Idea On How You Recruit Arabs To Rp

[Nefertiti]

One more thing...they are a little touchy about illegals being deported. So if it comes up, stress that although RP opposes amnesty and illegal immigration....he does not favor deportation (except for criminals)..

Don't paint all Arabs/Muslims with the same brush over immigration like people do with Hispanics. In both cases there are people who are firmly opposed to amnesty and illegal immigration. It is those who were here illegally that have put the Arabs and Muslims in such a bind these days and law-abiding Arabs and Muslims don't like that there are non-law abiding ones here making trouble for the rest. Also, the vast majority of people here illegally are from Mexico and some Arabs and Muslims are right there with the mainstream on denying them amnesty.

 

[Nefertiti]

What do you consider relevent?

1% is 1%, we are polling at 2% to 3% right now, that would be an increase of 33%.

Plus I would bet (this is not scientific) that the average Muslim is way more wealthy than the average American, and saves more than the average American. On top of that they are highly networked. (All of this is from experience) there are 6 million Muslims in the US, do you know what kind of fund raising that is? If the Muslim community got behind RP and donated you could see fund raising skyrocket.

Just my thoughts, I already have plans to go after this demographic, I will keep you updated.

-Dustan

Yes, Arabs at least are more wealthy and more educated than the general population. Lebanese are the wealthiest group of the Arabs, and Egyptians are the most highly educated (of ANY ethnic group in the US-2/3 have a college degree versus about 28% of the general population). This comes from US census data. I don't know about Muslims from non-Arab countries though.

However, the fact that campaign donations are public record and that in some places like Iowa they have a caucus system where your vote is NOT a private matter, it may be a harder sell than you expect.

 

[Nefertiti]

I'm really afraid we'll be so busy chasing Allah vote, we'll lose Jesus vote in progress. And believe me, Jesus vote is infinitely more relevant. Have you seen the recent cover of Newsweek?

Akus-"Allah" simply means "God" in Arabic. It is the term used by Christians, Jews and Muslims who speak Arabic to refer to "God."

 

[Nefertiti]

Seems the best bet is to simply say, "RP STRONGLY advocates COMPLETELY stopping all US government foreign aid to ANY nation. That would mean no more taxpayer money goes to Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Palestine, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, etc., etc., etc. EVER AGAIN.

I would tweak that a bit to say "Ron Paul strongly advocates stopping all US government foreign aid to Israel or any other nation."

It must be worded this way because Israel is something almost all will agree on and also a good number will also be supportive of stopping aid to the countries from which they come because they feel it props up unwanted regimes. However, there may be some who feel aid to their own home countries is a good thing and so you want to leave the remainder of the countries off the list and let the people who read it do their own thinking. Those who wish to see aid cut off to other countries will understand that it will be and for those who don't want to see it cut off Israel will jump out at them and the "any other nation" won't put them off too much.

 

[ButchHowdy]

Akus-"Allah" simply means "God" in Arabic. It is the term used by Christians, Jews and Muslims who speak Arabic to refer to "God."

The word God comes from the Germanic 'gut' for good

Anyway, my 2 cents is that we keep the letter somewhat tamer than the original. Ixnay the ionistZay but keep the Neocon.

Ron Paul knows all too well the Zionist agenda but expertly moves the conversation towards Saudi Arabia whenever confronted about [the land mass called] Israel.

 

[Bradley in DC]

Trust me guys! vague generalities about "opposed to ALL foreign aid" and opposed to "interventionism" will not cut it!

Do not be afraid to use the word "Israel" and "Israeli lobby"...or you will smell like another mealy mouthed politician to them....

Again...RP is going to be smeared big time as an "enemy of Israel" and a "closet anti-semite" anyway...

so we might as well get mileage out of the arabs community by doing it right. God...I understand we have to play the game to a certain extant....but stop living in fear of the media...their power derives solely from our fear of them

Okay, perhaps, but calling Dr. Paul "crazy" isn't particulary helpful.

 

[Bradley in DC]

I agree the re-write is stronger but I'd add about Dr. Paul and individual rights, not group rights. Perhaps also the quotation from Michael Scheuer at Educating Rudy how Dr. Paul is the only candidate of the eight Ds and ten Rs running for president that understands the terrorism problem.

 

[Bradley in DC]

I'm sorry, that was most certainly offensive. But just like you think making that slogan for Ron Paul is absurd, I think it's absurd that we should approach an Arab crew.

They're irrelevant, if they were relevant, Rudy would be all over their you know what. So would Hillary.
This message board doesn't have any PR experts, I gather. Not to make it look like I am one, but come one, it's like we're actually helping our detractors.

First, RP says we deserved 9/11 (he didn't but it will be spun that way)
Now, he's trying to approach Arabs (All Arabs /= Moslems, but to whitebread America, that don't mean squat) by promising to cut off any help to Israel nation. Remember, we need to support them because God will get angry if we don't.

