be alot more work to build the Libertarian party up to a viable party than it would be to just take the GOP and use the existing infrastructure. If we get moving on this, we can have many more candidates with our beliefs running in 2010/2012 (If it's not too late by then).
 
I will take a good look at them in March.

Excellent idea. Here is there party motto:

Libertarians believe the answer to America's political problems is the same commitment to freedom that earned America its greatness: a free-market economy and the abundance and prosperity it brings; a dedication to civil liberties and personal freedom that marks this country above all others; and a foreign policy of non-intervention, peace, and free trade as prescribed by America's founders."

Here is the website: http://www.lp.org/issues/issues.shtml

But wait until after you vote for Ron Paul.
 
I have noticed this too.

I also think our best bet, like Dr Paul, is staying with the GOP and taking it over from the roots. It would be alot more work to build the Libertarian party up to a viable party than it would be to just take the GOP and use the existing infrastructure. If we get moving on this, we can have many more candidates with our beliefs running in 2010/2012 (If it's not too late by then).

You have got to be kidding right? Do you know how powerful they are and how many of them there are? Unless you plan on going into politics full time for the next 20 years or so, you don't have much of a prayer. The party does not want to be for small government. The party likes its power. Read the national agenda. It is ugly and evil. They want NATO. They want the war in Iraq.

Unless you have a few million others in your pocket you are not going to affect any more change than you did when tried to get Ron Paul to be the party candidate.
 
LP not serious about elections

While I have much in common with the LP, they're loaded down with a lot of bad public relations baggage, and, what's worse, they've never shown themselves to be serious about winning elections. They're more of a debating society than anything else.

I think we need a fresh new start with a new approach to building a third party, primarily by learning from the mistakes of past efforts.

Check out the American Freedom Party. The idea has been sort of back-burnered during this Ron Paul GOP run, but it wouldn't take many people to get it off the ground. I think there are going to be a whole lot of people looking for alternatives before much longer. America under McCain or Clinton will not be pretty.

http://americanfreedomparty.blogspot.com

Preamble

The American Freedom Party is a 21st Century effort to revive the revolutionary vision and founding principles that first made the United States of America possible, and later allowed it to become freedom's shining city on a hill, a beacon of hope for all mankind.

Over time, the original vision of America's founders has been lost. It has been systematically supplanted by special interests and corrupt politicians who have abused the public trust and have overthrown the Constitution's plan for limited government in favor of consolidating power in Washington D.C. Political agendas have crept into the halls of justice. Irresponsible fiscal policy has swelled our country's debt to astronomical heights and threatens to bring our economy crashing down around us. Interventionist foreign policies have unnecessarily spilled our dearest blood and treasure all across the planet. America's prestige throughout the world has faltered. Political debate at home has become increasingly more strident. Unelected bureaucrats are coming to control the smallest details of our everyday lives. Onerous taxes and regulations are driving American businesses and jobs overseas. Families struggle more to get by on less as prices rise. We no longer see our way clearly into the future.

The time has come for change, for a new renaissance of freedom and opportunity. The American Freedom Party hopes to lead the way by restoring our country's most beloved ideals to the halls of government, and by removing every obstacle that stands in the way of individual Americans pursuing their happiness and rising to the heights of their potential.
 
You have got to be kidding right? Do you know how powerful they are and how many of them there are? Unless you plan on going into politics full time for the next 20 years or so, you don't have much of a prayer. The party does not want to be for small government. The party likes its power. Read the national agenda. It is ugly and evil. They want NATO. They want the war in Iraq.

Unless you have a few million others in your pocket you are not going to affect any more change than you did when tried to get Ron Paul to be the party candidate.

We've started it in Alaska. Some counties in Wisconsin too, but I can't find the thread.

http://www.eagleforum.org/misc/brochures/precinct-committman.shtml is the name of the game.

It doesn't take millions of dollars, or full time. Precinctmen decide the county, county decides the state, state decides national. It's been working so far in many places.

In my county here, they are really entrenched, and won't be as easy for us to get committeemen as many areas are reporting. We are meeting up in the next few weeks to start working on a plan. I think we missed the chance to get our names on the committeeman list this time around, so we have time to plan and build up.

Check out the sticky at the top about Alaska. That is the plan, those guys are the true revolutionaries and patriots. That is exactly what we need to be doing nationwide.
 
I'm fortunate to live in a state where we do not have to register with any party. I can (and will) continue to support the LP and work to change the GOP.
 
I'm fortunate to live in a state where we do not have to register with any party. I can (and will) continue to support the LP and work to change the GOP.

Rock on if you've got the time to do both. I'm a full time worker with long commute, full time student, father and husband.. I have to pick my battles wisely.

Glad to have people like you on board.
 
Fill the power vacuum--take over the GOP

See below:

That's right...

Today we held our local district conventions and selected our delegates to the State convention in Alaska. We turned out the Paulites! Not only did we get a clear majority of delegates to the state (we were very organized and completely stealthy in this - it was like a surprise attack by Ron Paul), but listen to this...

While we were there we voted on platform changes for the state GOP. You will not believe some of the stuff that passed!

The most controversial one was the one that I proposed. There was a section in the platform that said the Republican Party of Alaska opposes any sort of gaming (gambling) in the state on the basis that it is harmful to families and communities. I proposed striking that out entirely, from the standpoint of personal and economic liberty, and after huge debate and three recounts my movement PASSED by ONE VOTE! So now that its passed the local level, it'll go on to state!

Guess what else?

Another Ron Paul supporter proposed striking out and replacing a section that said something to the effect of: "The Republican Party of Alaska supports the aggressive world wide war on terror and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan." The replacement that PASSED read something like: "We will not support military intervention in a foreign country unless a constitutional, congressional declaration of war is made." How HUGE is that?

And perhaps the craziest win of the day, in my opinion, was when we passed a movement to change the party platform to read that we, as Republicans, support the legalization of industrial hemp. LOL!

Lots of other awesome platform changes passed, having to do with state's rights, educational choice, and immigration. Everything was in line with the Ron Paul platform, and pretty Libertarian sounding!

The other conventions that took place elsewhere today and earlier in the week have also reported high numbers of Ron Paul delegates to the state convention, and similar interesting successes at their local level. It really looks to me like we can go to the state convention and ENACT some extremely controversial party platform changes! It would be so great to see the neo-cons have to run independent for failing to endorse the Republican Party platform, and so great to see them squirm in terror when they realize that RON PAUL has TAKEN OVER THEIR PARTY!

Anyway... I just had to share this! :D
 
I wish it were going to be that easy for us here. We seem to be the exception locally instead of the rule. Too bad it's not the Democrat party we are trying to take over, we'd have it in a day here.

Our County GOP runs a full slate of precinct committeemen just to stop this from happening. Any slots that go unfilled for election, they fill with appointees from out of precinct just to fill the slot so nobody can claim it. Since most folks don't realize the power of local politics, it is pretty easy for them to do so from what I've seen.

We're going to have to come in with a pretty big slate of committeemen wannabes to make an impact here. To actually get the majority vote, we're actually going to have to take the majority. We have about 1-2 years for planning, so we think we can do it. Just need to start taking the momentum from the presidential campaign here and move onward.

It could get ugly here, but we're ready to get our hands dirty. Wish us luck.
 
The Libertarian Party is solely for the advancement of the party itself and cares nothing for America. There is a reason why many broke away from it.

Hmmm....Are you sure your not describing the Republican Party? To argue that the Libertarian Party has lost its way is kind of ironic coming from a Republican. Be wary of those that speak often of absolutes, for their motivations are questionable.

I found out about the Libertarian Party because of Ron Paul, and for that (and many other reasons) I thank Him. Even if one is a life long Republican, it would be difficult to deny the wisdom of multiple sustainable political parties. In a two party system, who is one to choose when crazy has infiltrated both camps?
 
This is very stupid of a Libertarian Party. Instead of trying to get as many Libertarians for RP as possible, they're trying to break up his already damaged support even more. No wonder they're about to be 40 years old and are still just an irrelevant fringe counterculture instead of a 3rd viable choice.
 
I agree... I am disappointed in the Libertarian Party for doing this.

I still think we should make our own party ^_^
 
We've started it in Alaska. Some counties in Wisconsin too, but I can't find the thread.

http://www.eagleforum.org/misc/brochures/precinct-committman.shtml is the name of the game.

It doesn't take millions of dollars, or full time. Precinctmen decide the county, county decides the state, state decides national. It's been working so far in many places.

In my county here, they are really entrenched, and won't be as easy for us to get committeemen as many areas are reporting. We are meeting up in the next few weeks to start working on a plan. I think we missed the chance to get our names on the committeeman list this time around, so we have time to plan and build up.

Check out the sticky at the top about Alaska. That is the plan, those guys are the true revolutionaries and patriots. That is exactly what we need to be doing nationwide.


Precinct leaders do not choose the nominee. Even though many of the precinct leaders were not Ron Paul supporters, we were still able to vote for him. The only effect the local party can have is to convince people to vote for their candidate, or as we have seen, use underhanded techniques for the good of their candidate.

For the most part, the national party and the media choose the candidates. Fred Thompson had huge local GOP support, but that didn’t get him anywhere.

I will admit that the GOP can be reformed, but don’t plan on it being easy and do plan on it taking decades.
 
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