In a way, it was unnecesarilly offensive.
In a way, though, it was offensive on purpose to bring the point across, to e-smack the thread starter and wake him up.

We should approach Arabs, and Jews, and everyone else with the Freedom Philosophy. We just need to be careful that we're promoting Dr. Paul's agenda.

 

[rich34]

Just my opinion, but Max if I were you I'd give up on this idea. We don't need to target arabs specificially we need to target everybody. This is the kind of negative stuff the msm is looking for. You very well could be opposition for all we know.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I have no problem with reaching out to Muslims, or anyone else. I think it's only smart to do that. But, I absolutely do not agree with twisting Dr. Paul's words to make him gain favor from any particular group.

Remember that Dr. Paul doesn't look at people as groups anyway, but as individuals.

 

[Man from La Mancha]

Coming late to this thread, and not to be critical, but...



Whatever this flyer reads, it should be in English. As Americans, with the ability to vote, they should be proficient in English as required for citizenship.

As having Vietnamese friends that are US citizens that do know English enough to pass their citizenship test and communicate but they naturally understand the most in their native language.

 

[Nefertiti]

I think some important clarifications are in order here just so people understand what we are talking about. This may something some of you already know but I think it doesn't hurt to mention it.

Most Arabs in this country are Christians (there are even Arab Jews-like Paula Abdul). Most Muslims in this country are not Arab. Many in both groups were born here in the US, not abroad. I do think they all share a lot in terms of what is important politically but there are also differences due to these religious/ethnic/place of origin differences and one needs to keep that in mind.

And also another note is that Nation of Islam are not considered Muslims by non-Nation of Islam Muslims. And also another misconception that needs to be cleared is that there are many more mainstream African American Muslims than there are African American members of the Nation of Islam.

 

[Nefertiti]

As having Vietnamese friends that are US citizens that do know English enough to pass their citizenship test and communicate but they naturally understand the most in their native language.

Don't forget we have up to 20% native born Americans who are functionally illiterate so regardless of their place of origin we will make the biggest inroads for RP by communicating by whatever means (orally or written) that will reach the most citizens.

And I should add, following on what I said above. Not all Muslims in the US speak the same language. The major languages for those not born here will be Arabic, Farsi or Urdu, with lesser numbers speaking other languages. Many Muslims and Arabs speak only English. You are going to reach the most with English. Almost all will speak it and most will read it-the only ones who won't be able to read it are likely those who are illiterate in their native language and the number of those will be small.

 

[Nefertiti]

Here's a challenge for you-How to reach out to Jews? It doesn't hurt to get their vote too and certainly not all of them subscribe to a Zionist agenda or Israeli policies.

 

[Dustancostine]

Believe it or not. I think you can reach out to Jews in the same way. The US is going to stop meddling and allow Israel to defend itself how it sees fit. But we aren't going to provide any more money.

 

[BIG_J]

Because we will be giving Isreal no more money; she won't be tied to American Policy; Consequently, she will finally be free to do whatever is in her best interest to protect herself; regardless, of how the US "Feels" about it.

 

[sweetmusicj]

Ok, I did a search for Maronite Forums (Lebanese Catholics). Here is one that is an active plain old Lebanese forum. Could someone here that is more experienced in RP's policies and maybe even Arab culture post the message of RP there?

I think it'd be a good idea.

http://www.lebanese-forces.org/vbullet/index.php

I'll keep looking for more.

Nathan

 

[DeadheadForPaul]

Just my opinion, but Max if I were you I'd give up on this idea. We don't need to target arabs specificially we need to target everybody. This is the kind of negative stuff the msm is looking for. You very well could be opposition for all we know.

I agree, I feel like it is unneccesary to do this. Dr. Paul's message has been getting out

 

[Dustancostine]

You clearly don't understand the Muslim network. It would be like saying we shouldn't promote RP on the internet because we should focus on everyone, not just people who use the internet. Or we shouldn't promote RP to Libertarians because we should focus on everyone.

This is ridiculous.

The way you target people is by finding them, and finding them in large groups helps.

Whether it is Churches, Mosques, PACs, Schools, VFWs, Political Parites, Neighborhoods, whatever.

Good Job Max!!!!

 

[PennCustom4RP]

As having Vietnamese friends that are US citizens that do know English enough to pass their citizenship test and communicate but they naturally understand the most in their native language.

I understand completely what you are saying...but where do you begin, and end? Do you print literature in X number of languages to be inclusive of everyone? Do you send the flyer out with someone who knows sign language for the deaf, or with flash cards for the illiterate? When RP speaks, does the audience have an earbud in, getting translation of what hes saying? The umpteen versions of Govt forms in many languages is what adds to Big Govt. English is the language of assimilation for the American citizen.
Not arguing, just looking at it from a practical perspective.